Elizabeth Wurtzel (prozac nation) is dead at 52.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Her first book made a lot of “literary” waves (both by being loved and hated), and paved the way for similar memoirs, including many by black women (Roxane Gay is a clear descendant). People of any race who are into that world would have been aware of it, but if you’re not big into navel-gazing literary controversies it easily could have passed you by.

I think what triggered me was that the reviews suggested that she had such an impact on Gen X. I went to a women’s college and so that’s why I was really curious as a black woman. This is been so intriguing to me that I called a girlfriend who is also black. She had the same reaction that I did. I told her I was calling her because she was black and went to Harvard so maybe she had a different perspective. She didn’t. We have the same perspective. We laughed about it.

Again, she clearly paved the way for a certain kind of work or voice, which, again, clearly was very influential on Gen X. Maybe you didn’t tie the trends and impact she had to her, but those reviews are obviously correct.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Her first book made a lot of “literary” waves (both by being loved and hated), and paved the way for similar memoirs, including many by black women (Roxane Gay is a clear descendant). People of any race who are into that world would have been aware of it, but if you’re not big into navel-gazing literary controversies it easily could have passed you by.

I think what triggered me was that the reviews suggested that she had such an impact on Gen X. I went to a women’s college and so that’s why I was really curious as a black woman. This is been so intriguing to me that I called a girlfriend who is also black. She had the same reaction that I did. I told her I was calling her because she was black and went to Harvard so maybe she had a different perspective. She didn’t. We have the same perspective. We laughed about it.

Yeah, but there are several whites women on the thread saying she had no impact or they didnt know who she was. So why extrapolate to a race distinction?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Her first book made a lot of “literary” waves (both by being loved and hated), and paved the way for similar memoirs, including many by black women (Roxane Gay is a clear descendant). People of any race who are into that world would have been aware of it, but if you’re not big into navel-gazing literary controversies it easily could have passed you by.

I think what triggered me was that the reviews suggested that she had such an impact on Gen X. I went to a women’s college and so that’s why I was really curious as a black woman. This is been so intriguing to me that I called a girlfriend who is also black. She had the same reaction that I did. I told her I was calling her because she was black and went to Harvard so maybe she had a different perspective. She didn’t. We have the same perspective. We laughed about it.

Again, she clearly paved the way for a certain kind of work or voice, which, again, clearly was very influential on Gen X. Maybe you didn’t tie the trends and impact she had to her, but those reviews are obviously correct.

+1. Just because it didn't impact the PP doesn't mean that it was not influential in literature or for Gen X. It doesn't have to affect literally every member of Gen X. Either way, I think it says something about the PP that she felt the need to comment dismissively (which is exactly what the PP's original comment was) on a thread saying that someone is dead. If you've never heard of her, fine, move along. There are plenty of threads about people you have heard of. That you came on this thread to comment dismissively that you've never heard of her doesn't make you look like a nice, thoughtful person, and calling a friend to laugh about how it must've been a white woman thing because the two of you had never heard of this person just doubles down on the "not nice and thoughtful" image.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Her first book made a lot of “literary” waves (both by being loved and hated), and paved the way for similar memoirs, including many by black women (Roxane Gay is a clear descendant). People of any race who are into that world would have been aware of it, but if you’re not big into navel-gazing literary controversies it easily could have passed you by.

I think what triggered me was that the reviews suggested that she had such an impact on Gen X. I went to a women’s college and so that’s why I was really curious as a black woman. This is been so intriguing to me that I called a girlfriend who is also black. She had the same reaction that I did. I told her I was calling her because she was black and went to Harvard so maybe she had a different perspective. She didn’t. We have the same perspective. We laughed about it.

Yeah, but there are several whites women on the thread saying she had no impact or they didnt know who she was. So why extrapolate to a race distinction?

PP posed a question and hypothesis. Why is the mention of race making you so uncomfortable?

[Anonymous]

Guys the story here is cancer mowing down someone who had every resource to treat it and in her early 50s. It's extremely disturbing and something we all have reason to fear and pay attention to.

[Anonymous]

Oh my God. Get over yourself. You are projecting. No one is denigrating anything. There are definitely cultural differences. There are definitely some things that are white women things. If you don’t know that then you have not been paying attention for a very long time. That’s not good or bad, it’s just a thing. I am sure that I can mention some things that are very prominent in the black women’s community that you would have no clue about. That’s not good or bad, it’s just a thing. Clearly, the book may or may not have been interesting to me. I just didn’t realize that it was such a big deal. You are the epitome of being too PC. Some things have nothing to do with racism. There are cultural differences between black people and white people. For instance, have you ever been to a black Thanksgiving? It’s very different.

I realize this has nothing to do with Elizabeth Wurtzel, but now I really want to hear about the cultural differences between black and white Thanksgiving celebrations.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The story of her wedding in 2015 sounds really lovely. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/31/style/elizabeth-wurtzel-finds-someone-to-love-her.html

Though I find it disturbing her initial diagnosis was only stage 2 breast cancer. That's a fairly early stage for diagnosis, to have it turn out to be terminal in the end.

30% of early stage breast cancer becomes stage four (terminal). People forget that admist all the pink washing.

Yes.

It's sad. My father had Stage 2 (very early, non-aggressive colon cancer). 90% survival rate for 5 years. Statistics for after 5 years aren't clear. It came back aggressive Stage IV in year 6.5.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The story of her wedding in 2015 sounds really lovely. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/31/style/elizabeth-wurtzel-finds-someone-to-love-her.html

Though I find it disturbing her initial diagnosis was only stage 2 breast cancer. That's a fairly early stage for diagnosis, to have it turn out to be terminal in the end.

30% of early stage breast cancer becomes stage four (terminal). People forget that admist all the pink washing.

This.

My mother was diagnosed and treated for Stage 2. Two years later it came back as Stage 4; died three years later. So, 5 years from original Stage 2 diagnosis.

Breast cancer sucks. And when it comes back (as it usually does), it comes back with a vengeance.

I'm so sorry. I know the feeling of thinking love one is in the clear to be in shock a few short years later.

[Anonymous]

https://www.theroot.com/the-2019-rules-and-revisions-for-black-thanksgiving-1840024400

[Anonymous]

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Oh my God. Get over yourself. You are projecting. No one is denigrating anything. There are definitely cultural differences. There are definitely some things that are white women things. If you don’t know that then you have not been paying attention for a very long time. That’s not good or bad, it’s just a thing. I am sure that I can mention some things that are very prominent in the black women’s community that you would have no clue about. That’s not good or bad, it’s just a thing. Clearly, the book may or may not have been interesting to me. I just didn’t realize that it was such a big deal. You are the epitome of being too PC. Some things have nothing to do with racism. There are cultural differences between black people and white people. For instance, have you ever been to a black Thanksgiving? It’s very different.

I realize this has nothing to do with Elizabeth Wurtzel, but now I really want to hear about the cultural differences between black and white Thanksgiving celebrations.

There was a thread that discussed this around Thanksgiving:

Mac and Cheese as Thanksgiving staple?
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/840515.page

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Guys the story here is cancer mowing down someone who had every resource to treat it and in her early 50s. It's extremely disturbing and something we all have reason to fear and pay attention to.

Every person I know who passed away from cancer had health insurance and access to good treatment. It's cancer, you can't status your way out of it. It's mostly luck (bad) if treatment isn't working.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Her first book made a lot of “literary” waves (both by being loved and hated), and paved the way for similar memoirs, including many by black women (Roxane Gay is a clear descendant). People of any race who are into that world would have been aware of it, but if you’re not big into navel-gazing literary controversies it easily could have passed you by.

I think what triggered me was that the reviews suggested that she had such an impact on Gen X. I went to a women’s college and so that’s why I was really curious as a black woman. This is been so intriguing to me that I called a girlfriend who is also black. She had the same reaction that I did. I told her I was calling her because she was black and went to Harvard so maybe she had a different perspective. She didn’t. We have the same perspective. We laughed about it.

Yeah, but there are several whites women on the thread saying she had no impact or they didnt know who she was. So why extrapolate to a race distinction?

PP posed a question and hypothesis. Why is the mention of race making you so uncomfortable?

It's not the mention of race, it's the suggestion of extrapolating one person's experience into a racial thing. That's lazy and prejudiced. If I posted saying my coworker always suggests having wine at work and asked if that's a "black woman thing" people would be horrified, and for good reason. Or if I said my other coworker likes to imitate accents, and is that a "Hispanic thing." That's ignorant. I don't assume that because my coworkers of any particular race, age, religion do something, that that means everyone of that race, age, or religion does that thing. It's equally ignorant coming from this PP and from you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Oh my God. Get over yourself. You are projecting. No one is denigrating anything. There are definitely cultural differences. There are definitely some things that are white women things. If you don’t know that then you have not been paying attention for a very long time. That’s not good or bad, it’s just a thing. I am sure that I can mention some things that are very prominent in the black women’s community that you would have no clue about. That’s not good or bad, it’s just a thing. Clearly, the book may or may not have been interesting to me. I just didn’t realize that it was such a big deal. You are the epitome of being too PC. Some things have nothing to do with racism. There are cultural differences between black people and white people. For instance, have you ever been to a black Thanksgiving? It’s very different.

I realize this has nothing to do with Elizabeth Wurtzel, but now I really want to hear about the cultural differences between black and white Thanksgiving celebrations.

There was a thread that discussed this around Thanksgiving:

Mac and Cheese as Thanksgiving staple?
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/840515.page

Thanks for sharing that. Yes, and I can't imagine going to black Thanksgiving and someone having green bean casserole.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Her first book made a lot of “literary” waves (both by being loved and hated), and paved the way for similar memoirs, including many by black women (Roxane Gay is a clear descendant). People of any race who are into that world would have been aware of it, but if you’re not big into navel-gazing literary controversies it easily could have passed you by.

I think what triggered me was that the reviews suggested that she had such an impact on Gen X. I went to a women’s college and so that’s why I was really curious as a black woman. This is been so intriguing to me that I called a girlfriend who is also black. She had the same reaction that I did. I told her I was calling her because she was black and went to Harvard so maybe she had a different perspective. She didn’t. We have the same perspective. We laughed about it.

Yeah, but there are several whites women on the thread saying she had no impact or they didnt know who she was. So why extrapolate to a race distinction?

PP posed a question and hypothesis. Why is the mention of race making you so uncomfortable?

It's not the mention of race, it's the suggestion of extrapolating one person's experience into a racial thing. That's lazy and prejudiced. If I posted saying my coworker always suggests having wine at work and asked if that's a "black woman thing" people would be horrified, and for good reason. Or if I said my other coworker likes to imitate accents, and is that a "Hispanic thing." That's ignorant. I don't assume that because my coworkers of any particular race, age, religion do something, that that means everyone of that race, age, or religion does that thing. It's equally ignorant coming from this PP and from you.

You've got to be joking. There are cultural differences between races. I believe they should be celebrated. Why are you so offended. I find that really interesting. I look forward to learning about different races and cultures. Don't you? When I spend time with my best friend's family (she's Mexican), it's WAY different. When I spend time with her Korean husband's family, it's WAY different. What is wrong with that? That's not ignorant. I went to a Phish concert on New Year's Eve. Definitely white space. Do you listen to the Snap Judgement podcast? Glenn Washington, the narrator and married to a white woman, did an entire episode on white space. It was spot on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.theroot.com/the-2019-rules-and-revisions-for-black-thanksgiving-1840024400

Hilarious! Thank you so much for sharing. I don't know how I missed this.