Boundary Study

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Then, who is pushing for the bounary redrawing, the kids in Kennedy or the kids in Whitman?

Started by the former SMOB, Board of Education voted for it, since then picked up by Students against Gun Violence. And various people on this Board.

Anyone who says anything against it gets labeled a bigot/racist/elitist who only cares about property values and not kids.

[Anonymous]

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That's great! Truly. And, so why do you think those kids would want to be bused to a different school farther away? Makes no sense.

Have you looked at the Einstein boundaries? Also, are you familiar with the Downcounty Consortium?

http://gis.mcpsmd.org/ServiceAreaMaps/EinsteinHS.pdf

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/schools/downcounty/choice/

[Anonymous]

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I think it makes zero difference. I work with people from all over and from varied backgrounds. My one co-worker is a conservative white Jewish man who went to religious school and grew up in an incredibly homogeneous environment. I have another co-worker who grew up in a different country, with solely people of her own ethnic background. One is a Latina lady who went to exclusively Catholic, all girls’ school. And one who grew up in NYC, which many would consider to be a diverse city.

Guess what? It doesn’t make a lick of difference. Some of them are good workers. Most of them are kind and respectful.

Simply ‘being’ in a diverse environment doesn’t mean you’ll grow up to be more successful or more tolerant or a better communicator. It means nothing.

It might make you feel good and feel like you’re so ‘progressive’ to advocate for ‘diversity’ when in reality, it will make ZERO difference.

No, it doesn't. It does mean you're used to being in a diverse environment, though. That's not nothing. In fact, it's a lot.

You think it's 'a lot'. Some of us don't think it matters. If it matters to you, you are welcome to seek out a diverse environment. Forcing diversity never works well.

What REALLY does matter is small class sizes, a solid curriculum, well-trained teachers and support at home. Regardless of race/class/diversity.

Nobody is "forcing diversity". Your child is free to hang out with whomever your child wants to hang out.

What actually is happening is: the Board of Education is commissioning an analysis to assess the possibilities for adjusting school boundaries to alleviate overcrowding and promote diverse student bodies.

[Anonymous]

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You think it's 'a lot'. Some of us don't think it matters. If it matters to you, you are welcome to seek out a diverse environment. Forcing diversity never works well.

What REALLY does matter is small class sizes, a solid curriculum, well-trained teachers and support at home. Regardless of race/class/diversity.

If you don't think it matters, then you are free to choose a school that meets your desires. Keep in mind, though, that if you choose a public school, then the boundaries for that school are set by the Board of Education. That's one of the Board of Education's responsibilities. And the members of the Board of Education will make boundary decisions based on what they consider the best option, which may not be the same as what you consider the best option.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then, who is pushing for the bounary redrawing, the kids in Kennedy or the kids in Whitman?

Started by the former SMOB, Board of Education voted for it, since then picked up by Students against Gun Violence. And various people on this Board.

Anyone who says anything against it gets labeled a bigot/racist/elitist who only cares about property values and not kids.

The arguments against the boundary analysis are:

1. "My property values!"
2. "Bringing poor kids into my kid's school will harm my kid's education."
3. "I don't want my kid bused across the county!"

#1 is unrelated to education. #2 is empirically false (just ask those of us with kids at high schools where there are poor kids - to say nothing of those of us who have poor kids!) And nobody is proposing #3.

So what's left?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then, who is pushing for the bounary redrawing, the kids in Kennedy or the kids in Whitman?

Started by the former SMOB, Board of Education voted for it, since then picked up by Students against Gun Violence. And various people on this Board.

Anyone who says anything against it gets labeled a bigot/racist/elitist who only cares about property values and not kids.

The arguments against the boundary analysis are:

1. "My property values!"
2. "Bringing poor kids into my kid's school will harm my kid's education."
3. "I don't want my kid bused across the county!"

#1 is unrelated to education. #2 is empirically false (just ask those of us with kids at high schools where there are poor kids - to say nothing of those of us who have poor kids!) And nobody is proposing #3.

So what's left?

Oh, I get it! You want to pay Wheaton real estate prices while sending your child to Whitman. Smart move.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then, who is pushing for the bounary redrawing, the kids in Kennedy or the kids in Whitman?

Started by the former SMOB, Board of Education voted for it, since then picked up by Students against Gun Violence. And various people on this Board.

Anyone who says anything against it gets labeled a bigot/racist/elitist who only cares about property values and not kids.

The arguments against the boundary analysis are:

1. "My property values!"
2. "Bringing poor kids into my kid's school will harm my kid's education."
3. "I don't want my kid bused across the county!"

#1 is unrelated to education. #2 is empirically false (just ask those of us with kids at high schools where there are poor kids - to say nothing of those of us who have poor kids!) And nobody is proposing #3.

So what's left?

Oh, I get it! You want to pay Wheaton real estate prices while sending your child to Whitman. Smart move.

If your goal is for people to not label you as a bigot/racist/elitist who only cares about property values and not kids, then this is unlikely to help you achieve it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then, who is pushing for the bounary redrawing, the kids in Kennedy or the kids in Whitman?

Started by the former SMOB, Board of Education voted for it, since then picked up by Students against Gun Violence. And various people on this Board.

Anyone who says anything against it gets labeled a bigot/racist/elitist who only cares about property values and not kids.

The arguments against the boundary analysis are:

1. "My property values!"
2. "Bringing poor kids into my kid's school will harm my kid's education."
3. "I don't want my kid bused across the county!"

#1 is unrelated to education. #2 is empirically false (just ask those of us with kids at high schools where there are poor kids - to say nothing of those of us who have poor kids!) And nobody is proposing #3.

So what's left?

BS

This is actually a major argument for me.

My kids are currently being bused to a MS that is over two miles away. Despite the fact that there is a MS that is WALKING distance from us. It makes ZERO sense. If they want to re-zone everyone to the closest ES/MS/HS, I could get on board with that. It would save money and make sense. However, that doesn't seem to be the case from anything I've heard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then, who is pushing for the bounary redrawing, the kids in Kennedy or the kids in Whitman?

Started by the former SMOB, Board of Education voted for it, since then picked up by Students against Gun Violence. And various people on this Board.

Anyone who says anything against it gets labeled a bigot/racist/elitist who only cares about property values and not kids.

The arguments against the boundary analysis are:

1. "My property values!"
2. "Bringing poor kids into my kid's school will harm my kid's education."
3. "I don't want my kid bused across the county!"

#1 is unrelated to education. #2 is empirically false (just ask those of us with kids at high schools where there are poor kids - to say nothing of those of us who have poor kids!) And nobody is proposing #3.

So what's left?

BS

This is actually a major argument for me.

My kids are currently being bused to a MS that is over two miles away. Despite the fact that there is a MS that is WALKING distance from us. It makes ZERO sense. If they want to re-zone everyone to the closest ES/MS/HS, I could get on board with that. It would save money and make sense. However, that doesn't seem to be the case from anything I've heard.

Two miles away is not across the county.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not pp but I’ll tell you why all schools should be diverse. Because the opposite of all schools being diverse is all schools being basically homogeneous. And when all schools are homogeneous, the schools that are white/Asian end up with better resources [b]than the schools that are black/Hispanic. They have PTAs that raise $100k a year, they have dozens of after-school activities, etc. Meanwhile at the poorer schools, teachers are forced to send out GoFundMe’s to their family and friends to supply their classrooms. It’s called “separate but equal,” and it never really ended.

This is ridiculous.

Can you explain why you feel that all White/Asian families in MCPS are rich and 'have more resources'? Do you really think all the Asian families in MCPS are wealthy? There are PLENTY of lower-income Asian kids in Montgomery County. Plenty.

And, we are at a Focus school. None of our teachers have ever sent out GoFundMe's. We actually get a good amount of extra money and resources from MCPS. We have smaller class sizes. The teachers do a ton of outreach to the lower income apartments in our cluster.

Lower income students in MCPS are given plenty of opportunity to succeed if they choose to. Families that do take advantage of these programs will see their kids doing well.

Simply busing kids to different schools will NOT fix the Achievement Gap for MCPS.

It all starts with the families people. If the family supports education, then the child will thrive. If the family just wants to sit back and coast and not support their kid, then the kid will fail. The reason kids in the W district succeed is because their families support them by getting involved with volunteering and supporting them with homework, etc. Sadly a lot of the lower income families either are overwhelmed with work schedules or are dealing with addiction problems. I've seen both situations.

[Anonymous]

I live in the Churchill district and feel pretty safe. Our boundaries are just more W schools for the most part lol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not pp but I’ll tell you why all schools should be diverse. Because the opposite of all schools being diverse is all schools being basically homogeneous. And when all schools are homogeneous, the schools that are white/Asian end up with better resources than the schools that are black/Hispanic. They have PTAs that raise $100k a year, they have dozens of after-school activities, etc. Meanwhile at the poorer schools, teachers are forced to send out GoFundMe’s to their family and friends to supply their classrooms. It’s called “separate but equal,” and it never really ended.

This is ridiculous.

Can you explain why you feel that all White/Asian families in MCPS are rich and 'have more resources'? Do you really think all the Asian families in MCPS are wealthy? There are PLENTY of lower-income Asian kids in Montgomery County. Plenty.

And, we are at a Focus school. None of our teachers have ever sent out GoFundMe's. We actually get a good amount of extra money and resources from MCPS. We have smaller class sizes. The teachers do a ton of outreach to the lower income apartments in our cluster.

Lower income students in MCPS are given plenty of opportunity to succeed if they choose to. Families that do take advantage of these programs will see their kids doing well.

Simply busing kids to different schools will NOT fix the Achievement Gap for MCPS.

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It all starts with the families people. If the family supports education, then the child will thrive. If the family just wants to sit back and coast and not support their kid, then the kid will fail. The reason kids in the W district succeed is because their families support them by getting involved with volunteering and supporting them with homework, etc. Sadly a lot of the lower income families either are overwhelmed with work schedules or are dealing with addiction problems. I've seen both situations.

Agreed.

And, I see this in both higher income families, just as much as in lower income families. There are plenty of higher income families that think they can send their kids to a W school, and the kid will automatically be successful. Um, not quite?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not pp but I’ll tell you why all schools should be diverse. Because the opposite of all schools being diverse is all schools being basically homogeneous. And when all schools are homogeneous, the schools that are white/Asian end up with better resources [b]than the schools that are black/Hispanic. They have PTAs that raise $100k a year, they have dozens of after-school activities, etc. Meanwhile at the poorer schools, teachers are forced to send out GoFundMe’s to their family and friends to supply their classrooms. It’s called “separate but equal,” and it never really ended.

This is ridiculous.

Can you explain why you feel that all White/Asian families in MCPS are rich and 'have more resources'? Do you really think all the Asian families in MCPS are wealthy? There are PLENTY of lower-income Asian kids in Montgomery County. Plenty.

And, we are at a Focus school. None of our teachers have ever sent out GoFundMe's. We actually get a good amount of extra money and resources from MCPS. We have smaller class sizes. The teachers do a ton of outreach to the lower income apartments in our cluster.

Lower income students in MCPS are given plenty of opportunity to succeed if they choose to. Families that do take advantage of these programs will see their kids doing well.

Simply busing kids to different schools will NOT fix the Achievement Gap for MCPS.

It all starts with the families people. If the family supports education, then the child will thrive. If the family just wants to sit back and coast and not support their kid, then the kid will fail. The reason kids in the W district succeed is because their families support them by getting involved with volunteering and supporting them with homework, etc. Sadly a lot of the lower income families either are overwhelmed with work schedules or are dealing with addiction problems. I've seen both situations.

+1 no amount of extra money is going to solve the problem of non imvolved families. My father grew up dirt poor with no father but extended famiky stepped in to help. Doing well in school was expected and demanded. That was seen as the way out and the way up. Today it is someone else's fault.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you're a kid. Things aren't so black and white. Personally, we chose a diverse area of MoCo to raise our kids. I am for a boundary change because the current boundaries are outdated and unsustainable. BUT some parents bought houses that were priced higher because they are in a W neighborhood. They did it because they wanted to give their kids the best, and avoid problems they believe will result in more diverse schools. Now they have several hundreds of thousands of dollars to lose if the boundaries change. While they might support integration in principle, their finances are tied to the status quo. Kind of like how Thomas Jefferson's kids were slaves, and he advocated for slavery to end, all the while owning like 600 slaves and only freeing his kids and wife. The rest of his slaves, he sold. Sometimes doing the right thing is complicated. Moral of the story for you, as you grow up-- if you don't put yourself in a moral quandary to begin with, you won't have these problems. Figure out what kind of morals you have now and then live by them even when it sucks. Develop your character when you're young, because you will need it when you're older.

It's rude to say I am a kid because I'm not. So your dismissed and I dont care if they bought their house for higher prices. All schools need diversity and you can go somewhere else if you disagree. Point blank and the period.

DP



OP... you do your own research & come back to me on what you read. Not doing it for you....Still wanna argue with me??

Can you explain why you think this?

I’m not White an my kids attend a non-W school. I don’t care at all how ‘diverse’ my kids school is. I want good teachers, a solid curriculum and small class sizes.

We are an interracial family and my kids get ‘diversity’ in our own family. I don’t care what color/race/religion my kids’ teachers are. I don’t care what color/race/religion my kids’ friends are.

Why does it matter?

It matters because kids tend to learn better in an environment of diversity than just one race. It exposes them to peers of different backgrounds also. Diversity enhances everyone's potential to be successful. Anything else?

That all sounds like it is your opinion.

Can you site some sources to back that up? How do you even prove that kids learn better in an environment of 'diversity'? What constitutes diversity - are you talking economic diversity, or simply racial diversity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, you're a kid. Things aren't so black and white. Personally, we chose a diverse area of MoCo to raise our kids. I am for a boundary change because the current boundaries are outdated and unsustainable. BUT some parents bought houses that were priced higher because they are in a W neighborhood. They did it because they wanted to give their kids the best, and avoid problems they believe will result in more diverse schools. Now they have several hundreds of thousands of dollars to lose if the boundaries change. While they might support integration in principle, their finances are tied to the status quo. Kind of like how Thomas Jefferson's kids were slaves, and he advocated for slavery to end, all the while owning like 600 slaves and only freeing his kids and wife. The rest of his slaves, he sold. Sometimes doing the right thing is complicated. Moral of the story for you, as you grow up-- if you don't put yourself in a moral quandary to begin with, you won't have these problems. Figure out what kind of morals you have now and then live by them even when it sucks. Develop your character when you're young, because you will need it when you're older.

It's rude to say I am a kid because I'm not. So your dismissed and I dont care if they bought their house for higher prices. All schools need diversity and you can go somewhere else if you disagree. Point blank and the period.

DP
Can you explain why you think this?

I’m not White an my kids attend a non-W school. I don’t care at all how ‘diverse’ my kids school is. I want good teachers, a solid curriculum and small class sizes.

We are an interracial family and my kids get ‘diversity’ in our own family. I don’t care what color/race/religion my kids’ teachers are. I don’t care what color/race/religion my kids’ friends are.

Why does it matter?

It matters because kids tend to learn better in an environment of diversity than just one race. It exposes them to peers of different backgrounds also. Diversity enhances everyone's potential to be successful. Anything else?

Yah no kids learn anything in all those elite private schools and colleges who go on to run the world

Now Kennedy & Einstein High schools, those are genius mills

You're making PP's argument for PP. Seriously. Look what they're doing, and how they do it.

(Kennedy, by the way, is not a diverse high school. It is just as undiverse as Whitman.)

Dont come for kennedy.. whitman doesn't even show a percentage of black people.. because their is NONE. Kennedy has all raves.. majority hispanic.. but at least it has a percentage for EVERY RACE.