If you enter the intersection while a pedestrian is crossing, where'd you learn to drive?

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It is actually a law that you can't impede the flow of traffic. If you are purposely walking slow because you didn't take your meds and you are mad at a dtiver, it's illegal.

Show me where that law applies to pedestrians, in DC, Maryland, or Virginia.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone in another thread recently brought up how another major city - London maybe? - deals with traffic and pedestrians. When pedestrians have the light to cross, all traffic - in all four directions - stops. So pedestrians cross all at once for 2 minutes or something. That way no car can sneak up on a pedestrian or pretend they aren’t going to hit you. And cars can make turns without have to yield to pedestrians.

Seems so much safer that each group moves without threat of the other being in the way. Clearly that would be a big change for the US but I like the concept.

I LOVE these 4 way stops! And even if you have to wait longer to cross, when traffic stops you can save time by crossing on the diagonal.

Am I remembering correctly that it is a European city that has this approach? I don’t think it’s done in the US. It would definitely take a lot of education and laws to be changed to be pulled off here. No right on red and pedestrians could only be in marked cross walks crossing when they have a light telling them to.

Yes, it is. It's called a Barnes Dance, and they even have a few of them in DC.

Really? Wow how do they enforce that with the current pedestrian laws in DC?

https://wamu.org/story/17/06/15/pedestrian-scramble-d-c-revives-idea-1940s-reduce-accidents/

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Anonymous wrote:Your time to cross, typically coincides with the car's time to turn. I work in the Farragut West area, if drivers waited for the cross walk to be completely free to turn, MAYBE one car could go with every light change. Traffic would be even worse than it is now.

And for those who intentionally slow down, what is wrong with you? As long as the car isn't doing something illegal (like running a red light) quickly cross so everyone can get where they are going.

These are types of pedestrians who seem to want "But I had the right of way" printed on their tombstones.

Creeping your car up on someone is threatening. If it’s too crowded with people then don’t drive your car there.

DP. I normally give pedestrians really wide birth, I always stop at mid-block crosswalks when people are waiting to cross, etc. My only exception is when I’m trying to make a right turn on green during rush hour downtown. I still keep a safe distance, but will creep forward into the crosswalk as I can in order to make the turn as soon as possible. It’s really not about trying to hurry pedestrians, it’s about traffic being so wretched that drivers doing that to help more cars through the light can mean the difference between a five minute wait to make a turn and a 20 minute wait. That’s meaningful when the person three cars behind you is trying to make a daycare pick-up deadline.

We can all stand to be a little kinder and more understanding toward each other.

It's only a problem when that inching into the crosswalk is not giving people a wide berth. Then you need to plan to leave earlier to make daycare pickup while driving in a crowded city. Take traffic as a fact of life and plan accordingly.

Must be nice to be able to waltz out of the office before 4:30 instead of waiting until 5:00 when your 9.5 mile commute can take upwards of 90 minutes.

So if your current work life situation is untenable, your solution is to drive in a way that threatens pedestrians?

Nice life choices. I guess we need harsher penalties for people like you.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone in another thread recently brought up how another major city - London maybe? - deals with traffic and pedestrians. When pedestrians have the light to cross, all traffic - in all four directions - stops. So pedestrians cross all at once for 2 minutes or something. That way no car can sneak up on a pedestrian or pretend they aren’t going to hit you. And cars can make turns without have to yield to pedestrians.

Seems so much safer that each group moves without threat of the other being in the way. Clearly that would be a big change for the US but I like the concept.

I LOVE these 4 way stops! And even if you have to wait longer to cross, when traffic stops you can save time by crossing on the diagonal.

Am I remembering correctly that it is a European city that has this approach? I don’t think it’s done in the US. It would definitely take a lot of education and laws to be changed to be pulled off here. No right on red and pedestrians could only be in marked cross walks crossing when they have a light telling them to.

Yes, it is. It's called a Barnes Dance, and they even have a few of them in DC.

Really? Wow how do they enforce that with the current pedestrian laws in DC?

https://wamu.org/story/17/06/15/pedestrian-scramble-d-c-revives-idea-1940s-reduce-accidents/

Thanks. Looks like the enforcement is coming from traffic cops stationed at those intersections.

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Anonymous wrote:Your time to cross, typically coincides with the car's time to turn. I work in the Farragut West area, if drivers waited for the cross walk to be completely free to turn, MAYBE one car could go with every light change. Traffic would be even worse than it is now.

And for those who intentionally slow down, what is wrong with you? As long as the car isn't doing something illegal (like running a red light) quickly cross so everyone can get where they are going.

These are types of pedestrians who seem to want "But I had the right of way" printed on their tombstones.

Creeping your car up on someone is threatening. If it’s too crowded with people then don’t drive your car there.

That is the way the street work, cars are allowed to enter the intersection ... you need to move quickly so you don't obstruct the flow of traffic.

Sorry you are wrong on this one.

No, you don't. It is not the obligation of people who are crossing the street to move quickly so as not to obstruct people who are driving. Not the legal obligation, not the moral obligation, not the civic obligation.

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It is actually a law that you can't impede the flow of traffic. If you are purposely walking slow because you didn't take your meds and you are mad at a dtiver, it's illegal.

Not when the pedestrian has the right of way.

Can you cite which law you're actually talking about?

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Anonymous wrote:Your time to cross, typically coincides with the car's time to turn. I work in the Farragut West area, if drivers waited for the cross walk to be completely free to turn, MAYBE one car could go with every light change. Traffic would be even worse than it is now.

And for those who intentionally slow down, what is wrong with you? As long as the car isn't doing something illegal (like running a red light) quickly cross so everyone can get where they are going.

These are types of pedestrians who seem to want "But I had the right of way" printed on their tombstones.

Creeping your car up on someone is threatening. If it’s too crowded with people then don’t drive your car there.

That is the way the street work, cars are allowed to enter the intersection ... you need to move quickly so you don't obstruct the flow of traffic.

Sorry you are wrong on this one.

Pedestrians have zero obligation to 1) walk faster while in the crosswalk or 2) worry about obstructing traffic. If a pedestrian is in a crosswalk you stop and wait. You don’t creep your car forward, you don’t honk, you don’t zoom around. There is traffic because of drivers not because of pedestrians. You don’t like it, get out of your car and walk or take the bus. Pedestrians have to stop at every single intersection because of cars, if you are in a car then YOU are the one impeding pedestrian traffic so please get out of the way.

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Anonymous wrote:Your time to cross, typically coincides with the car's time to turn. I work in the Farragut West area, if drivers waited for the cross walk to be completely free to turn, MAYBE one car could go with every light change. Traffic would be even worse than it is now.

And for those who intentionally slow down, what is wrong with you? As long as the car isn't doing something illegal (like running a red light) quickly cross so everyone can get where they are going.

These are types of pedestrians who seem to want "But I had the right of way" printed on their tombstones.

Creeping your car up on someone is threatening. If it’s too crowded with people then don’t drive your car there.

DP. I normally give pedestrians really wide birth, I always stop at mid-block crosswalks when people are waiting to cross, etc. My only exception is when I’m trying to make a right turn on green during rush hour downtown. I still keep a safe distance, but will creep forward into the crosswalk as I can in order to make the turn as soon as possible. It’s really not about trying to hurry pedestrians, it’s about traffic being so wretched that drivers doing that to help more cars through the light can mean the difference between a five minute wait to make a turn and a 20 minute wait. That’s meaningful when the person three cars behind you is trying to make a daycare pick-up deadline.

We can all stand to be a little kinder and more understanding toward each other.

It's only a problem when that inching into the crosswalk is not giving people a wide berth. Then you need to plan to leave earlier to make daycare pickup while driving in a crowded city. Take traffic as a fact of life and plan accordingly.

Must be nice to be able to waltz out of the office before 4:30 instead of waiting until 5:00 when your 9.5 mile commute can take upwards of 90 minutes.

Look, you choose to work where you work, to live where you live and to drive in a car to work (there are metro and bus stops every block). If that voice means you are stuck in traffic then that is your problem. I personally live in a small, walkable apartment and took a lower paying job to have flexibility to get to daycare on time so I certainly am not going to shed a tear if you need take an extra five to ten minutes to get home because of the traffic that you are causing in your vehicle.

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Must be nice to be able to waltz out of the office before 4:30 instead of waiting until 5:00 when your 9.5 mile commute can take upwards of 90 minutes.

You aren't stuck in traffic, you are traffic.

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The psycho who purposely walks slowly is going to get his/her just desserts some day soon.

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Anonymous wrote:Your time to cross, typically coincides with the car's time to turn. I work in the Farragut West area, if drivers waited for the cross walk to be completely free to turn, MAYBE one car could go with every light change. Traffic would be even worse than it is now.

And for those who intentionally slow down, what is wrong with you? As long as the car isn't doing something illegal (like running a red light) quickly cross so everyone can get where they are going.

These are types of pedestrians who seem to want "But I had the right of way" printed on their tombstones.

+1. I learned how to drive in NC which didn’t have much bike/pedestrians traffic. So actually my inclination is to wait patiently like it’s a Sunday drive with no place to be. However a few years in NJ changed that. If you aren’t equally as crazy a driver you could actually cause an accident because the person behind you would say WTF, give you the finger and come up your left side to turn right in front of you if it seems like you aren’t going to go! DC isn’t quite as bad but I’ve learned to get out there at a 4 way stop and wait for the pedestrian move enough across for me to go otherwise I lose my turn to go.

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Anonymous wrote:The psycho who purposely walks slowly is going to get his/her just desserts some day soon.

Forgot your meds again, eh pp?

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Anonymous wrote:The psycho who purposely walks slowly is going to get his/her just desserts some day soon.

I assume you can tell the difference between someone purposely walking slowly and someone with a disability that makes them walk slowly because you have psychotic powers.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this taught anywhere? I don't mean just entering the intersection while the pedestrian is almost fully across. But they'll literally enter, and creep through the middle of the intersection while you're <.25/.5 of the way across. Where are you crazies learning this behavior?

At least everyone in the Indian subcontinent knows that the person in the more expensive and bigger vehicle has the right of the way. Pedestrians rank lower than cattle. Why is there so much confusion? Not every thing has to be taught. Live and learn.

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Anonymous wrote:Your time to cross, typically coincides with the car's time to turn. I work in the Farragut West area, if drivers waited for the cross walk to be completely free to turn, MAYBE one car could go with every light change. Traffic would be even worse than it is now.

And for those who intentionally slow down, what is wrong with you? As long as the car isn't doing something illegal (like running a red light) quickly cross so everyone can get where they are going.

These are types of pedestrians who seem to want "But I had the right of way" printed on their tombstones.

Creeping your car up on someone is threatening. If it’s too crowded with people then don’t drive your car there.

DP. I normally give pedestrians really wide birth, I always stop at mid-block crosswalks when people are waiting to cross, etc. My only exception is when I’m trying to make a right turn on green during rush hour downtown. I still keep a safe distance, but will creep forward into the crosswalk as I can in order to make the turn as soon as possible. It’s really not about trying to hurry pedestrians, it’s about traffic being so wretched that drivers doing that to help more cars through the light can mean the difference between a five minute wait to make a turn and a 20 minute wait. That’s meaningful when the person three cars behind you is trying to make a daycare pick-up deadline.

We can all stand to be a little kinder and more understanding toward each other.

It's only a problem when that inching into the crosswalk is not giving people a wide berth. Then you need to plan to leave earlier to make daycare pickup while driving in a crowded city. Take traffic as a fact of life and plan accordingly.

When pedestrians follow the law about only entering the crosswalk when the walk signal is on and stop entering the intersection once the don't walk signal is flashing, then I’ll worry about your “wide berth.” Traffic wouldn’t be nearly as bad if pedestrians followed the law too.

[Anonymous]

Traffic would be a lot better if there weren't so many people driving cars. Really simple.