USMNT vs Curacao

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Anonymous wrote:LOL maybe the problem is very simple: Americans suck at soccer.

I hate Chelsea, but this comment makes me wish Pulisic becomes the new Hazard and leads them to a Premier League win next year...

One in a country of 335 million. And he's no Messi, not even close, yet was bred for the sport and shipped to Europe to train when young. Think about that for a minute. It may support the original post.

The population # is irrelevant.

That’s not what’s being argued in these threads. People are making the claim that we should be stronger than less populous countries. I agree with you, population is irrelevant. Culture is supreme. That’s why we suck (relative term) at soccer. Like India and China.

Does Iceland have a superior soccer culture that fueled the rapid growth and then success in a decade+ period? I'm not sure that's the case.

Yes. They decided to become good at soccer, and the government supported the effort. Read:

https://www.si.com/soccer/2018/06/01/iceland-world-cup-soccer-nation-story-culture-heimir-hallgrimsson

Imagine if the US put this kind of effort in...

Donut wasn't the Icelandic soccer culture, it was policy and govt resources?

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Don’t even need govt assistance tbh, US Soccer and SUM are sitting on a fat pile of cash but will not reinvest into the grassroots and coaching education. The “path” is too formalized and corporate, they want players to be brought to them and they want to make big bucks while they’re at it too.

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile, less-well-off kids are left to fend for themselves. In Brazil, a poor kid with talent would have teams fighting over him

So the problem is there's not enough scouts in the US to find talents?

Nobody does any scouting. They wait for parents to bring the kids to them, along with a large check.

You made it sound like these pro clubs don't want to find the next Messi or Neymar on US soil. That makes no sense.

If the next Messi or Neymar is American, he won't be playing in MLS. And the structure of MLS creates a disincentive for individual clubs to develop a player like that and sell him to Europe, because they won't get to keep the money. Because MLS isn't a real league, it's a cartel.

Don't confuse MLS with USSF.

Why not? USSF is a wholly owned subsidiary of MLS. Every time Don Garber sits down Carlos Cordeiro gets a headache.

One of our biggest problems in player development is the lips-to-buttocks relationship between the USSF leadership and the people who run MLS.

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile, less-well-off kids are left to fend for themselves. In Brazil, a poor kid with talent would have teams fighting over him

So the problem is there's not enough scouts in the US to find talents?

Nobody does any scouting. They wait for parents to bring the kids to them, along with a large check.

You made it sound like these pro clubs don't want to find the next Messi or Neymar on US soil. That makes no sense.

If the next Messi or Neymar is American, he won't be playing in MLS. And the structure of MLS creates a disincentive for individual clubs to develop a player like that and sell him to Europe, because they won't get to keep the money. Because MLS isn't a real league, it's a cartel.

Don't confuse MLS with USSF.

Why not? USSF is a wholly owned subsidiary of MLS. Every time Don Garber sits down Carlos Cordeiro gets a headache.

One of our biggest problems in player development is the lips-to-buttocks relationship between the USSF leadership and the people who run MLS.

USSF is a puppet of MLS and Don Garbage sits on the USSF board of directors.

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Anonymous wrote:If we lose to Jamaica, does Berhalter remain the coach of the USMNT?

If we can bargain in losing you and the rest of the anti-US goons from this forum, I’d be happy to say goodbye to Gregg and you guys.

Sadly, we are stuck with you in perpetuity. And of course he’s not getting fired, no matter the result in a single game.

He coached more than one game, didn't he? I am not anti-US, just anti-nepotism in selecting USMNT coach. We deserve better and Berhalter's results show it.

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Anonymous wrote:If we lose to Jamaica, does Berhalter remain the coach of the USMNT?

If we can bargain in losing you and the rest of the anti-US goons from this forum, I’d be happy to say goodbye to Gregg and you guys.

Sadly, we are stuck with you in perpetuity. And of course he’s not getting fired, no matter the result in a single game.

He coached more than one game, didn't he? I am not anti-US, just anti-nepotism in selecting USMNT coach. We deserve better and Berhalter's results show it.

OK--Mr Report what you don't like. The fact is that he will not be fired. The team has advanced despite your whining.

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Guess the firing will have to wait until after the final against Mexico.

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Anonymous wrote:Guess the firing will have to wait until after the final against Mexico.

Yep, beating a team, which is outside the top 50 in the world, is enough to retain the job. The bar has been set pretty low.

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Anonymous wrote:Guess the firing will have to wait until after the final against Mexico.

Yep, beating a team, which is outside the top 50 in the world, is enough to retain the job. The bar has been set pretty low.

Beerholder isn't going to get fired. He was put there for a reason more important than developing great players and winning games, because those are not USSF's top priority. USSF right now is primarily the marketing arm of MLS. And that's the problem, and will always be the problem, until there's a top-to-bottom purge of the organization and a divorce from being under the shadow of MLS.

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Anonymous wrote:Guess the firing will have to wait until after the final against Mexico.

Yep, beating a team, which is outside the top 50 in the world, is enough to retain the job. The bar has been set pretty low.

Better than the disgrace we saw last WC cycle

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Anonymous wrote:Guess the firing will have to wait until after the final against Mexico.

Yep, beating a team, which is outside the top 50 in the world, is enough to retain the job. The bar has been set pretty low.

Better than the disgrace we saw last WC cycle

All the USMNT has to do is be the 3rd best team in CONCACAF and they can qualify for the World Cup forever. And then all they have to do is get out of the group stage and people will say, "we're getting better."

That's what USSF is betting on with their mediocre coach and their mediocre player development system. As long as it keeps filling seats for their mediocre league (MLS) so the owners can keep making money.

It's programmed mediocrity. And for those of us who think it's possible to shoot for excellence, it's frustrating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guess the firing will have to wait until after the final against Mexico.

Yep, beating a team, which is outside the top 50 in the world, is enough to retain the job. The bar has been set pretty low.

Better than the disgrace we saw last WC cycle

All the USMNT has to do is be the 3rd best team in CONCACAF and they can qualify for the World Cup forever. And then all they have to do is get out of the group stage and people will say, "we're getting better."

That's what USSF is betting on with their mediocre coach and their mediocre player development system. As long as it keeps filling seats for their mediocre league (MLS) so the owners can keep making money.

It's programmed mediocrity. And for those of us who think it's possible to shoot for excellence, it's frustrating.

So stop the whining, and offer solutions. What would you do?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guess the firing will have to wait until after the final against Mexico.

Yep, beating a team, which is outside the top 50 in the world, is enough to retain the job. The bar has been set pretty low.

Better than the disgrace we saw last WC cycle

All the USMNT has to do is be the 3rd best team in CONCACAF and they can qualify for the World Cup forever. And then all they have to do is get out of the group stage and people will say, "we're getting better."

That's what USSF is betting on with their mediocre coach and their mediocre player development system. As long as it keeps filling seats for their mediocre league (MLS) so the owners can keep making money.

It's programmed mediocrity. And for those of us who think it's possible to shoot for excellence, it's frustrating.

So stop the whining, and offer solutions. What would you do?

Open up the system and create competition to MLS through promotion/relegation. Then the place in the top division would have to be earned on the field and people would start investing more in soccer. The top talent will rise and mediocrity would be relegated to lower divisions where it belongs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guess the firing will have to wait until after the final against Mexico.

Yep, beating a team, which is outside the top 50 in the world, is enough to retain the job. The bar has been set pretty low.

Better than the disgrace we saw last WC cycle

All the USMNT has to do is be the 3rd best team in CONCACAF and they can qualify for the World Cup forever. And then all they have to do is get out of the group stage and people will say, "we're getting better."

That's what USSF is betting on with their mediocre coach and their mediocre player development system. As long as it keeps filling seats for their mediocre league (MLS) so the owners can keep making money.

It's programmed mediocrity. And for those of us who think it's possible to shoot for excellence, it's frustrating.

So stop the whining, and offer solutions. What would you do?

Open up the system and create competition to MLS through promotion/relegation. Then the place in the top division would have to be earned on the field and people would start investing more in soccer. The top talent will rise and mediocrity would be relegated to lower divisions where it belongs.

Something realistic. Pro/rel isn't going to happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guess the firing will have to wait until after the final against Mexico.

Yep, beating a team, which is outside the top 50 in the world, is enough to retain the job. The bar has been set pretty low.

Better than the disgrace we saw last WC cycle

All the USMNT has to do is be the 3rd best team in CONCACAF and they can qualify for the World Cup forever. And then all they have to do is get out of the group stage and people will say, "we're getting better."

That's what USSF is betting on with their mediocre coach and their mediocre player development system. As long as it keeps filling seats for their mediocre league (MLS) so the owners can keep making money.

It's programmed mediocrity. And for those of us who think it's possible to shoot for excellence, it's frustrating.

So stop the whining, and offer solutions. What would you do?

Open up the system and create competition to MLS through promotion/relegation. Then the place in the top division would have to be earned on the field and people would start investing more in soccer. The top talent will rise and mediocrity would be relegated to lower divisions where it belongs.

Something realistic. Pro/rel isn't going to happen.

It is the only solution. We have a monopoly, the rest of the world has free market.