Damn this is some serious hefty diversity analytical shit on the DCPS planning site

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Anonymous wrote:I honestly think a better option than finagling an already overcrowded system where lots of families lottery for a smaller and smaller number of seats is to 1) offer parenting classes and counseling to teen mothers 2) provide wrap around services at the local school that provide care, counseling and nourishment at no cost and 3) ensure that people are paid a living wage. Thinking a very poor child living in SE can make it to Lafayette on time each day is a pipe dream.

This. You’re not going to send an at risk kid to a “great” school and get anything other than a kid at the bottom of the class, probably in trouble all the time, etc. Don’t even do this unless you’re serious about addressing the real causes of the achievement gap.

At-risk is not synonymous with behavioral problems and poor academic performance. Some at-risk kids have those issues, but not all. Perhaps if some had more opportunities earlier they would be better off. Sweeping generalizations undercut your point. Integrated schools - economically and racially is the goal of the discussed reforms.

If you don’t share that goal you probably have some decisions to make.

At risk is highly correlated with behavior problems and poor academic performance. It’s not the fault of the kids of course, but to think you can just plunk them in a different school and they’ll be a-ok is pie in the sky thinking. If all it took was a well resourced school, we could improve all the Ward 8 schools tomorrow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I honestly think a better option than finagling an already overcrowded system where lots of families lottery for a smaller and smaller number of seats is to 1) offer parenting classes and counseling to teen mothers 2) provide wrap around services at the local school that provide care, counseling and nourishment at no cost and 3) ensure that people are paid a living wage. Thinking a very poor child living in SE can make it to Lafayette on time each day is a pipe dream.

This. You’re not going to send an at risk kid to a “great” school and get anything other than a kid at the bottom of the class, probably in trouble all the time, etc. Don’t even do this unless you’re serious about addressing the real causes of the achievement gap.

At-risk is not synonymous with behavioral problems and poor academic performance. Some at-risk kids have those issues, but not all. Perhaps if some had more opportunities earlier they would be better off. Sweeping generalizations undercut your point. Integrated schools - economically and racially is the goal of the discussed reforms.

If you don’t share that goal you probably have some decisions to make.

At risk is highly correlated with behavior problems and poor academic performance. It’s not the fault of the kids of course, but to think you can just plunk them in a different school and they’ll be a-ok is pie in the sky thinking. If all it took was a well resourced school, we could improve all the Ward 8 schools tomorrow.

As others have said DC is already nearly 50% at-risk

Multiple studies have shown school starts to go down hill at only 20% at-risk and by 40%+ at-risk it is very hard to get any kind of results without going to some sort of highly structure disciplined model ala KIPP/DC Prep.

Since DC is 50% risk making every school 50% at-risk accomplishes nothing

The non high at-risk areas need to be left alone and for areas that are high at-risk like EOTR the KIPP DC PREP model should be adopted by everyone. Frankly from a resource standpoint I would just turn over the entire system EOTR do DC Prep and KIPP. As it stands now no DCPS public middle or high school EOTR is successful at all. They are giant money pits. At the very least there needs to be more consolidation instead of spending millions on schools with less than 300 or even 200 students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I honestly think a better option than finagling an already overcrowded system where lots of families lottery for a smaller and smaller number of seats is to 1) offer parenting classes and counseling to teen mothers 2) provide wrap around services at the local school that provide care, counseling and nourishment at no cost and 3) ensure that people are paid a living wage. Thinking a very poor child living in SE can make it to Lafayette on time each day is a pipe dream.

This. You’re not going to send an at risk kid to a “great” school and get anything other than a kid at the bottom of the class, probably in trouble all the time, etc. Don’t even do this unless you’re serious about addressing the real causes of the achievement gap.

At-risk is not synonymous with behavioral problems and poor academic performance. Some at-risk kids have those issues, but not all. Perhaps if some had more opportunities earlier they would be better off. Sweeping generalizations undercut your point. Integrated schools - economically and racially is the goal of the discussed reforms.

If you don’t share that goal you probably have some decisions to make.

At risk is highly correlated with behavior problems and poor academic performance. It’s not the fault of the kids of course, but to think you can just plunk them in a different school and they’ll be a-ok is pie in the sky thinking. If all it took was a well resourced school, we could improve all the Ward 8 schools tomorrow.

As others have said DC is already nearly 50% at-risk

Multiple studies have shown school starts to go down hill at only 20% at-risk and by 40%+ at-risk it is very hard to get any kind of results without going to some sort of highly structure disciplined model ala KIPP/DC Prep.

Since DC is 50% risk making every school 50% at-risk accomplishes nothing

The non high at-risk areas need to be left alone and for areas that are high at-risk like EOTR the KIPP DC PREP model should be adopted by everyone. Frankly from a resource standpoint I would just turn over the entire system EOTR do DC Prep and KIPP. As it stands now no DCPS public middle or high school EOTR is successful at all. They are giant money pits. At the very least there needs to be more consolidation instead of spending millions on schools with less than 300 or even 200 students.

This.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is like 76 pages of slides on diversity in schools, integration, policy approaches, and all that from the Strategic School Planning Advisory Board last week. It is a shitload of stuff to get through and it looks really, really interesting. (Just if that's your thing, rather than coming here to complain about why Upper NW doesn't have everything all the time.)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1E29tovOkKM5u9z7kH3Oyf4lvKivPiPKL/view

Really interesting, thanks for sharing.

This is a shocking stat: "Since 2008, DCPS has yearly enrolled 500 to 1,000 additional Hispanic/Latino and White students, while enrolling 600 fewer Black or African American students on average."

Also, it's bizarre that nearly 5% of DCPS students come from "unknown Ward." Even with divorced homes, the kids would be assigned to a Ward of a parent or relative.

It looks like DCPS is seriously considering adding At-Risk preference to the lottery. That said, with OOB seats basically disappearing at all desirable schools within the next 2-4 years, I'm not sure the preference will help all that much.

And what impact does this even propose to have. ?

Still worth it. If it helps a family get into a school that THEY prefer (like for location or sibling togetherness) that can be a real benefit to them.

Look at slide 66:
If you make At-Risk the first priority in the lottery, it would have only added 17 kids to NW DCPS in grades K-5 in the 2018 lottery. That's not much of an impact and will continue to dwindle as new housing is added in NW DC.

[Anonymous]

At risk is highly correlated with behavior problems and poor academic performance. It’s not the fault of the kids of course, but to think you can just plunk them in a different school and they’ll be a-ok is pie in the sky thinking. If all it took was a well resourced school, we could improve all the Ward 8 schools tomorrow.

Every single word here is spot on.

[Anonymous]

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At risk is highly correlated with behavior problems and poor academic performance. It’s not the fault of the kids of course, but to think you can just plunk them in a different school and they’ll be a-ok is pie in the sky thinking. If all it took was a well resourced school, we could improve all the Ward 8 schools tomorrow.

Every single word here is spot on.

Sorry, my mistake (I mean I like my originally quoted text too)' but this was the spot on stuff:


As others have said DC is already nearly 50% at-risk

Multiple studies have shown school starts to go down hill at only 20% at-risk and by 40%+ at-risk it is very hard to get any kind of results without going to some sort of highly structure disciplined model ala KIPP/DC Prep.

Since DC is 50% risk making every school 50% at-risk accomplishes nothing

The non high at-risk areas need to be left alone and for areas that are high at-risk like EOTR the KIPP DC PREP model should be adopted by everyone. Frankly from a resource standpoint I would just turn over the entire system EOTR do DC Prep and KIPP. As it stands now no DCPS public middle or high school EOTR is successful at all. They are giant money pits. At the very least there needs to be more consolidation instead of spending millions on schools with less than 300 or even 200 students.

[Anonymous]

Even with a focus on Charters, there will still need to be DCPS schools to take on the students who the Charters expel. But I don't know enough about KIPP or DC PREP's disciplinary system -- maybe they find a way to retain them but still have orderly classrooms.