Damn this is some serious hefty diversity analytical shit on the DCPS planning site

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Anonymous wrote:There is like 76 pages of slides on diversity in schools, integration, policy approaches, and all that from the Strategic School Planning Advisory Board last week. It is a shitload of stuff to get through and it looks really, really interesting. (Just if that's your thing, rather than coming here to complain about why Upper NW doesn't have everything all the time.)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1E29tovOkKM5u9z7kH3Oyf4lvKivPiPKL/view

Really interesting, thanks for sharing.

This is a shocking stat: "Since 2008, DCPS has yearly enrolled 500 to 1,000 additional Hispanic/Latino and White students, while enrolling 600 fewer Black or African American students on average."

Also, it's bizarre that nearly 5% of DCPS students come from "unknown Ward." Even with divorced homes, the kids would be assigned to a Ward of a parent or relative.

It looks like DCPS is seriously considering adding At-Risk preference to the lottery. That said, with OOB seats basically disappearing at all desirable schools within the next 2-4 years, I'm not sure the preference will help all that much.

Still worth it. If it helps a family get into a school that THEY prefer (like for location or sibling togetherness) that can be a real benefit to them.

Look at slide 66:
If you make At-Risk the first priority in the lottery, it would have only added 17 kids to NW DCPS in grades K-5 in the 2018 lottery. That's not much of an impact and will continue to dwindle as new housing is added in NW DC.

So? It might help kids get into better schools EOTP than they otherwise would.

It’s perfect because ward 3 parents can support it and feel righteous despite it not affecting them at all.

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The materials say that an inability to identify at-risk students at the primary entry years in preschool is a big problem an at-risk preference in the lottery. I really hope they could find a way around that.

I would add an at-risk preference.

I would also do things to weaken geographic ties, e.g., at mandatory years they have to give you a seat in one of your three nearest schools, based on your address. There are options.

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Anonymous wrote:There is like 76 pages of slides on diversity in schools, integration, policy approaches, and all that from the Strategic School Planning Advisory Board last week. It is a shitload of stuff to get through and it looks really, really interesting. (Just if that's your thing, rather than coming here to complain about why Upper NW doesn't have everything all the time.)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1E29tovOkKM5u9z7kH3Oyf4lvKivPiPKL/view

Really interesting, thanks for sharing.

This is a shocking stat: "Since 2008, DCPS has yearly enrolled 500 to 1,000 additional Hispanic/Latino and White students, while enrolling 600 fewer Black or African American students on average."

Also, it's bizarre that nearly 5% of DCPS students come from "unknown Ward." Even with divorced homes, the kids would be assigned to a Ward of a parent or relative.

It looks like DCPS is seriously considering adding At-Risk preference to the lottery. That said, with OOB seats basically disappearing at all desirable schools within the next 2-4 years, I'm not sure the preference will help all that much.

Still worth it. If it helps a family get into a school that THEY prefer (like for location or sibling togetherness) that can be a real benefit to them.

Look at slide 66:
If you make At-Risk the first priority in the lottery, it would have only added 17 kids to NW DCPS in grades K-5 in the 2018 lottery. That's not much of an impact and will continue to dwindle as new housing is added in NW DC.

So? It might help kids get into better schools EOTP than they otherwise would.

It’s perfect because ward 3 parents can support it and feel righteous despite it not affecting them at all.

This is exactly why At-Risk alone isn't a winning option. DCPS will cram another major change into the system in the near future. My guess is that they eliminate by-right neighborhood elementary, instead assigning students to a cluster of potential elementary schools (the Louisville model). Each school will have a minimum At-Risk percentage floor (probably 10-15%). The student then lotteries into a school within their assigned cluster, with a guarantee of a seat at one of the schools. But, like the State Dept with 'hardship' postings, one or two schools in every assigned cluster will be in Ward 7 or 8. So you could potentially get Ward 2 kids 'losing' in their cluster lottery and being assigned to Ward 7.

It's not forced busing, but it will sting similarly for parents who don't get to attend their school a couple blocks away from their house.

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Anonymous wrote:There is like 76 pages of slides on diversity in schools, integration, policy approaches, and all that from the Strategic School Planning Advisory Board last week. It is a shitload of stuff to get through and it looks really, really interesting. (Just if that's your thing, rather than coming here to complain about why Upper NW doesn't have everything all the time.)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1E29tovOkKM5u9z7kH3Oyf4lvKivPiPKL/view

Really interesting, thanks for sharing.

This is a shocking stat: "Since 2008, DCPS has yearly enrolled 500 to 1,000 additional Hispanic/Latino and White students, while enrolling 600 fewer Black or African American students on average."

Also, it's bizarre that nearly 5% of DCPS students come from "unknown Ward." Even with divorced homes, the kids would be assigned to a Ward of a parent or relative.

It looks like DCPS is seriously considering adding At-Risk preference to the lottery. That said, with OOB seats basically disappearing at all desirable schools within the next 2-4 years, I'm not sure the preference will help all that much.

Not really bizarre. Half of kids in DC foster care are placed in Maryland but they still have a right to DC schools as they are wards of the state. Other kids are in homeless shelters temporarily.

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An at-risk preference above sibling will hurt larger at-risk families by separating kids. Better to do at risk IB with sibling, then at risk IB without sibling, then at risk OOB with sibling enrolled, then all the rest.

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Really interesting, thanks for sharing.

This is a shocking stat: "Since 2008, DCPS has yearly enrolled 500 to 1,000 additional Hispanic/Latino and White students, while enrolling 600 fewer Black or African American students on average."

Also, it's bizarre that nearly 5% of DCPS students come from "unknown Ward." Even with divorced homes, the kids would be assigned to a Ward of a parent or relative.

It looks like DCPS is seriously considering adding At-Risk preference to the lottery. That said, with OOB seats basically disappearing at all desirable schools within the next 2-4 years, I'm not sure the preference will help all that much.

The stat makes perfect sense - 2008 recession.
Law firms imploded.
People who thought they could afford private decided to "try out DCPS" to see if _[insert school name] ____ works for their kid.

This is why those of us not IB for Deal and Wilson really do not care that they are crowded due to private school economic refugees. If you don’t want crowding, go back to private like in the good old days.

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Really interesting, thanks for sharing.

This is a shocking stat: "Since 2008, DCPS has yearly enrolled 500 to 1,000 additional Hispanic/Latino and White students, while enrolling 600 fewer Black or African American students on average."

Also, it's bizarre that nearly 5% of DCPS students come from "unknown Ward." Even with divorced homes, the kids would be assigned to a Ward of a parent or relative.

It looks like DCPS is seriously considering adding At-Risk preference to the lottery. That said, with OOB seats basically disappearing at all desirable schools within the next 2-4 years, I'm not sure the preference will help all that much.

The stat makes perfect sense - 2008 recession.
Law firms imploded.
People who thought they could afford private decided to "try out DCPS" to see if _[insert school name] ____ works for their kid.

You can't leave out gentrification and displacement of AA as a reason for this shift. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/in-the-district-gentrification-means-widespread-displacement-report-says/2019/04/26/950a0c00-6775-11e9-8985-4cf30147bdca_story.html?utm_term=.8b9e5aea737b

"In most American cities, gentrification has not pushed low-income residents out of the city they call home, according to a study.

But Washington is not most cities.

In the District, low-income residents are being pushed out of neighborhoods at some of the highest rates in the country, according to the Institute on Metropolitan Opportunity, which sought to track demographic and economic changes in neighborhoods in the 50 largest U.S. cities from 2000 to 2016.

“For all the talk of gentrification happening in cities all over the country, what we found is that it really isn’t,” said Myron Orfield, director of the institute, founded at the University of Minnesota law school to investigate growing social and economic disparities in American cities. “Washington is one of the few places in the country where real displacement is actually occurring. It’s quite rare.”

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Really interesting, thanks for sharing.

This is a shocking stat: "Since 2008, DCPS has yearly enrolled 500 to 1,000 additional Hispanic/Latino and White students, while enrolling 600 fewer Black or African American students on average."

Also, it's bizarre that nearly 5% of DCPS students come from "unknown Ward." Even with divorced homes, the kids would be assigned to a Ward of a parent or relative.

It looks like DCPS is seriously considering adding At-Risk preference to the lottery. That said, with OOB seats basically disappearing at all desirable schools within the next 2-4 years, I'm not sure the preference will help all that much.

The stat makes perfect sense - 2008 recession.
Law firms imploded.
People who thought they could afford private decided to "try out DCPS" to see if _[insert school name] ____ works for their kid.

This is why those of us not IB for Deal and Wilson really do not care that they are crowded due to private school economic refugees. If you don’t want crowding, go back to private like in the good old days.

There are no privates to "go back to." The private schools have not increased capacity. Instead, they have increased costs to $50K/year and recruit wealthy foreigners. It's a double whammy for anyone who is a local and attended private schools in the DC area 25-30 years and want the same for their kids.

"We can always go private" isn't an option for households that makes less than $200K per year.

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Anonymous wrote:I would be all for the described lottery changes, making an at-risk preference the "heaviest-weight" preference, even above siblings.

I do not think it will happen because it clearly takes something away from non-at risk students, whose parents would make a lot of noise. There are only so many seats after all and this would be a zero-sum game.

It will also affect charters as well as the city-wide and DCPS application schools the most.

+1000. It is the right thing to do, it will balance school demographics and remedy a world of problems. My precious little sibling will be just fine waiting it out for preschool. As long as siblings get in for K, preschool elsewhere is normal and not a problem.

“As long as siblings get in for K.” LMAO

I know right? lol. such generosity. This at risk thing will never happen, because, I think now you see why. I am not a fan either and I think this utopianism is stupid. My lily white ass would move out of town before driving to two schools or going to my IB.

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Anonymous wrote:I would be all for the described lottery changes, making an at-risk preference the "heaviest-weight" preference, even above siblings.

I do not think it will happen because it clearly takes something away from non-at risk students, whose parents would make a lot of noise. There are only so many seats after all and this would be a zero-sum game.

It will also affect charters as well as the city-wide and DCPS application schools the most.

+1000. It is the right thing to do, it will balance school demographics and remedy a world of problems. My precious little sibling will be just fine waiting it out for preschool. As long as siblings get in for K, preschool elsewhere is normal and not a problem.

“As long as siblings get in for K.” LMAO

I know right? lol. such generosity. This at risk thing will never happen, because, I think now you see why. I am not a fan either and I think this utopianism is stupid. My lily white ass would move out of town before driving to two schools or going to my IB.

sorry but there is a right to K and up in a way that there is not for preschool. And having kids in separate schools indefinitely will cause people to leave DC.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem in a lot of cases I think is still mobility. Kids can't all just decide to get to Key or Lafayette even if they lottery for it.

This. Most At-Risk families won’t even look at schools outside of their neighborhoods especially not WOTP.

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An at-risk preference over sibling preference would have little effect in DCPS, because it would only really change things at SWS, CHML and in 9th at SWW, Banneker, McKinley, Ellington.

It would potentially be a significant change for charters

Think about how it could quickly change Washington Latin for example.

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What do people imagine happening with the application high schools? It is looking at the NYC model to replace reliance on tests with a plan to take the top 7% of all middle schoolers. Unlike NYC, every application high school in DC has a different application model.

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How would clusters work for K? There is only one school walk able for us. Are they going to bus?

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They can and in a act of stupidity might eliminate neighborhood schools. But that seem so much more complicated for all families than simply investing and improving all DCPS with equitable support services in place. Stop passing the buck and letting ptas fund jobs and things dcps should be paying for in all schools.
Let everyone still have a neighborhood school or small cluster in walking distance. Let siblings still have some preference for dcps schools. Make the other OBB seats have a preference for at risk students for sure. Make charts offer x% of at risk seats & / a neighbor preference.
Stop approving more charters until all dcps schools and charters become excellent schools.