WaPo magazine article on the lottery

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At the elementary level, when the majority of prospective IB students cannot get into their EOTP IB at PK3 and PK4 because 70% of seats are for OOB ELL, they rarely try to enroll when they can by-right.
In other words, at least EOTP, you can't blame those for leaving, when their peer cohort couldn't get in.

That is a example of why bilingual schools need to be citywide. Everyone should have an equal opportunity to access a specialized program.

+1000. Any specialized DCPS -- Montessori, dual language -- should not be a neighborhood school, as SWS and CHML are. I'd go further and say that at least 1 specialized school must be placed in each ward but be open to any student who lotteries in, with 2 lotteries (target language/English dominant) to fill the spaces evenly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wish there would be a citation for this stat.

... "That majority white Ward 3 has no charter schools — with their mandate to take applications from throughout the city — compounds the problem. So does the fact that white students make up only 15 percent of the city’s public school enrollment, while studies estimate that about half the city’s white students attend private schools. So one path to desegregating the city’s schools is persuading more white students to stay in the public sector. “There are choices white families are making that are reinforcing the status quo racially,” says Smith, the former deputy mayor for education...."

Write to the author for their source on this...they should be able to provide...

I don't think it's true.

On page 86 of the DME Master Facilities Plan (at https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/publication/attachments/DC%20MFP%202018.pdf ) they show the total school-age population of the city. On page 89 they show enrollment by sector. They don’t show private, but you can back it out by taking total kids and subtracting DCPS and PCS. (I realize this isn’t completely accurate but it is consistent across years.)

For 2017-18, I get:

DCPS 48,144
PCS 43,340
Total Public 91,484
Total Population 96,040
Private (imputed) 4,556

This page (https://dcps.dc.gov/page/dcps-glance-enrollment) has DCPS demographic stats.

For 2017-18 DCPS was 15% white. I haven't been able to quickly find a similar stat for charters.

But, even if charters had zero white kids, and 100% of the kids in privates where white -- neither of which is true -- there would be 11,778 white kids in DC and 4,556 of them would be private school kids, or 38.6%. The real number is probably substantially lower.

I may have to write a letter to the editor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To combine students from a high performing school and students of a low performing school and have it help the low performers, the ratio needs to be greater than 2:1, like maybe 75%+ high performing students.

I read that somewhere long ago; can’t remember the details. But the point is that the goal is not achieved without a super-majority of students coming from a high-performing school.

It didn’t have as much to do with that as they took kids form a failing system and put them in a strong system. Failing kids from a strong systems will fail even when moved around

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wish there would be a citation for this stat.

... "That majority white Ward 3 has no charter schools — with their mandate to take applications from throughout the city — compounds the problem. So does the fact that white students make up only 15 percent of the city’s public school enrollment, while studies estimate that about half the city’s white students attend private schools. So one path to desegregating the city’s schools is persuading more white students to stay in the public sector. “There are choices white families are making that are reinforcing the status quo racially,” says Smith, the former deputy mayor for education...."

Write to the author for their source on this...they should be able to provide...

I don't think it's true.

On page 86 of the DME Master Facilities Plan (at https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/publication/attachments/DC%20MFP%202018.pdf ) they show the total school-age population of the city. On page 89 they show enrollment by sector. They don’t show private, but you can back it out by taking total kids and subtracting DCPS and PCS. (I realize this isn’t completely accurate but it is consistent across years.)

For 2017-18, I get:

DCPS 48,144
PCS 43,340
Total Public 91,484
Total Population 96,040
Private (imputed) 4,556

This page (https://dcps.dc.gov/page/dcps-glance-enrollment) has DCPS demographic stats.

For 2017-18 DCPS was 15% white. I haven't been able to quickly find a similar stat for charters.

But, even if charters had zero white kids, and 100% of the kids in privates where white -- neither of which is true -- there would be 11,778 white kids in DC and 4,556 of them would be private school kids, or 38.6%. The real number is probably substantially lower.

I may have to write a letter to the editor.



My guess this is lazily basing it on the total number of white kids at DC private schools without taking into account students from MD and Virginia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At the elementary level, when the majority of prospective IB students cannot get into their EOTP IB at PK3 and PK4 because 70% of seats are for OOB ELL, they rarely try to enroll when they can by-right.
In other words, at least EOTP, you can't blame those for leaving, when their peer cohort couldn't get in.

This is only true for dual language schools, where you have a lottery that assigns 50% of the slots to English dominant kids and 50% to Spanish dominant.

We are at a dual language school EOTP. Most IB kids get in, and most of our Spanish dominant admits are IB.

Bruce Monroe is a 60/40 split in favor of Pa ish don in PK. And most are OOB. And no there is a not a wave if I. FMilies coming back in K. If anything the school becomes even more Spanish dominant past K.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wish there would be a citation for this stat.

... "That majority white Ward 3 has no charter schools — with their mandate to take applications from throughout the city — compounds the problem. So does the fact that white students make up only 15 percent of the city’s public school enrollment, while studies estimate that about half the city’s white students attend private schools. So one path to desegregating the city’s schools is persuading more white students to stay in the public sector. “There are choices white families are making that are reinforcing the status quo racially,” says Smith, the former deputy mayor for education...."

Write to the author for their source on this...they should be able to provide...

I don't think it's true.

On page 86 of the DME Master Facilities Plan (at https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/publication/attachments/DC%20MFP%202018.pdf ) they show the total school-age population of the city. On page 89 they show enrollment by sector. They don’t show private, but you can back it out by taking total kids and subtracting DCPS and PCS. (I realize this isn’t completely accurate but it is consistent across years.)

For 2017-18, I get:

DCPS 48,144
PCS 43,340
Total Public 91,484
Total Population 96,040
Private (imputed) 4,556

This page (https://dcps.dc.gov/page/dcps-glance-enrollment) has DCPS demographic stats.

For 2017-18 DCPS was 15% white. I haven't been able to quickly find a similar stat for charters.

But, even if charters had zero white kids, and 100% of the kids in privates where white -- neither of which is true -- there would be 11,778 white kids in DC and 4,556 of them would be private school kids, or 38.6%. The real number is probably substantially lower.

I may have to write a letter to the editor.

My guess this is lazily basing it on the total number of white kids at DC private schools without taking into account students from MD and Virginia.

Sourcing through some articles, I think it comes from this study, which is based on 2011-12 data: https://docs.google.com/viewerng/viewer?url=http://www.shankerinstitute.org/sites/shanker/files/DCSEGfinal_2.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At the elementary level, when the majority of prospective IB students cannot get into their EOTP IB at PK3 and PK4 because 70% of seats are for OOB ELL, they rarely try to enroll when they can by-right.
In other words, at least EOTP, you can't blame those for leaving, when their peer cohort couldn't get in.

This is only true for dual language schools, where you have a lottery that assigns 50% of the slots to English dominant kids and 50% to Spanish dominant.

We are at a dual language school EOTP. Most IB kids get in, and most of our Spanish dominant admits are IB.

Bruce Monroe is a 60/40 split in favor of Pa ish don in PK. And most are OOB. And no there is a not a wave if I. FMilies coming back in K. If anything the school becomes even more Spanish dominant past K.

This will change. I know several English-dominant families who are IB for BMPV, got shut of PK3/4 lottery, but plan to go back for K.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At the elementary level, when the majority of prospective IB students cannot get into their EOTP IB at PK3 and PK4 because 70% of seats are for OOB ELL, they rarely try to enroll when they can by-right.
In other words, at least EOTP, you can't blame those for leaving, when their peer cohort couldn't get in.

That is a example of why bilingual schools need to be citywide. Everyone should have an equal opportunity to access a specialized program.

+1000. Any specialized DCPS -- Montessori, dual language -- should not be a neighborhood school, as SWS and CHML are. I'd go further and say that at least 1 specialized school must be placed in each ward but be open to any student who lotteries in, with 2 lotteries (target language/English dominant) to fill the spaces evenly.

+1000 more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Only 27% are enrolled in their IB school."

So despite hundreds of millions in renovations, expansion of Pk3, students returning to DCPS for HS ... the percentage of students attending their IB has only increased 2% since the last boundary review.

For the last time, parent don’t choose schools based on renovations!! If it’s underperforming, lacks rigor etc, no one cares how shiny and new it is.

THIS. If you had two schools that had relatively equally good performance and convenience as far as location, I'd pick the school with the nicer facility - but unless a school is literally falling apart, the building it is in would be very low on my list of considerations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Eyeroll. There are choices DCPS is making that cause people to leave if they can. Do something about the widespread incompetence and corruption and maybe more people would stay.

That’s what fuels your choice, sure, but her point stands that individual choices of white families perpetuate the status quo.

How many white kids would you need to make a school like Ballou not a dropout mill? Even if those kids came in what would that do for the current kids, nothing it would just hide their failures under successes. White kids make schools attractive they don’t help poor struggling kids, I’ll never get why people don’t understand this. Also there aren’t enough white kids so at what point does the buck stop ?

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