Accepted to Magnet and Coming From W-Feeder

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Anonymous wrote:Well one of the Potomac CES schools used to send over half its class to the MS magnet and those were mostly Asian kids. This school and these kids consistently have the highest PARCC and MAP scores in the county. With the new change, only 1 or 2 kids were admitted.

You’re talking about last year. The question is this year.

Exactly, not that an anonymous post proves anything anyway, but so far no across the board 99s and rejection stories. There are people with one really good score and two mediocre scores, but not a slam dunk. There are people with well rounded but not perfect scores who are a little surprised their kid got in. Sounds like the process went smoother this year.

Of course, there are many 4*99% rejection. People are already used to it based on last year’s experience and can joke about it. It’s kind of an honor roll now.

Last year, MCPS did not report the MCPS averages, only National averages. I suspect many of the cross the board 99% rejections last year were not 99% across the board for the MCPS pool. That is why MCPS reported the new data this year and most likely why the board hasn't blown up compared to last year.

There are still many 99% rejections based on MCPS %. I am curious if there are a good number of MCPS 99% in all three sections.

Based on what evidence? It is not clear to me if many of the posts are MCPS %'s.

Based on my social network. But I don’t know anyone with 3*99% MCPS rejection. But the previous post just broaden my horizon.

I think we are saying the same thing. I know across the board 99% national kids but haven't seen any evidence of across the board 99% MCPS avg kids.

Cold Spring CES parent here: yes, we have 99% MCPS avg kids being rejected.

Interesting; is it a couple or a lot? I wish they would post stats, including MAP and PARCC. I think MCPS placed caps on each home MS. For example, only 2 or 3 kids from each school. This allows them to take 1 or 2 non-CES kids along with 1 or 2 CES kids to home MS. Last year there seemed to be no school that had a lot of kids go the MS magnets (TPMS or Eastern). This problem happened for upcounty schools this year too.

*should have said that I wonder is this problem happened for upcounty....

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Anonymous wrote:Well one of the Potomac CES schools used to send over half its class to the MS magnet and those were mostly Asian kids. This school and these kids consistently have the highest PARCC and MAP scores in the county. With the new change, only 1 or 2 kids were admitted.

You’re talking about last year. The question is this year.

Exactly, not that an anonymous post proves anything anyway, but so far no across the board 99s and rejection stories. There are people with one really good score and two mediocre scores, but not a slam dunk. There are people with well rounded but not perfect scores who are a little surprised their kid got in. Sounds like the process went smoother this year.

Of course, there are many 4*99% rejection. People are already used to it based on last year’s experience and can joke about it. It’s kind of an honor roll now.

Last year, MCPS did not report the MCPS averages, only National averages. I suspect many of the cross the board 99% rejections last year were not 99% across the board for the MCPS pool. That is why MCPS reported the new data this year and most likely why the board hasn't blown up compared to last year.

There are still many 99% rejections based on MCPS %. I am curious if there are a good number of MCPS 99% in all three sections.

Based on what evidence? It is not clear to me if many of the posts are MCPS %'s.

Based on my social network. But I don’t know anyone with 3*99% MCPS rejection. But the previous post just broaden my horizon.

I think we are saying the same thing. I know across the board 99% national kids but haven't seen any evidence of across the board 99% MCPS avg kids.

Cold Spring CES parent here: yes, we have 99% MCPS avg kids being rejected.

Cold Spring Parent -- did all the kids with 99% MCPS in all three categories (or maybe 98 in one category) get rejected, or did one or two get in and others rejected? Last year, I believe it was reported that the very top scoring Cold Spring kids were not the ones who got in from Cold Spring -- i.e. the ones with 99s (national) across the board plus the highest MAP and PARCC scores at Cold Spring were not the ones who got in from Cold Spring. If that happened again, do you think they are trying to keep the tippy top Cold Spring kids together as a cohort? That would make sense if they were then given enriched instruction as a cohort, but I doubt that is happening!

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Anonymous wrote:Well one of the Potomac CES schools used to send over half its class to the MS magnet and those were mostly Asian kids. This school and these kids consistently have the highest PARCC and MAP scores in the county. With the new change, only 1 or 2 kids were admitted.

You’re talking about last year. The question is this year.

Exactly, not that an anonymous post proves anything anyway, but so far no across the board 99s and rejection stories. There are people with one really good score and two mediocre scores, but not a slam dunk. There are people with well rounded but not perfect scores who are a little surprised their kid got in. Sounds like the process went smoother this year.

Of course, there are many 4*99% rejection. People are already used to it based on last year’s experience and can joke about it. It’s kind of an honor roll now.

Last year, MCPS did not report the MCPS averages, only National averages. I suspect many of the cross the board 99% rejections last year were not 99% across the board for the MCPS pool. That is why MCPS reported the new data this year and most likely why the board hasn't blown up compared to last year.

There are still many 99% rejections based on MCPS %. I am curious if there are a good number of MCPS 99% in all three sections.

Based on what evidence? It is not clear to me if many of the posts are MCPS %'s.

Based on my social network. But I don’t know anyone with 3*99% MCPS rejection. But the previous post just broaden my horizon.

I think we are saying the same thing. I know across the board 99% national kids but haven't seen any evidence of across the board 99% MCPS avg kids.

Cold Spring CES parent here: yes, we have 99% MCPS avg kids being rejected.

Cold Spring Parent -- did all the kids with 99% MCPS in all three categories (or maybe 98 in one category) get rejected, or did one or two get in and others rejected? Last year, I believe it was reported that the very top scoring Cold Spring kids were not the ones who got in from Cold Spring -- i.e. the ones with 99s (national) across the board plus the highest MAP and PARCC scores at Cold Spring were not the ones who got in from Cold Spring. If that happened again, do you think they are trying to keep the tippy top Cold Spring kids together as a cohort? That would make sense if they were then given enriched instruction as a cohort, but I doubt that is happening!

This isn't possible since CES kids go to different middle schools (unless all 'tippy top' kids happen to come from one MS)

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Cold spring CES will break into three middle schools. They have large so called cohort class at least 60 students in each subject in each school.

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Cold Spring Parent -- did all the kids with 99% MCPS in all three categories (or maybe 98 in one category) get rejected, or did one or two get in and others rejected? Last year, I believe it was reported that the very top scoring Cold Spring kids were not the ones who got in from Cold Spring -- i.e. the ones with 99s (national) across the board plus the highest MAP and PARCC scores at Cold Spring were not the ones who got in from Cold Spring.

Why so picky on CES kids? They have been in CES, so they have to get sky high score to have little chance to get in? Plus, I think I read it in other post, it says that the extra curriculum they learned during CES are not the things that are tested in the magnet school admission selection.

I wonder, compare with their home school peers, the CES kids get less or the same chance to get in the magnet middle school?

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Cold Spring Parent -- did all the kids with 99% MCPS in all three categories (or maybe 98 in one category) get rejected, or did one or two get in and others rejected? Last year, I believe it was reported that the very top scoring Cold Spring kids were not the ones who got in from Cold Spring -- i.e. the ones with 99s (national) across the board plus the highest MAP and PARCC scores at Cold Spring were not the ones who got in from Cold Spring.

Why so picky on CES kids? They have been in CES, so they have to get sky high score to have little chance to get in? Plus, I think I read it in other post, it says that the extra curriculum they learned during CES are not the things that are tested in the magnet school admission selection.

I wonder, compare with their home school peers, the CES kids get less or the same chance to get in the magnet middle school?

Like what has been suggested in another thread, the selection committee tries to spread the quota as evenly as possible to all MSs in the catchment area, so the result is indeed a "punishment" to CES students.

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Cold Spring Parent -- did all the kids with 99% MCPS in all three categories (or maybe 98 in one category) get rejected, or did one or two get in and others rejected? Last year, I believe it was reported that the very top scoring Cold Spring kids were not the ones who got in from Cold Spring -- i.e. the ones with 99s (national) across the board plus the highest MAP and PARCC scores at Cold Spring were not the ones who got in from Cold Spring.

Why so picky on CES kids? They have been in CES, so they have to get sky high score to have little chance to get in? Plus, I think I read it in other post, it says that the extra curriculum they learned during CES are not the things that are tested in the magnet school admission selection.

I wonder, compare with their home school peers, the CES kids get less or the same chance to get in the magnet middle school?

Like what has been suggested in another thread, the selection committee tries to spread the quota as evenly as possible to all MSs in the catchment area, so the result is indeed a "punishment" to CES students.

It's based on HOME middle school. Which is the same whether you're at the CES or at your home elementary school.

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I interpret the cold spring case as 99% MCPS across the board rejection. There are many 99% national across board rejection at cold spring.

I find it hard to believe there are "many" rejected. Not even waitlisted? MCPS said there were something like 6500 students tested. I don't remember the exact number but this is probably close and the top 1 percentile of that is 65 students. Aren't 130-140 students admitted to TPMS and 130-140 to Eastern with some kids admitted to both?

They would have a really hard just justifying that a child with 99th percentile on all three Cogat subscores has a peer cohort. By their own definition, a peer cohort is 20 or more kids with similar profiles. I would be shocked to see data that shows that there are 20 or more 1 percentilers at one MS.

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I interpret the cold spring case as 99% MCPS across the board rejection. There are many 99% national across board rejection at cold spring.

I find it hard to believe there are "many" rejected. Not even waitlisted? MCPS said there were something like 6500 students tested. I don't remember the exact number but this is probably close and the top 1 percentile of that is 65 students. Aren't 130-140 students admitted to TPMS and 130-140 to Eastern with some kids admitted to both?

They would have a really hard just justifying that a child with 99th percentile on all three Cogat subscores has a peer cohort. By their own definition, a peer cohort is 20 or more kids with similar profiles. I would be shocked to see data that shows that there are 20 or more 1 percentilers at one MS.

Agree, and of course the number receiving a 99 in all three subscores would be much lower than 65. There have been posters saying their kid got a 99 on one test and 80s on another, which should be far more common.

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So basically, MCPS has gone back to providing a way to distinguish among kids in the 99th percentile nationally, by giving that MCPS percentile score. Prior to last year, they used to give a more precise COGAT score (can’t remember the name) — I think the highest score was 160 and 135-160 were all scores within the 99th percentile. Last year, they didn’t calculate or release that score and only gave the national percentiles, and there was an outcry about that. I’m glad they are giving more precise information this year.

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Anonymous wrote:So basically, MCPS has gone back to providing a way to distinguish among kids in the 99th percentile nationally, by giving that MCPS percentile score. Prior to last year, they used to give a more precise COGAT score (can’t remember the name) — I think the highest score was 160 and 135-160 were all scores within the 99th percentile. Last year, they didn’t calculate or release that score and only gave the national percentiles, and there was an outcry about that. I’m glad they are giving more precise information this year.

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Anonymous wrote:Well one of the Potomac CES schools used to send over half its class to the MS magnet and those were mostly Asian kids. This school and these kids consistently have the highest PARCC and MAP scores in the county. With the new change, only 1 or 2 kids were admitted.

You’re talking about last year. The question is this year.

Exactly, not that an anonymous post proves anything anyway, but so far no across the board 99s and rejection stories. There are people with one really good score and two mediocre scores, but not a slam dunk. There are people with well rounded but not perfect scores who are a little surprised their kid got in. Sounds like the process went smoother this year.

Check the other post from the Barnsley CES. Only one acceptance so far was reported from that CES. I have a kid in Cold Spring CES, and so far less than 5 acceptance from two classes. I've heard at least two cases with 99% crossboard being rejected, not even waitpooled, this year.

I know with changes like universal screening it's difficult to get a clear view of how things may have changed, but historically Cold Spring did have one of the largest cohorts in the county so it isn't a surprise that there are fewer true outliers there. I'd imagine with such a strong cohort the home MS could easily provide magnet-quality programming to the kids who are ready for it.

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Anonymous wrote:So basically, MCPS has gone back to providing a way to distinguish among kids in the 99th percentile nationally, by giving that MCPS percentile score. Prior to last year, they used to give a more precise COGAT score (can’t remember the name) — I think the highest score was 160 and 135-160 were all scores within the 99th percentile. Last year, they didn’t calculate or release that score and only gave the national percentiles, and there was an outcry about that. I’m glad they are giving more precise information this year.

Actually, I think this is a good idea! My kid was rejected from a CES last year with 99% across the board on the screener; it would have been helpful to know how that 99% stacked against other MCPS applicants.

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Check the other post from the Barnsley CES. Only one acceptance so far was reported from that CES. I have a kid in Cold Spring CES, and so far less than 5 acceptance from two classes. I've heard at least two cases with 99% crossboard being rejected, not even waitpooled, this year.

Its ridiculous that a kid who scores 99% across the board gets rejected while a kid who scores 96% gets in.