Season 2 of “Marvelous Mrs. Maizel” starts tomorrow!!

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Anonymous wrote:^^ that she would stand on a chair during her friend’s wedding reception and start her stand up...pathologically self-absorbed! I don’t know if the show’s writers intend for her to be insufferable or loveable. She’s definitely the former.

I think the difference between hating her and enjoying her is whether or not you are able to look at things from a historical perspective, or only able to view things from the filter of 2018.

I disagree. Very little in this show is actually historically accurate, as far as the behavior of the characters. If you put all of that aside, it's fun to watch, but it's definitely not some kind of window into what the 1950's were actually like.

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I love how the Catskills was like family summer camp, but high-end, with dinner and dancing every night. Corny fun. I wish we still had something like it these days.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the Catskills was like family summer camp, but high-end, with dinner and dancing every night. Corny fun. I wish we still had something like it these days.

Cruises are like that but less corny. DH and I dance a lot and I do think it's more of a lost art now, back then everyone knew how.

I wonder a lot about the childcare. Everyone just expects Zelda to do it. How does that poor woman cook, clean and take care of these kids all day? She's there until late at night too.

I was kind of shocked at her performance at the wedding. She acts like she forgot there was a Priest present, but she grew up around Rabbis and you wouldn't say those things in front of them either.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the Catskills was like family summer camp, but high-end, with dinner and dancing every night. Corny fun. I wish we still had something like it these days.

There are still places like that in the Catskills!!! The Irish-American community in East Durham has them. We used to stay at Gavins’ Golden Hill House every summer for a week and it was loads of fun. Live band and dancing every night.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ that she would stand on a chair during her friend’s wedding reception and start her stand up...pathologically self-absorbed! I don’t know if the show’s writers intend for her to be insufferable or loveable. She’s definitely the former.

I think the difference between hating her and enjoying her is whether or not you are able to look at things from a historical perspective, or only able to view things from the filter of 2018.

I disagree. I think that the character intentionally walks a fine line--she's charming and funny, and she means well, but she's also self-centered and neurotic. Her speech at her friend's wedding was AWFUL, and it was presented as awful, and you see later that her friend has not forgiven her and won't even talk to her. And she misses her friend's baby shower, and her mom leaves the whole mess for her to clean up herself.

I feel like in real life, she'd be popular and you'd love to spend time with her, but you'd also roll your eyes at her a lot, and she really would hurt a lot of people. Just like she does in a show set in the late 50s.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love how the Catskills was like family summer camp, but high-end, with dinner and dancing every night. Corny fun. I wish we still had something like it these days.

Cruises are like that but less corny. DH and I dance a lot and I do think it's more of a lost art now, back then everyone knew how.

I wonder a lot about the childcare. Everyone just expects Zelda to do it. How does that poor woman cook, clean and take care of these kids all day? She's there until late at night too.

I was kind of shocked at her performance at the wedding. She acts like she forgot there was a Priest present, but she grew up around Rabbis and you wouldn't say those things in front of them either.

+1
The childcare issue *really* bothers me. I get that this is just a silly, fluffy show and we're not to think too deeply about it or take it seriously. But honestly, the kids are less than props even. No one ever interacts with them (though we occasionally will see Midge patting one on the head or reading to one briefly). I agree with a PP who said this show would be more enjoyable (and believable) if she hadn't had kids yet. As a mom, all I can think about is "Where are the kids? Who's watching the kids??" Not only Midge, but her parents seem completely disinterested in them.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ that she would stand on a chair during her friend’s wedding reception and start her stand up...pathologically self-absorbed! I don’t know if the show’s writers intend for her to be insufferable or loveable. She’s definitely the former.

I think the difference between hating her and enjoying her is whether or not you are able to look at things from a historical perspective, or only able to view things from the filter of 2018.

I disagree. I think that the character intentionally walks a fine line--she's charming and funny, and she means well, but she's also self-centered and neurotic. Her speech at her friend's wedding was AWFUL, and it was presented as awful, and you see later that her friend has not forgiven her and won't even talk to her. And she misses her friend's baby shower, and her mom leaves the whole mess for her to clean up herself.

I feel like in real life, she'd be popular and you'd love to spend time with her, but you'd also roll your eyes at her a lot, and she really would hurt a lot of people. Just like she does in a show set in the late 50s.

+100

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love how the Catskills was like family summer camp, but high-end, with dinner and dancing every night. Corny fun. I wish we still had something like it these days.

Cruises are like that but less corny. DH and I dance a lot and I do think it's more of a lost art now, back then everyone knew how.

I wonder a lot about the childcare. Everyone just expects Zelda to do it. How does that poor woman cook, clean and take care of these kids all day? She's there until late at night too.

I was kind of shocked at her performance at the wedding. She acts like she forgot there was a Priest present, but she grew up around Rabbis and you wouldn't say those things in front of them either.

+1
The childcare issue *really* bothers me. I get that this is just a silly, fluffy show and we're not to think too deeply about it or take it seriously. But honestly, the kids are less than props even. No one ever interacts with them (though we occasionally will see Midge patting one on the head or reading to one briefly). I agree with a PP who said this show would be more enjoyable (and believable) if she hadn't had kids yet. As a mom, all I can think about is "Where are the kids? Who's watching the kids??" Not only Midge, but her parents seem completely disinterested in them.

This should be a different thread, but that's probably the most realistic part of the show. In my family (UMC with a SAHM) in the 50s, kids were never read to. They didn't eat dinner with the parents. The moms went off and played cards/social functions with their friends and the kids just played outside all day. Very young kids like Esther tagged along with the housekeeper during the day, but didn't get too much attention either. Parents went out at night without anyone watching the sleeping kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Mirium's father Abe is SPOT ON this season. He's hilarious!!

Tony shalhoub is perfect in everything he does.

+1

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I found the last episode heart breaking. Essentially she's in that incredibly large closet with the clothes and the dad comes in to say she can marry Benjamin -- and it's like in that moment that she realizes that as a woman you get one or the other. You get the husband or the career but you don't get both. And you realize that Sophie Lennon only got the career, the painter in the previous episode only got the career.

The song about being alone is about having to choose and it's heartbreaking in the 1950's that someone that talented had to choose and it's heartbreaking how many women still have to choose today. When I joined the foreign service in the 1990's, all the guys showed up engaged with a fiancee and all the women had just been dumped by a guy who had no intention of giving up his career to go abroad.

Scary thing is that that I met a class of new foreign service officers recently and the distribution was pretty much the same. Single women and guys with SAHMs.

I think that Midge realizes that either she breaks up with Ben or he breaks up with her because this clearly isn't what he signed up for. He wanted a doctor's wife, not a lady with a career.

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I agree with this assessment

Anonymous wrote:I found the last episode heart breaking. Essentially she's in that incredibly large closet with the clothes and the dad comes in to say she can marry Benjamin -- and it's like in that moment that she realizes that as a woman you get one or the other. You get the husband or the career but you don't get both. And you realize that Sophie Lennon only got the career, the painter in the previous episode only got the career.

The song about being alone is about having to choose and it's heartbreaking in the 1950's that someone that talented had to choose and it's heartbreaking how many women still have to choose today. When I joined the foreign service in the 1990's, all the guys showed up engaged with a fiancee and all the women had just been dumped by a guy who had no intention of giving up his career to go abroad.

Scary thing is that that I met a class of new foreign service officers recently and the distribution was pretty much the same. Single women and guys with SAHMs.

I think that Midge realizes that either she breaks up with Ben or he breaks up with her because this clearly isn't what he signed up for. He wanted a doctor's wife, not a lady with a career.

versus this one.

Anonymous wrote:I like the show, was happy to binge season two but am disappointed. It’s really starting to bug me that she is leaving her kids for six months and they don’t even factor into her equation. I really wish the show creator didn’t give her kids yet.

And I love the doctor. She dumped him without even giving him a chance to accept or reject her leaving for tour.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with this assessment

Anonymous wrote:I found the last episode heart breaking. Essentially she's in that incredibly large closet with the clothes and the dad comes in to say she can marry Benjamin -- and it's like in that moment that she realizes that as a woman you get one or the other. You get the husband or the career but you don't get both. And you realize that Sophie Lennon only got the career, the painter in the previous episode only got the career.

The song about being alone is about having to choose and it's heartbreaking in the 1950's that someone that talented had to choose and it's heartbreaking how many women still have to choose today. When I joined the foreign service in the 1990's, all the guys showed up engaged with a fiancee and all the women had just been dumped by a guy who had no intention of giving up his career to go abroad.

Scary thing is that that I met a class of new foreign service officers recently and the distribution was pretty much the same. Single women and guys with SAHMs.

I think that Midge realizes that either she breaks up with Ben or he breaks up with her because this clearly isn't what he signed up for. He wanted a doctor's wife, not a lady with a career.

versus this one.

Anonymous wrote:I like the show, was happy to binge season two but am disappointed. It’s really starting to bug me that she is leaving her kids for six months and they don’t even factor into her equation. I really wish the show creator didn’t give her kids yet.

And I love the doctor. She dumped him without even giving him a chance to accept or reject her leaving for tour.

Spot on. The build up and progression this season was brilliant. The cringing at the wedding speech and the random artist episode, the reintroduction of Sophie, the friend’s baby—it all leads up to the finale.

She realizes that, without a second thought for anyone else (Benjamin, her kids, anyone else or her whole life in NY), she decides to prioritize her career. In a split second, she instinctively says yes to something that will catapult her into fame and fortune, but will cost her everyone. She will be alone and has accepted that price, the second it was offered to her. What I love about the final scene with Joel is that she acknowledges how quickly she made that choice, without any hesitation.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with this assessment

Anonymous wrote:I found the last episode heart breaking. Essentially she's in that incredibly large closet with the clothes and the dad comes in to say she can marry Benjamin -- and it's like in that moment that she realizes that as a woman you get one or the other. You get the husband or the career but you don't get both. And you realize that Sophie Lennon only got the career, the painter in the previous episode only got the career.

The song about being alone is about having to choose and it's heartbreaking in the 1950's that someone that talented had to choose and it's heartbreaking how many women still have to choose today. When I joined the foreign service in the 1990's, all the guys showed up engaged with a fiancee and all the women had just been dumped by a guy who had no intention of giving up his career to go abroad.

Scary thing is that that I met a class of new foreign service officers recently and the distribution was pretty much the same. Single women and guys with SAHMs.

I think that Midge realizes that either she breaks up with Ben or he breaks up with her because this clearly isn't what he signed up for. He wanted a doctor's wife, not a lady with a career.

versus this one.

Anonymous wrote:I like the show, was happy to binge season two but am disappointed. It’s really starting to bug me that she is leaving her kids for six months and they don’t even factor into her equation. I really wish the show creator didn’t give her kids yet.

And I love the doctor. She dumped him without even giving him a chance to accept or reject her leaving for tour.

Sorry I messed up the formatting on the last post. Try again.

Spot on. The build up and progression this season was brilliant. The cringing at the wedding speech and the random artist episode, the reintroduction of Sophie, the friend’s baby—it all leads up to the finale.

She realizes that, without a second thought for anyone else (Benjamin, her kids, anyone else or her whole life in NY), she decides to prioritize her career. In a split second, she instinctively says yes to something that will catapult her into fame and fortune, but will cost her everyone. She will be alone and has accepted that price, the second it was offered to her. What I love about the final scene with Joel is that she acknowledges how quickly she made that choice, without any hesitation.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love how the Catskills was like family summer camp, but high-end, with dinner and dancing every night. Corny fun. I wish we still had something like it these days.

Cruises are like that but less corny. DH and I dance a lot and I do think it's more of a lost art now, back then everyone knew how.

I wonder a lot about the childcare. Everyone just expects Zelda to do it. How does that poor woman cook, clean and take care of these kids all day? She's there until late at night too.

I was kind of shocked at her performance at the wedding. She acts like she forgot there was a Priest present, but she grew up around Rabbis and you wouldn't say those things in front of them either.

+1
The childcare issue *really* bothers me. I get that this is just a silly, fluffy show and we're not to think too deeply about it or take it seriously. But honestly, the kids are less than props even. No one ever interacts with them (though we occasionally will see Midge patting one on the head or reading to one briefly). I agree with a PP who said this show would be more enjoyable (and believable) if she hadn't had kids yet. As a mom, all I can think about is "Where are the kids? Who's watching the kids??" Not only Midge, but her parents seem completely disinterested in them.

This should be a different thread, but that's probably the most realistic part of the show. In my family (UMC with a SAHM) in the 50s, kids were never read to. They didn't eat dinner with the parents. The moms went off and played cards/social functions with their friends and the kids just played outside all day. Very young kids like Esther tagged along with the housekeeper during the day, but didn't get too much attention either. Parents went out at night without anyone watching the sleeping kids.

I find it funny that people have a hard time remembering that children weren't coddled and worshipped in ways that they are today. The whole schlep with minding children and living your entire existence for them is very very recent in human history.

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Questions After Finale:

1. In both seasons 1 and 2, there are allusions made to Abe's political past, which I am guessing was involvement in the Socialist and/or Communist party pre-Stalinist purges/McCartyhism. If so, why did he hire Midge's constitutional/criminal lawyer from Season 1?

2. Does Joel have siblings? Who is going to run his father's company if he becomes a club owner?

3. Can Susie manage Sophie AND go to Europe with Midge?

4. Will Rose stay with Abe if she can't study at Columbia or live in her apartment?

5. Who will watch the children while Midge is in Europe if Zelda isn't around?

6. Will Ettenberg wait for Midge? He doesn't seem the type looking for a normal doctor's wife.

7. Will Midge want Ettenberg to wait for her after Joel?

8. Will Susie's father come out of the woodwork? If so, who is he?

9. What is Noah working on?

10. Will Midge obtain domestic success after Europe?