Article: Why Can't Allyson Get Ahead?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So free is ok, but paying you to take it is racist?

Free birth control for all who want it is fine.

Paying someone an incentive to be on birth control is a type of coercion. We don't need to be doing that.

Honestly, if the offer of free birth control with a cash incentive for all who wanted it were made available across the country just as a matter of course? I'd be OK with that. As long as it was available to everyone regardless of race I wouldn't think it was racist.

It was available to those receiving public assistance, not just certain races receiving assistance, but see how people keep twisting it?

The only qualification was those receiving assistance, so it was available to everyone regardless of race, that met that qualification.

Also, I said if EVERYONE, every woman, in our county were offered a financial incentive to use free birth control, I'd be OK with it. Not just those receiving public assistance. We are still, I believe, a majority white country and so this policy would not affect blacks or other minorities disproportionately. Also it could just be seen as a policy in effect for all our female citizens. I think it would be so smart.

Have public clinics where women can go for free-to-them checkups if need be, and free-to-them birth control.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So free is ok, but paying you to take it is racist?

Free birth control for all who want it is fine.

Paying someone an incentive to be on birth control is a type of coercion. We don't need to be doing that.

Honestly, if the offer of free birth control with a cash incentive for all who wanted it were made available across the country just as a matter of course? I'd be OK with that. As long as it was available to everyone regardless of race I wouldn't think it was racist.

It was available to those receiving public assistance, not just certain races receiving assistance, but see how people keep twisting it?

The only qualification was those receiving assistance, so it was available to everyone regardless of race, that met that qualification.

Also, I said if EVERYONE, every woman, in our county were offered a financial incentive to use free birth control, I'd be OK with it. Not just those receiving public assistance. We are still, I believe, a majority white country and so this policy would not affect blacks or other minorities disproportionately. Also it could just be seen as a policy in effect for all our female citizens. I think it would be so smart.

Have public clinics where women can go for free-to-them checkups if need be, and free-to-them birth control.

Personally, I think men who receive any form of welfare, or fall more than one month behind on child support should be required to get vasectomies. Then, we can talk about controlling women.

[Anonymous]

I also was religiously taking birth control correctly, same time every day, and got pregnant at 38. BC is not 100% effective even with perfect use. Being AMA didn't work out for not getting pregnant either.

She seems like a smart girl and a good mom. I hope things work out for her. I do think abortion should be easier to obtain. She was not in a good position to have a baby.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So free is ok, but paying you to take it is racist?

Free birth control for all who want it is fine.

Paying someone an incentive to be on birth control is a type of coercion. We don't need to be doing that.

Honestly, if the offer of free birth control with a cash incentive for all who wanted it were made available across the country just as a matter of course? I'd be OK with that. As long as it was available to everyone regardless of race I wouldn't think it was racist.

It was available to those receiving public assistance, not just certain races receiving assistance, but see how people keep twisting it?

The only qualification was those receiving assistance, so it was available to everyone regardless of race, that met that qualification.

Also, I said if EVERYONE, every woman, in our county were offered a financial incentive to use free birth control, I'd be OK with it. Not just those receiving public assistance. We are still, I believe, a majority white country and so this policy would not affect blacks or other minorities disproportionately. Also it could just be seen as a policy in effect for all our female citizens. I think it would be so smart.

Have public clinics where women can go for free-to-them checkups if need be, and free-to-them birth control.

You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make them drink. But you can make them drink by withholding benefits with each pregnancy and mandatory sterilization after the second irresponsible pregnancy. That is theonlY way to eliminate some of the problem. Women have lost all self respect and treat their reproductive capacity horribly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I also was religiously taking birth control correctly, same time every day, and got pregnant at 38. BC is not 100% effective even with perfect use. Being AMA didn't work out for not getting pregnant either.

She seems like a smart girl and a good mom. I hope things work out for her. I do think abortion should be easier to obtain. She was not in a good position to have a baby.

Birth Control isn't 100%, but most "unplanned" pregnancies aren't from situations where people were using birth control 100%. There is a segment of my family that is fairly typical rural poor. Most of them had children very young. None were using birth control at the time, and they consider all their pregnancies are unplanned, just something that happened.

If we separated out actual birth control failures and considered those unplanned, and separated them from people who used a condom once in a blue moon or took the pill almost randomly and labeled those as "not using prevention" we would see a huge difference in the number of "unplanned" pregnancies, because many of them would suddenly be categorized under "didn't use prevention."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So free is ok, but paying you to take it is racist?

Free birth control for all who want it is fine.

Paying someone an incentive to be on birth control is a type of coercion. We don't need to be doing that.

Honestly, if the offer of free birth control with a cash incentive for all who wanted it were made available across the country just as a matter of course? I'd be OK with that. As long as it was available to everyone regardless of race I wouldn't think it was racist.

It was available to those receiving public assistance, not just certain races receiving assistance, but see how people keep twisting it?

The only qualification was those receiving assistance, so it was available to everyone regardless of race, that met that qualification.

Also, I said if EVERYONE, every woman, in our county were offered a financial incentive to use free birth control, I'd be OK with it. Not just those receiving public assistance. We are still, I believe, a majority white country and so this policy would not affect blacks or other minorities disproportionately. Also it could just be seen as a policy in effect for all our female citizens. I think it would be so smart.

Have public clinics where women can go for free-to-them checkups if need be, and free-to-them birth control.

You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make them drink. But you can make them drink by withholding benefits with each pregnancy and mandatory sterilization after the second irresponsible pregnancy. That is theonlY way to eliminate some of the problem. Women have lost all self respect and treat their reproductive capacity horribly.

How so? The teen pregnancy rates and the abortion rates are historically low.

[Anonymous]

I was able to rise out of that sort of environment, but it takes sacrificing having sex or relationships until you are out of college / trade school and into a good paying career where you can support yourself and a future child by yourself if you have to. Which means not having sex until you are in at least your mid to late 20s at this point.

Not everyone can do that but it looks like, from the chart above, that some younger people have realized it's the only sure way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I also was religiously taking birth control correctly, same time every day, and got pregnant at 38. BC is not 100% effective even with perfect use. Being AMA didn't work out for not getting pregnant either.

She seems like a smart girl and a good mom. I hope things work out for her. I do think abortion should be easier to obtain. She was not in a good position to have a baby.

Birth Control isn't 100%, but most "unplanned" pregnancies aren't from situations where people were using birth control 100%. There is a segment of my family that is fairly typical rural poor. Most of them had children very young. None were using birth control at the time, and they consider all their pregnancies are unplanned, just something that happened.

If we separated out actual birth control failures and considered those unplanned, and separated them from people who used a condom once in a blue moon or took the pill almost randomly and labeled those as "not using prevention" we would see a huge difference in the number of "unplanned" pregnancies, because many of them would suddenly be categorized under "didn't use prevention."

I agree, and I will add I would really like to see a shift away from the pill as the default birth control method, particularly for teens. The pill works when used correctly, taking it every day at the same time, with no other factors like taking antibiotics as well. Even then it has a failure rate, but that rate skyrockets with user error. I would like long term "set it and forget it" birth control options like the IUD or Implanon to be used more widely. I think relying on the pill, particularly when it is the only form of birth control used and you really, really shouldn't be having a baby (like a teen) is not good enough. There is too much room to mess it up, and the consequences are dire. I have smart, highly educated married friends who swear they have had all 3 of their kids because the pill didn't work, I don't trust it alone without a second method like a condom for teenagers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I've been out of high school for almost 25 years, but the kids that took multiple AP classes did not go on to achieve worthless two-year degrees. Something does not add up.

There was a big push in schools to get more kids to take AP classes. When I was in high school AP classes were only for highly motivated kids who were planning to go to 4 year colleges. But since I left school, the schools started encouraging everyone to take AP classes.

Also, this girl didn't have a lot of parental support financially towards college. She was working her way I presume through community college or a state college in Ohio, then transferred to University of Central Florida -- online classes.

Plenty of poor, lower middle class and middle class kids get 2 year degrees, and some are fairly strong students. Not everyone has the money for 4 year school. Some transfer to state universities after 2 years to get a 4 year degree.

[Anonymous]

Absolutely need to shift to the methods that don’t allow as much user error.

I love my iud. Never have to even think about it.

There was a program in CO that was working. I can’t remember what became of it. Anyone know? I think they were giving the shot to teen moms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I also was religiously taking birth control correctly, same time every day, and got pregnant at 38. BC is not 100% effective even with perfect use. Being AMA didn't work out for not getting pregnant either.

She seems like a smart girl and a good mom. I hope things work out for her. I do think abortion should be easier to obtain. She was not in a good position to have a baby.

Birth Control isn't 100%, but most "unplanned" pregnancies aren't from situations where people were using birth control 100%. There is a segment of my family that is fairly typical rural poor. Most of them had children very young. None were using birth control at the time, and they consider all their pregnancies are unplanned, just something that happened.

If we separated out actual birth control failures and considered those unplanned, and separated them from people who used a condom once in a blue moon or took the pill almost randomly and labeled those as "not using prevention" we would see a huge difference in the number of "unplanned" pregnancies, because many of them would suddenly be categorized under "didn't use prevention."

Poster you are responding to, and I agree. The thing is, I started having (safe) sex at age 18, with my long time boyfriend. Other than twice when I planned to get pregnant, the pill worked for me without fail for 20 years. The problem is, millions of people are on the pill, some like me, for many years. So that means even a failure rate of 1% means over a decade or two or three, hundreds of thousands of women get pregnant. I wish we would acknowledge that more. The NY Times had a great article on it a few years back but people hear the pill is very effective and blame women for getting pregnant on it.

Anyway, the good new is that IUDs are on the rise and now they have a few on the market aimed for teens and young women who have never had a baby (most people don't know this, but many obgyns discourage IUDs for women who haven't given birth yet. My very good friend never wanted kids, and wanted off the pill when she turned 40. Her dr. discouraged the mirena because she hadn't given birth. But now there are more options, in the last 5 years).

The problem is that traditionally IUDs have been very costly. With the Affordable Care Act, more women have access to them but not everyone does. I'm guessing this young woman didn't have decent insurance. And she was probably growing up in a town where she didn't learn these options. Given where she grew up, I would be shocked if it were even close to an option for her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Absolutely need to shift to the methods that don’t allow as much user error.

I love my iud. Never have to even think about it.

There was a program in CO that was working. I can’t remember what became of it. Anyone know? I think they were giving the shot to teen moms.

It was IUDs, and this sounds like it’s still going on.
https://www.denverpost.com/2017/11/30/colorado-teen-pregnancy-abortion-rates-drop-free-low-cost-iud/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So free is ok, but paying you to take it is racist?

Free birth control for all who want it is fine.

Paying someone an incentive to be on birth control is a type of coercion. We don't need to be doing that.

Honestly, if the offer of free birth control with a cash incentive for all who wanted it were made available across the country just as a matter of course? I'd be OK with that. As long as it was available to everyone regardless of race I wouldn't think it was racist.

It was available to those receiving public assistance, not just certain races receiving assistance, but see how people keep twisting it?

The only qualification was those receiving assistance, so it was available to everyone regardless of race, that met that qualification.

Also, I said if EVERYONE, every woman, in our county were offered a financial incentive to use free birth control, I'd be OK with it. Not just those receiving public assistance. We are still, I believe, a majority white country and so this policy would not affect blacks or other minorities disproportionately. Also it could just be seen as a policy in effect for all our female citizens. I think it would be so smart.

Have public clinics where women can go for free-to-them checkups if need be, and free-to-them birth control.

Why are you against means-testing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So free is ok, but paying you to take it is racist?

Free birth control for all who want it is fine.

Paying someone an incentive to be on birth control is a type of coercion. We don't need to be doing that.

Honestly, if the offer of free birth control with a cash incentive for all who wanted it were made available across the country just as a matter of course? I'd be OK with that. As long as it was available to everyone regardless of race I wouldn't think it was racist.

It was available to those receiving public assistance, not just certain races receiving assistance, but see how people keep twisting it?

The only qualification was those receiving assistance, so it was available to everyone regardless of race, that met that qualification.

Also, I said if EVERYONE, every woman, in our county were offered a financial incentive to use free birth control, I'd be OK with it. Not just those receiving public assistance. We are still, I believe, a majority white country and so this policy would not affect blacks or other minorities disproportionately. Also it could just be seen as a policy in effect for all our female citizens. I think it would be so smart.

Have public clinics where women can go for free-to-them checkups if need be, and free-to-them birth control.

Why are you against means-testing?

Why are you a focking racist?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So free is ok, but paying you to take it is racist?

Free birth control for all who want it is fine.

Paying someone an incentive to be on birth control is a type of coercion. We don't need to be doing that.

Honestly, if the offer of free birth control with a cash incentive for all who wanted it were made available across the country just as a matter of course? I'd be OK with that. As long as it was available to everyone regardless of race I wouldn't think it was racist.

It was available to those receiving public assistance, not just certain races receiving assistance, but see how people keep twisting it?

The only qualification was those receiving assistance, so it was available to everyone regardless of race, that met that qualification.

Also, I said if EVERYONE, every woman, in our county were offered a financial incentive to use free birth control, I'd be OK with it. Not just those receiving public assistance. We are still, I believe, a majority white country and so this policy would not affect blacks or other minorities disproportionately. Also it could just be seen as a policy in effect for all our female citizens. I think it would be so smart.

Have public clinics where women can go for free-to-them checkups if need be, and free-to-them birth control.

You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make them drink. But you can make them drink by withholding benefits with each pregnancy and mandatory sterilization after the second irresponsible pregnancy. That is theonlY way to eliminate some of the problem. Women have lost all self respect and treat their reproductive capacity horribly.

How so? The teen pregnancy rates and the abortion rates are historically low.

Duh. Correlates with aging population. Fewer women of childbearing years.