600k HHI - Where should we live?

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Murch or Hearst. 20008 zip code.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here - thanks for the input. To answer everyone's questions - we are open to either staying in DC or moving to the close-in suburbs. My concern with upper NW DC is that, although Deal and Wilson seem reasonably diverse now, the elementary schools appear to be quite white and by the time my kids would be in middle/high school it would be very segregated. Bethesda also appears to be pretty white. I'm not familiar with Lyon Village - will look into that. Thanks!

Downtown Bethesda is changing. Look at neighborhoods that feed onto BCC. From East Bethesda, you can walk to metro and meet your 45 min goal.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here - thanks for the input. To answer everyone's questions - we are open to either staying in DC or moving to the close-in suburbs. My concern with upper NW DC is that, although Deal and Wilson seem reasonably diverse now, the elementary schools appear to be quite white and by the time my kids would be in middle/high school it would be very segregated. Bethesda also appears to be pretty white. I'm not familiar with Lyon Village - will look into that. Thanks!

OP, what are you trying to achieve regarding diversity? The world isn't separated into just white and non-white.

Are you a black family looking to be around other upper middle / upper class black families? Are you an Asian family who doesn't want your kid to be the only non-white? Are you a mixed race family looking to be around the same? Are you a white family just looking to be around enough non-whites (15%) and any other race will do?

My advice would change based on the above.

Regarding how much you want to spend on a home, is that $600K HHI stable and expected to stay the same or rise over the next 20 years?

Didn't get through the entire thread but clearly OP is white. A person of color would be more specific about the "diversity" they're seeking. OP may certainly value diversity but seems to also want to live in a neighborhood that allows for some virtue signaling.

Wanting to be around neighbors of different backgrounds is not necessarily virtue signaling. I'm black and I appreciate having neighbors of all different backgrounds--lots of other AA families, but also white, Latinx, interracial, Midwesterners, international, Jewish, Muslim, LGBT, adoptive, etc. This has nothing to do with trying to prove something to others--I want to raise my kids to be tolerant and accepting of differences. Also, I personally just like meeting folks from different backgrounds. I live in one of the diverse neighborhoods mentioned here, and I think my neighbors feel similarly.

Just curious--are you black or 1/2 black?

PP here--why does it matter?

Bc you felt the need to mention your race to counter someone else's claims. But I think your question/response answers my question.

No, I mentioned my race to show that not everyone who wants diversity in their neighborhood is a white virtue signaler--not that I think anyone would ever choose to buy a home and raise a family in a neighborhood for this reason. But in your mind, white people who want some diversity around them must be virtue signaling, and black people who want diversity must be only half black.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here - thanks for the input. To answer everyone's questions - we are open to either staying in DC or moving to the close-in suburbs. My concern with upper NW DC is that, although Deal and Wilson seem reasonably diverse now, the elementary schools appear to be quite white and by the time my kids would be in middle/high school it would be very segregated. Bethesda also appears to be pretty white. I'm not familiar with Lyon Village - will look into that. Thanks!

OP, what are you trying to achieve regarding diversity? The world isn't separated into just white and non-white.

Are you a black family looking to be around other upper middle / upper class black families? Are you an Asian family who doesn't want your kid to be the only non-white? Are you a mixed race family looking to be around the same? Are you a white family just looking to be around enough non-whites (15%) and any other race will do?

My advice would change based on the above.

Regarding how much you want to spend on a home, is that $600K HHI stable and expected to stay the same or rise over the next 20 years?

Didn't get through the entire thread but clearly OP is white. A person of color would be more specific about the "diversity" they're seeking. OP may certainly value diversity but seems to also want to live in a neighborhood that allows for some virtue signaling.

Wanting to be around neighbors of different backgrounds is not necessarily virtue signaling. I'm black and I appreciate having neighbors of all different backgrounds--lots of other AA families, but also white, Latinx, interracial, Midwesterners, international, Jewish, Muslim, LGBT, adoptive, etc. This has nothing to do with trying to prove something to others--I want to raise my kids to be tolerant and accepting of differences. Also, I personally just like meeting folks from different backgrounds. I live in one of the diverse neighborhoods mentioned here, and I think my neighbors feel similarly.

That essentially describes my neighborhood in McLean, except the lots of other AA families, we don't have lots of anything- but we do have several. We have AA, US hispanic, interracial, interreligious, midwestern, New Englanders, Canadian, Lebanese, Bolivian, French, German, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Jordanian, Iranian, Jewish, Protestant, Catholic, Muslim, unchurched, retired, middle aged, newly married, young children, HSers, - just no real economic diversity, a little political diversity. Our annual block party potluck food is fabulous.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here - thanks for the input. To answer everyone's questions - we are open to either staying in DC or moving to the close-in suburbs. My concern with upper NW DC is that, although Deal and Wilson seem reasonably diverse now, the elementary schools appear to be quite white and by the time my kids would be in middle/high school it would be very segregated. Bethesda also appears to be pretty white. I'm not familiar with Lyon Village - will look into that. Thanks!

OP, what are you trying to achieve regarding diversity? The world isn't separated into just white and non-white.

Are you a black family looking to be around other upper middle / upper class black families? Are you an Asian family who doesn't want your kid to be the only non-white? Are you a mixed race family looking to be around the same? Are you a white family just looking to be around enough non-whites (15%) and any other race will do?

My advice would change based on the above.

Regarding how much you want to spend on a home, is that $600K HHI stable and expected to stay the same or rise over the next 20 years?

Didn't get through the entire thread but clearly OP is white. A person of color would be more specific about the "diversity" they're seeking. OP may certainly value diversity but seems to also want to live in a neighborhood that allows for some virtue signaling.

Wanting to be around neighbors of different backgrounds is not necessarily virtue signaling. I'm black and I appreciate having neighbors of all different backgrounds--lots of other AA families, but also white, Latinx, interracial, Midwesterners, international, Jewish, Muslim, LGBT, adoptive, etc. This has nothing to do with trying to prove something to others--I want to raise my kids to be tolerant and accepting of differences. Also, I personally just like meeting folks from different backgrounds. I live in one of the diverse neighborhoods mentioned here, and I think my neighbors feel similarly.

That essentially describes my neighborhood in McLean, except the lots of other AA families, we don't have lots of anything- but we do have several. We have AA, US hispanic, interracial, interreligious, midwestern, New Englanders, Canadian, Lebanese, Bolivian, French, German, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Jordanian, Iranian, Jewish, Protestant, Catholic, Muslim, unchurched, retired, middle aged, newly married, young children, HSers, - just no real economic diversity, a little political diversity. Our annual block party potluck food is fabulous.

PP here. I'd say the difference with us is that we didn't want to be one of the few black families, so we moved to a neighborhood with lots of other educated black families; we feel it's nice to raise kids with positive black role models around. And the black families themselves are diverse--in my neighborhood, they are Caribbean (Jamaican, Trinidadian, Haitian), East African (Ethiopian, Kenyan), European (black British), etc. alongside AA families who've been in DC for generations. Agree that neighborhood events (winter potluck, annual picnic, etc.) are great with different types of food represented.

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Oakridge/ Gunston/Wakefield

Can"t imagine making that money and buying a house in the Wakefield district. It's not a good school.

Wakefield is an excellent school. I would choose it over Wilson.

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If you want excellent schools that are also diverse you need to go private. Look at GDS, Sidwell and Maret especially.

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Anonymous wrote:Just move to Upper NW and be done with it already. Oh, and we're sooo impressed that you make 600k. With two people working that's not so great btw.

In what part of America do you live in where 600k a year income is sneered upon?

NP.

I mean, it's good for a single earner but not really that great for two.

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Anonymous wrote:DH and I currently live in Petworth in DC with a toddler, and another one on the way. 600k HHI, no debt besides the mortgage on our current place (300k in equity). We are looking for a bigger house - need at minimum 2000 sq ft, 4 bedrooms, and 3 bathrooms. Here are our priorities, in order:

1. Public schools that are not nearly all (talking over 85%) white
2. Good quality of education at said public schools (through high school)
3. Relatively easy and relatively short (under 45 mins) commute via public transit to Farragut Sq area
4. Walkable neighborhood

Ideas of where to look?

Do you want to stay in DC, or move out to the suburbs? As in, how would you feel about being zoned for Wilson? To get actual door-to-door in < 45 min, you'd have to either stay in the city or very close-in. We live IB for Wilson and total commute door-to-door to Farragut N. is around 45 min and sometimes a bit more, due to some walking on both ends.

Thank you. It's annoying when people say they live in Upper NW and claim they have a "15 minute" commute. They're only counting the time they're actually on the metro (not walking on both ends, waiting for a train, etc).

PP here. I could drive to the nearest metro station and could reduce my commute to 40-45 minutes, but I like a little extra walking.

If you’re open to staying in DC, this house in my neighborhood might work--listed at 1.8 but I think it should go for less:

https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/1400-Iris-St-NW-20012/home/10019471?utm_source=ios_share&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=copy_link&utm_nooverride=1&utm_content=link

Also, this one was just listed and comes in under your budget:

https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/7537-12th-St-NW-20012/home/10036956?utm_source=ios_share&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=copy_link&utm_nooverride=1&utm_content=link

In addition to commute, Shepherd Park/Colonial Village checks some of your other boxes: Super diverse neighborhood and decent schools: Shepherd, Deal, Wilson. Not that walkable right now, but that will get better with Walter Reed and other development in the area.

I can't believe that 1st house is still on the market!

It's nice to see a house that is at least "done" even if not to my taste. Even the baby gate is thought through.

Really you think? All of the purple is just atrocious. And the lighting fixtures are way too try hard for me.

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Anonymous wrote:DH and I currently live in Petworth in DC with a toddler, and another one on the way. 600k HHI, no debt besides the mortgage on our current place (300k in equity). We are looking for a bigger house - need at minimum 2000 sq ft, 4 bedrooms, and 3 bathrooms. Here are our priorities, in order:

1. Public schools that are not nearly all (talking over 85%) white
2. Good quality of education at said public schools (through high school)
3. Relatively easy and relatively short (under 45 mins) commute via public transit to Farragut Sq area
4. Walkable neighborhood

Ideas of where to look?

Do you want to stay in DC, or move out to the suburbs? As in, how would you feel about being zoned for Wilson? To get actual door-to-door in < 45 min, you'd have to either stay in the city or very close-in. We live IB for Wilson and total commute door-to-door to Farragut N. is around 45 min and sometimes a bit more, due to some walking on both ends.

Thank you. It's annoying when people say they live in Upper NW and claim they have a "15 minute" commute. They're only counting the time they're actually on the metro (not walking on both ends, waiting for a train, etc).

PP here. I could drive to the nearest metro station and could reduce my commute to 40-45 minutes, but I like a little extra walking.

If you’re open to staying in DC, this house in my neighborhood might work--listed at 1.8 but I think it should go for less:

https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/1400-Iris-St-NW-20012/home/10019471?utm_source=ios_share&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=copy_link&utm_nooverride=1&utm_content=link

Also, this one was just listed and comes in under your budget:

https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/7537-12th-St-NW-20012/home/10036956?utm_source=ios_share&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=copy_link&utm_nooverride=1&utm_content=link

In addition to commute, Shepherd Park/Colonial Village checks some of your other boxes: Super diverse neighborhood and decent schools: Shepherd, Deal, Wilson. Not that walkable right now, but that will get better with Walter Reed and other development in the area.

I can't believe that 1st house is still on the market!

It's nice to see a house that is at least "done" even if not to my taste. Even the baby gate is thought through.

Really you think? All of the purple is just atrocious. And the lighting fixtures are way too try hard for me.

I don’t love all of the choices I just appreciate that they were made. As opposed to a beige sofa but also some ikea cube shelves jammed against the wall and the tv blocking a window and some lame skinny curtains hanging sloppily from a too small rod.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here - thanks for the input. To answer everyone's questions - we are open to either staying in DC or moving to the close-in suburbs. My concern with upper NW DC is that, although Deal and Wilson seem reasonably diverse now, the elementary schools appear to be quite white and by the time my kids would be in middle/high school it would be very segregated. Bethesda also appears to be pretty white. I'm not familiar with Lyon Village - will look into that. Thanks!

OP, what are you trying to achieve regarding diversity? The world isn't separated into just white and non-white.

Are you a black family looking to be around other upper middle / upper class black families? Are you an Asian family who doesn't want your kid to be the only non-white? Are you a mixed race family looking to be around the same? Are you a white family just looking to be around enough non-whites (15%) and any other race will do?

My advice would change based on the above.

Regarding how much you want to spend on a home, is that $600K HHI stable and expected to stay the same or rise over the next 20 years?

What neighborhood do you live in PP??

Didn't get through the entire thread but clearly OP is white. A person of color would be more specific about the "diversity" they're seeking. OP may certainly value diversity but seems to also want to live in a neighborhood that allows for some virtue signaling.

Wanting to be around neighbors of different backgrounds is not necessarily virtue signaling. I'm black and I appreciate having neighbors of all different backgrounds--lots of other AA families, but also white, Latinx, interracial, Midwesterners, international, Jewish, Muslim, LGBT, adoptive, etc. This has nothing to do with trying to prove something to others--I want to raise my kids to be tolerant and accepting of differences. Also, I personally just like meeting folks from different backgrounds. I live in one of the diverse neighborhoods mentioned here, and I think my neighbors feel similarly.

That essentially describes my neighborhood in McLean, except the lots of other AA families, we don't have lots of anything- but we do have several. We have AA, US hispanic, interracial, interreligious, midwestern, New Englanders, Canadian, Lebanese, Bolivian, French, German, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Jordanian, Iranian, Jewish, Protestant, Catholic, Muslim, unchurched, retired, middle aged, newly married, young children, HSers, - just no real economic diversity, a little political diversity. Our annual block party potluck food is fabulous.

PP here. I'd say the difference with us is that we didn't want to be one of the few black families, so we moved to a neighborhood with lots of other educated black families; we feel it's nice to raise kids with positive black role models around. And the black families themselves are diverse--in my neighborhood, they are Caribbean (Jamaican, Trinidadian, Haitian), East African (Ethiopian, Kenyan), European (black British), etc. alongside AA families who've been in DC for generations. Agree that neighborhood events (winter potluck, annual picnic, etc.) are great with different types of food represented.

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Anonymous wrote:Just move to Upper NW and be done with it already. Oh, and we're sooo impressed that you make 600k. With two people working that's not so great btw.

Not Op, but yes. it actually is. people are so jaded. 600k annually is a LOT of money. its 2 people in very high paying jobs. people get promoted and bust their asses and work 60 hrs and still can easily top out at 150, 170, 180, even in well paying fields

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Anonymous wrote:Diversity is important to me, and if I had your income, my first choice would be a path that included Deal and Wilson. I'd also consider TPES, Piney Branch, TPMS, Blair, and either Rock Creek Forrest, or Rosemary Hills/NCC leading to Silver Creek and BCC.

OP, THIS is the only option that fits your criteria.

Those are only decent if you get the magnet or CES, they are marginal otherwise

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Oakridge/ Gunston/Wakefield

Can"t imagine making that money and buying a house in the Wakefield district. It's not a good school.

Wakefield is an excellent school. I would choose it over Wilson.

+1

The new Wakefield is gorgeous - absolutely stunning! Indoor pool, the track is immaculate, so much great stuff in one school.

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Central Springfield