residency fraud? (!)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just reported someone thru the website. The student lives in PG with both parents, but her mother works in DC and wanted a free longer school day, plus didn’t want to pay for private anymore. She has her documents pretty well covered though. She registered her car in DC and used a relative’s address. I’m not sure what OSSE can do, really.

Check her state taxes and see if she is paying in DC or MD.

I reported someone like this and unfortunately they were cleared. They had a letter, dated a few years back (purportedly), stating that the child needed to stay with a relative in DC due to financial issues. There were no financial issues whatsoever.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We used to live right by Ross and there was a steady stream of md plates in the afternoon. One woman would actually park in my driveway (in the alley behind Ross & my house) daily. When I asked her to please stop she screamed at me non-stop. These were definitely parents & all md plates. Sure, some could be non-custodial parents or whatever but it seemed unlikely when it was the same faces daily. Frustrating for such a crowded school

Do you think people actually commute in to Dupont Circle every day from MD to commit residency fraud? That seems VERY unlikely.

Yes. They work downtown so it's convenient enough. I haven't seen any MD plates, but I know there are currently students there committing fraud.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We used to live right by Ross and there was a steady stream of md plates in the afternoon. One woman would actually park in my driveway (in the alley behind Ross & my house) daily. When I asked her to please stop she screamed at me non-stop. These were definitely parents & all md plates. Sure, some could be non-custodial parents or whatever but it seemed unlikely when it was the same faces daily. Frustrating for such a crowded school

Exactly why I followed the car to silver spring. I took video and everything. Janney is crowded enough thank you very much.

[Anonymous]

^ You just have nothing else better to do with your time?!?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just reported someone thru the website. The student lives in PG with both parents, but her mother works in DC and wanted a free longer school day, plus didn’t want to pay for private anymore. She has her documents pretty well covered though. She registered her car in DC and used a relative’s address. I’m not sure what OSSE can do, really.

Check her state taxes and see if she is paying in DC or MD.

I reported someone like this and unfortunately they were cleared. They had a letter, dated a few years back (purportedly), stating that the child needed to stay with a relative in DC due to financial issues. There were no financial issues whatsoever.

And why would thiese people share their financial issues with you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What if you own two properties? You live in DC during the week and go to a cottage in VA on weekends or holidays? Many folks do this to avoid the long commutes during the week.

Do the children sleep in DC during the school week? Do they actually live at that house most of the time? If so, then they are DC residents who also own property in VA.

My daughter's father lives in Maryland. She spends every other weekend with him. He picks her up and drops her off in a car with Maryland plates on Fridays and Mondays. During the week, she lives with me across the street from her school, but if you just saw him picking up on Friday and dropping off on Monday, you would think that she lives in MD.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What if you own two properties? You live in DC during the week and go to a cottage in VA on weekends or holidays? Many folks do this to avoid the long commutes during the week.

Do the children sleep in DC during the school week? Do they actually live at that house most of the time? If so, then they are DC residents who also own property in VA.

My daughter's father lives in Maryland. She spends every other weekend with him. He picks her up and drops her off in a car with Maryland plates on Fridays and Mondays. During the week, she lives with me across the street from her school, but if you just saw him picking up on Friday and dropping off on Monday, you would think that she lives in MD.

According to DC's regulations, even if your daughter spent every single night with her father in Maryland on a regular basis, if you (mom) live in DC and register her for school, she is legally entitled to attend a public DCPS or charter school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What if you own two properties? You live in DC during the week and go to a cottage in VA on weekends or holidays? Many folks do this to avoid the long commutes during the week.

Do the children sleep in DC during the school week? Do they actually live at that house most of the time? If so, then they are DC residents who also own property in VA.

My daughter's father lives in Maryland. She spends every other weekend with him. He picks her up and drops her off in a car with Maryland plates on Fridays and Mondays. During the week, she lives with me across the street from her school, but if you just saw him picking up on Friday and dropping off on Monday, you would think that she lives in MD.

According to DC's regulations, even if your daughter spent every single night with her father in Maryland on a regular basis, if you (mom) live in DC and register her for school, she is legally entitled to attend a public DCPS or charter school.

And yet if we were investigated, they would look at where the child actually lives. They would come to my house and if it was actually a studio apartment with no kid stuff in it, even if I was the one who registered her for school, we might get kicked out for fraud because she doesn't actually live there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What if you own two properties? You live in DC during the week and go to a cottage in VA on weekends or holidays? Many folks do this to avoid the long commutes during the week.

Do the children sleep in DC during the school week? Do they actually live at that house most of the time? If so, then they are DC residents who also own property in VA.

My daughter's father lives in Maryland. She spends every other weekend with him. He picks her up and drops her off in a car with Maryland plates on Fridays and Mondays. During the week, she lives with me across the street from her school, but if you just saw him picking up on Friday and dropping off on Monday, you would think that she lives in MD.

According to DC's regulations, even if your daughter spent every single night with her father in Maryland on a regular basis, if you (mom) live in DC and register her for school, she is legally entitled to attend a public DCPS or charter school.

And yet if we were investigated, they would look at where the child actually lives. They would come to my house and if it was actually a studio apartment with no kid stuff in it, even if I was the one who registered her for school, we might get kicked out for fraud because she doesn't actually live there.

That isn't how the regulation is written. Now if you never slept there....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We used to live right by Ross and there was a steady stream of md plates in the afternoon. One woman would actually park in my driveway (in the alley behind Ross & my house) daily. When I asked her to please stop she screamed at me non-stop. These were definitely parents & all md plates. Sure, some could be non-custodial parents or whatever but it seemed unlikely when it was the same faces daily. Frustrating for such a crowded school

Do you think people actually commute in to Dupont Circle every day from MD to commit residency fraud? That seems VERY unlikely.

Sure they do. They work in DC.

And often they work for the Dee-Cee government.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Whoa, Nellie. The driver of the car with the MD plates could easily have been a caregiver or relative doing drop-off or pickup!! Maybe even a divorced parent.

Usual deflection and excuses.

How's the weather out there in PG County today?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have posted about this before. Happened at Janney last year.

You guessed it folks... Maryland plates. After seeing the same thing 4 days in a row I finally followed them to a home in Silver Spring.

Worth looking into.

Are you aware that what you are doing is stalking, which is illegal. You might want to stop that before it gets you into a different level of trouble

Great, call the police. Then they can sort out where the fraudsters live...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Um, OP, you seem like a jerk.

Sure. To offer another perspective, we were a family that was unable to get in anywhere off of the lottery, and ended up having to move, to leave a neighborhood we loved and were heavily invested into and a home that we had literally bought only a couple of years earlier based on the location of three very good neighborhood schools that at the time had neighborhood preference and then changed to city wide lottery. Our one remaining inbound school was going to be doing huge renovations and was having major administrative upheaval, was plagued by residency fraud, and seemed too unstable to make an investment in at that point.

So while I understand the myriad reasons that residency fraud exists and is not cracked down on (because I really had to dig deep to make my peace with it and accept that these children are hopefully benefiting from more than just their parent's commute convenience) it was a cause of agony for us and had huge financial ramifications. We accept that we took an educated risk and lost. But system wide there are substantial, soft costs related to res fraud in the community that are not accounted for.

How ... is residency fraud the cause of your issues? You had a neighborhood school you chose not to attend. If you were in "agony" because you believed that there were kids from a different district attending your school ...so much so that you had to move ... that's truly on you.

I guess you missed the part where there were not enough seats in multiple schools. We didn't have a neighborhood school, we had trailers. Yes, we could have chosen to send our child to the trailer option, but it also came with a high price tag of aftercare. We chose based on the idea that if the Reno moved forward, we would have the neighborhood preference lottery option, which was eliminated in two separate schools within blocks of our house. Lack of capacity due to residency fraud is the issue. Moving when we hadn't planned to was the agony.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just reported someone thru the website. The student lives in PG with both parents, but her mother works in DC and wanted a free longer school day, plus didn’t want to pay for private anymore. She has her documents pretty well covered though. She registered her car in DC and used a relative’s address. I’m not sure what OSSE can do, really.

Check her state taxes and see if she is paying in DC or MD.

I reported someone like this and unfortunately they were cleared. They had a letter, dated a few years back (purportedly), stating that the child needed to stay with a relative in DC due to financial issues. There were no financial issues whatsoever.

And why would thiese people share their financial issues with you?

I owned a business and the person in was my employee. Making a very good salary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Um, OP, you seem like a jerk.

Sure. To offer another perspective, we were a family that was unable to get in anywhere off of the lottery, and ended up having to move, to leave a neighborhood we loved and were heavily invested into and a home that we had literally bought only a couple of years earlier based on the location of three very good neighborhood schools that at the time had neighborhood preference and then changed to city wide lottery. Our one remaining inbound school was going to be doing huge renovations and was having major administrative upheaval, was plagued by residency fraud, and seemed too unstable to make an investment in at that point.

So while I understand the myriad reasons that residency fraud exists and is not cracked down on (because I really had to dig deep to make my peace with it and accept that these children are hopefully benefiting from more than just their parent's commute convenience) it was a cause of agony for us and had huge financial ramifications. We accept that we took an educated risk and lost. But system wide there are substantial, soft costs related to res fraud in the community that are not accounted for.

How ... is residency fraud the cause of your issues? You had a neighborhood school you chose not to attend. If you were in "agony" because you believed that there were kids from a different district attending your school ...so much so that you had to move ... that's truly on you.

I guess you missed the part where there were not enough seats in multiple schools. We didn't have a neighborhood school, we had trailers. Yes, we could have chosen to send our child to the trailer option, but it also came with a high price tag of aftercare. We chose based on the idea that if the Reno moved forward, we would have the neighborhood preference lottery option, which was eliminated in two separate schools within blocks of our house. Lack of capacity due to residency fraud is the issue. Moving when we hadn't planned to was the agony.

Come on. You opted out of your assigned school because aftercare was too expensive? And what school was completely in trailers because of renovations?

I can see that if you sold your Stanton Park house in 2013 you would be in agony, because that was a super dumb financial move. Imagine how much aftercare you'd be able to afford now!