Schools in silver spring area

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I'm sorry there is a 40-page thread on this subject already and you are sadly misinformed. Woodward is being reopened primarily to deal with serious overcrowding in Walter Johnson; however, by the time Woodward opens BCC will be at capacity again. Woodward is located in between BCC and Walter Johnson. Many students blocks from Woodward currently attend BCC. It stands to reason they willbe rezoned to Woodward since it's closer. It also seems likely many students from Einstein which will be heavily overcrowded then too and nearby Woodward will also end up. The only other DCC school with overcrowding not wholly and directly addressed by capital improvements is Blair. Some of that excess will be offloaded to Northwood which is adjacent; however, it also stands to reason a larger part of western Silver Spring will be rezoned to BCC.

That's not how MCPS does rezoning. Proximity is one factor, but it's not the only factor. MCPS is unlikely to include a whole cluster in a rezoning just because a small section of that cluster is close to another cluster that is getting rezoned.

You are using "It stands to reason" to mean "I think that MCPS ought to..." The only actual information we have right now is the CIP. And the CIP says that (1) Woodward is for capacity at Walter Johnson and the DCC (2) the B-CC addition is for capacity at B-CC.

DCC: http://gis.mcpsmd.org/cipmasterpdfs/MP19_Chap4_DCC.pdf
Walter Johnson: http://gis.mcpsmd.org/cipmasterpdfs/MP19_Chap4_WJ.pdf
B-CC: http://gis.mcpsmd.org/cipmasterpdfs/MP19_Chap4_BCC.pdf

Woodward's site is located between B-CC, Einstein, and WJ.

Woodward has room for 2700 seats, but I seriously doubt they'd fill it to capacity on day 1.

I'd imagine WJ will contribute 800-1000 students to Woodward. Around 700 to address it's overcrowding directly and shift a few hundred from Whitman to WJ to address overcrowding there too.

That still leaves 1700-1900 seats to fill at Woodward. The simplest solution is to fill them from the adjacent schools.

Since Einstein is around 700 over capacity it would likely contribute the lions share. I'd wager B-CC ends up giving 400-500 too, but 200 minimum to offset future overcrowding at B-CC.

Now Northwood is right next to Blair and it's expansion creates 1200 additional seats there. Roughly 700 are needed to address Northwood's overcrowding by 2022. That means 400-500 will likely go to address Blair's overcrowding. Now Blair will need around 700 total seats so they'll a couple hundred short. Those seats will likely come from the two schools directly adjacent to its West. Those schools are also adjacent to Woodward so it's easy to make the room. Sure the County could put the burden entirely on Einstein but why would B-CC get a pass?

It's all total speculation so I wouldn't get worked up over it. Do you remember those puzzle games you played as a kid that you solve by shifting the blocks? If your goal is to optimally fill these schools, make minimal changes to the overall map without busing people across the county that's how it could play out.

[Anonymous]

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The zone boundaries for those areas along the edge of SS nearer CC are very likely to be impacted by the addition of Woodward 4-6 years from now.

The reopening of Woodward HS is to address the remaining space deficits in the Downcounty Consortium high schools and Walter Johnson High School. It's not related to B-CC.

B-CC was originally to be part of the DCC until snooty Bethesda parents strong-armed the school board. When people complain about snooty Bethesda parents, it's because they have this attitude, "Now that we got our expansion @B-CC screw the rest of you especially you poor DCC people!"

Whether B-CC parents like it or not B-CC is part of Montgomery County too and bare some of the burdens of making things work for everyone.

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[Anonymous]

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Woodward's site is located between B-CC, Einstein, and WJ.

Woodward has room for 2700 seats, but I seriously doubt they'd fill it to capacity on day 1.

I'd imagine WJ will contribute 800-1000 students to Woodward. Around 700 to address it's overcrowding directly and shift a few hundred from Whitman to WJ to address overcrowding there too.

That still leaves 1700-1900 seats to fill at Woodward. The simplest solution is to fill them from the adjacent schools.

Since Einstein is around 700 over capacity it would likely contribute the lions share. I'd wager B-CC ends up giving 400-500 too, but 200 minimum to offset future overcrowding at B-CC.

Now Northwood is right next to Blair and it's expansion creates 1200 additional seats there. Roughly 700 are needed to address Northwood's overcrowding by 2022. That means 400-500 will likely go to address Blair's overcrowding. Now Blair will need around 700 total seats so they'll a couple hundred short. Those seats will likely come from the two schools directly adjacent to its West. Those schools are also adjacent to Woodward so it's easy to make the room. Sure the County could put the burden entirely on Einstein but why would B-CC get a pass?

It's all total speculation so I wouldn't get worked up over it. Do you remember those puzzle games you played as a kid that you solve by shifting the blocks? If your goal is to optimally fill these schools, make minimal changes to the overall map without busing people across the county that's how it could play out.

So you're saying that MCPS plans to include B-CC in the rezoning, they're just not saying so in the CIP? Why would they do that?

[Anonymous]

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Woodward's site is located between B-CC, Einstein, and WJ.

Woodward has room for 2700 seats, but I seriously doubt they'd fill it to capacity on day 1.

I'd imagine WJ will contribute 800-1000 students to Woodward. Around 700 to address it's overcrowding directly and shift a few hundred from Whitman to WJ to address overcrowding there too.

That still leaves 1700-1900 seats to fill at Woodward. The simplest solution is to fill them from the adjacent schools.

Since Einstein is around 700 over capacity it would likely contribute the lions share. I'd wager B-CC ends up giving 400-500 too, but 200 minimum to offset future overcrowding at B-CC.

Now Northwood is right next to Blair and it's expansion creates 1200 additional seats there. Roughly 700 are needed to address Northwood's overcrowding by 2022. That means 400-500 will likely go to address Blair's overcrowding. Now Blair will need around 700 total seats so they'll a couple hundred short. Those seats will likely come from the two schools directly adjacent to its West. Those schools are also adjacent to Woodward so it's easy to make the room. Sure the County could put the burden entirely on Einstein but why would B-CC get a pass?

It's all total speculation so I wouldn't get worked up over it. Do you remember those puzzle games you played as a kid that you solve by shifting the blocks? If your goal is to optimally fill these schools, make minimal changes to the overall map without busing people across the county that's how it could play out.

So you're saying that MCPS plans to include B-CC in the rezoning, they're just not saying so in the CIP? Why would they do that?

Of course, B-CC is part of the solution. B-CC will again be over capacity by the time Woodward opens and its boundary is adjacent to Woodward like Einstein and WJ. It makes the most sense.

A lot of these problems stem from the fact that Blair was originally inside the beltway, but when it was relocated from downtown silver spring its boundaries remained the same. In fact, people who live across the street from Blair are zoned for Northwood. The only other nearby HS that services residents inside the beltway is B-CC which happens to be adjacent to Woodward. Hard to imagine B-CC isn't part of the solution.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Woodward's site is located between B-CC, Einstein, and WJ.

Woodward has room for 2700 seats, but I seriously doubt they'd fill it to capacity on day 1.

I'd imagine WJ will contribute 800-1000 students to Woodward. Around 700 to address it's overcrowding directly and shift a few hundred from Whitman to WJ to address overcrowding there too.

That still leaves 1700-1900 seats to fill at Woodward. The simplest solution is to fill them from the adjacent schools.

Since Einstein is around 700 over capacity it would likely contribute the lions share. I'd wager B-CC ends up giving 400-500 too, but 200 minimum to offset future overcrowding at B-CC.

Now Northwood is right next to Blair and it's expansion creates 1200 additional seats there. Roughly 700 are needed to address Northwood's overcrowding by 2022. That means 400-500 will likely go to address Blair's overcrowding. Now Blair will need around 700 total seats so they'll a couple hundred short. Those seats will likely come from the two schools directly adjacent to its West. Those schools are also adjacent to Woodward so it's easy to make the room. Sure the County could put the burden entirely on Einstein but why would B-CC get a pass?

It's all total speculation so I wouldn't get worked up over it. Do you remember those puzzle games you played as a kid that you solve by shifting the blocks? If your goal is to optimally fill these schools, make minimal changes to the overall map without busing people across the county that's how it could play out.

So you're saying that MCPS plans to include B-CC in the rezoning, they're just not saying so in the CIP? Why would they do that?

Of course, B-CC is part of the solution. B-CC will again be over capacity by the time Woodward opens and its boundary is adjacent to Woodward like Einstein and WJ. It makes the most sense.

A lot of these problems stem from the fact that Blair was originally inside the beltway, but when it was relocated from downtown silver spring its boundaries remained the same. In fact, people who live across the street from Blair are zoned for Northwood. The only other nearby HS that services residents inside the beltway is B-CC which happens to be adjacent to Woodward. Hard to imagine B-CC isn't part of the solution.

Not totally the same apparently. We live inside the beltway, and are zoned for Northwood. Kids have to actually pass Blair to get to Northwood. Neighbors with grown kids sent their kids to Blair 15 or 20 years ago.

[Anonymous]

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So you're saying that MCPS plans to include B-CC in the rezoning, they're just not saying so in the CIP? Why would they do that?

Of course, B-CC is part of the solution. B-CC will again be over capacity by the time Woodward opens and its boundary is adjacent to Woodward like Einstein and WJ. It makes the most sense.

A lot of these problems stem from the fact that Blair was originally inside the beltway, but when it was relocated from downtown silver spring its boundaries remained the same. In fact, people who live across the street from Blair are zoned for Northwood. The only other nearby HS that services residents inside the beltway is B-CC which happens to be adjacent to Woodward. Hard to imagine B-CC isn't part of the solution.

So why does the CIP say that Woodward is for Walter Johnson and the DCC, and not say anything about B-CC?

[Anonymous]

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So you're saying that MCPS plans to include B-CC in the rezoning, they're just not saying so in the CIP? Why would they do that?

Of course, B-CC is part of the solution. B-CC will again be over capacity by the time Woodward opens and its boundary is adjacent to Woodward like Einstein and WJ. It makes the most sense.

A lot of these problems stem from the fact that Blair was originally inside the beltway, but when it was relocated from downtown silver spring its boundaries remained the same. In fact, people who live across the street from Blair are zoned for Northwood. The only other nearby HS that services residents inside the beltway is B-CC which happens to be adjacent to Woodward. Hard to imagine B-CC isn't part of the solution.

So why does the CIP say that Woodward is for Walter Johnson and the DCC, and not say anything about B-CC?

Woodward will help address overcrowding at WJ and Einstein but it's hard to imagine that B-CC which will also be overcrowded by 2022 and shares a boundary with both Woodward and Blair won't be part of that solution.

[Anonymous]

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So you're saying that MCPS plans to include B-CC in the rezoning, they're just not saying so in the CIP? Why would they do that?

Of course, B-CC is part of the solution. B-CC will again be over capacity by the time Woodward opens and its boundary is adjacent to Woodward like Einstein and WJ. It makes the most sense.

A lot of these problems stem from the fact that Blair was originally inside the beltway, but when it was relocated from downtown silver spring its boundaries remained the same. In fact, people who live across the street from Blair are zoned for Northwood. The only other nearby HS that services residents inside the beltway is B-CC which happens to be adjacent to Woodward. Hard to imagine B-CC isn't part of the solution.

So why does the CIP say that Woodward is for Walter Johnson and the DCC, and not say anything about B-CC?

Woodward will help address overcrowding at WJ and Einstein but it's hard to imagine that B-CC which will also be overcrowded by 2022 and shares a boundary with both Woodward and Blair won't be part of that solution.

How are they possibly going to pull 400 students out of BCC? That's an entire elementary school.

[Anonymous]

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So you're saying that MCPS plans to include B-CC in the rezoning, they're just not saying so in the CIP? Why would they do that?

Of course, B-CC is part of the solution. B-CC will again be over capacity by the time Woodward opens and its boundary is adjacent to Woodward like Einstein and WJ. It makes the most sense.

A lot of these problems stem from the fact that Blair was originally inside the beltway, but when it was relocated from downtown silver spring its boundaries remained the same. In fact, people who live across the street from Blair are zoned for Northwood. The only other nearby HS that services residents inside the beltway is B-CC which happens to be adjacent to Woodward. Hard to imagine B-CC isn't part of the solution.

So why does the CIP say that Woodward is for Walter Johnson and the DCC, and not say anything about B-CC?

Woodward will help address overcrowding at WJ and Einstein but it's hard to imagine that B-CC which will also be overcrowded by 2022 and shares a boundary with both Woodward and Blair won't be part of that solution.

It is evidently not hard for MCPS to imagine. Especially given that B-CC is projected to not go over capacity until 2022-23, by 37 students (capacity 2,407, enrollment 2,444).

[Anonymous]

Another option is the Indian Spring neighborhood just south of the beltway. Fantastic elementary (Highland View), decent middle (Silver Spring International), and Northwood High School (most in the neighborhood like this high school).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Another option is the Indian Spring neighborhood just south of the beltway. Fantastic elementary (Highland View), decent middle (Silver Spring International), and Northwood High School (most in the neighborhood like this high school).

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We love the neighborhood. It is walkable to the YMCA, and will be walkable to a Purple Line station when that is completed. Highland view was fantastic for elementary school. We were less sure how SSIMS would be, but have ultimately been very impressed with it. We have friends with kid sin middle schools throughout the county. My impression is that middle school can be the weak link in a cluster in general. But. compared to our friends, we seem to be having a much better middle school experience, with fewer complaints. SSIMS is walkable to downtown Silver Spring, and that affords kids a measure of freedom as they mature.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Our experience is that most of the Takoma Park and East Silver Spring kids stay together through high school, as TPMS and Blair are both strong options.

Particularly as Piney Branch ES (the 3rd - 5th school in Takoma Park) now has its own gifted center, there's not a lot of reason for kids to leave unless they attend the Humanities magnet for middle school, and those kids end up back at Blair for the CAP magnet in HS.

+1 Also live in TP and this has been our experience.

Yes, us too. Kids stuck together even though they did go to different schools at times (1 friend went to Spanish immersion, & my kids went to gifted ctr at Pine Crest), but w/ the recent changes, there will be fewer kids going to different schools. Re: HS, we are so down county here that even when kids get into programs at other high schools, they often choose Blair. (& Blair has 2 of the best application programs). I also like Woodside neighborhood.

[Anonymous]

Kennedy is the key to it, watch how the demographics and populations shift the next 5 years as new residents fill the housing stock in the more pristine (like not low class apartment ickiness) houses in the subdivisions and they will have to address this issue anewe