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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I used this:

https://www.ivycoach.com/2017-ivy-league-admissions-statistics/

The best source would obviously be the common data set for each school, but I'm not going to invest the time to do that.

In any event, a dropping admission rate doesn't necessarily mean a schools is becoming more selective. It just as likely means that more kids are applying, and that the rising applicant pools include more kids who wouldn't have gotten in last year or the year before, etc. Every year kids apply to more and more colleges.

Then there's this: HB's Ivy League success HASN'T dropped over the four or five years. According to a PP, this year it's sending one to Harvard, one to Dartmouth, one to Cornell, and one to Ivy equivalent Stanford. The argument that the last four year's numbers for HB shouldn't count because Ivy admissions were easier then only makes sense if this year's numbers were worse for HB than those years -- but they're not. They're just as good if not better.

Finally, you can't have your cake and eat it too. If you don't want to count the last four years for HB, you can't count them for McLean either. Looking at this year alone, HB still outperforms McLean. Harvard, Stanford, Dartmouth, Cornell -- all in a class that's 1/4 the size of McLean. You'd need 16 Ivies this year at McLean (ok, 12 Ivies and 4 Stanfords) to match this result, and you don't have anywhere near that.

That data is for the HS graduating class of 2013 (college class of 2017) and with PP's direct from Ivy #s proves the point that elite college admissions has gotten much tougher in the last 5 years. The only VA area HS that is holding steady w/elite college admissions over the last 5 years is TJHSST.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I used this:

https://www.ivycoach.com/2017-ivy-league-admissions-statistics/

The best source would obviously be the common data set for each school, but I'm not going to invest the time to do that.

In any event, a dropping admission rate doesn't necessarily mean a schools is becoming more selective. It just as likely means that more kids are applying, and that the rising applicant pools include more kids who wouldn't have gotten in last year or the year before, etc. Every year kids apply to more and more colleges.

Then there's this: HB's Ivy League success HASN'T dropped over the four or five years. According to a PP, this year it's sending one to Harvard, one to Dartmouth, one to Cornell, and one to Ivy equivalent Stanford. The argument that the last four year's numbers for HB shouldn't count because Ivy admissions were easier then only makes sense if this year's numbers were worse for HB than those years -- but they're not. They're just as good if not better.

Finally, you can't have your cake and eat it too. If you don't want to count the last four years for HB, you can't count them for McLean either. Looking at this year alone, HB still outperforms McLean. Harvard, Stanford, Dartmouth, Cornell -- all in a class that's 1/4 the size of McLean. You'd need 16 Ivies this year at McLean (ok, 12 Ivies and 4 Stanfords) to match this result, and you don't have anywhere near that.

You keep comparing apples to oranges. It's not a legitimate basis for a comparison, but it does help explain why so many Arlington parents are aghast at APS continuing to operate H.B. Woodlawn as a small school/program, even as the neighborhood schools get bigger and bigger.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the same source updated for Class of 2022.

https://www.toptieradmissions.com/resources/college-admissions-statistics/ivy-league-admission-statistics-for-class-of-2022/

And here is the data directly from the Ivy League. Applications are WAY up from 4 years ago and % admitted falling significantly. How is that not more selective?

http://www.thedp.com/article/2018/03/ivy-league-decisions-class-of-2022-penn-upenn-philadelphia-yale-university-harvard

Frankly, it doesn't mean they are more selective on any margin that matters. I looked at Naviance and was stunned to see how many kids with credentials like my kid were applying to Harvard, Brown, and Penn.

My kid is a great kid, but not Harvard material. Anyone with his credentials who applied to these schools was throwing away money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used this:

https://www.ivycoach.com/2017-ivy-league-admissions-statistics/

The best source would obviously be the common data set for each school, but I'm not going to invest the time to do that.

In any event, a dropping admission rate doesn't necessarily mean a schools is becoming more selective. It just as likely means that more kids are applying, and that the rising applicant pools include more kids who wouldn't have gotten in last year or the year before, etc. Every year kids apply to more and more colleges.

Then there's this: HB's Ivy League success HASN'T dropped over the four or five years. According to a PP, this year it's sending one to Harvard, one to Dartmouth, one to Cornell, and one to Ivy equivalent Stanford. The argument that the last four year's numbers for HB shouldn't count because Ivy admissions were easier then only makes sense if this year's numbers were worse for HB than those years -- but they're not. They're just as good if not better.

Finally, you can't have your cake and eat it too. If you don't want to count the last four years for HB, you can't count them for McLean either. Looking at this year alone, HB still outperforms McLean. Harvard, Stanford, Dartmouth, Cornell -- all in a class that's 1/4 the size of McLean. You'd need 16 Ivies this year at McLean (ok, 12 Ivies and 4 Stanfords) to match this result, and you don't have anywhere near that.

That data is for the HS graduating class of 2013 (college class of 2017) and with PP's direct from Ivy #s proves the point that elite college admissions has gotten much tougher in the last 5 years. The only VA area HS that is holding steady w/elite college admissions over the last 5 years is TJHSST.

Huh? What on earth are you talking about? Didn't I just show you that elite college admissions IS holding steady at HB?

[Anonymous]

Class of 2017 SATs at Langley and McLean were significantly higher than at HB Woodlawn (1288 and 1283, respectively, vs. 1244 at HB). The overall college placements at those schools are undoubtedly better as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the same source updated for Class of 2022.

https://www.toptieradmissions.com/resources/college-admissions-statistics/ivy-league-admission-statistics-for-class-of-2022/

And here is the data directly from the Ivy League. Applications are WAY up from 4 years ago and % admitted falling significantly. How is that not more selective?

http://www.thedp.com/article/2018/03/ivy-league-decisions-class-of-2022-penn-upenn-philadelphia-yale-university-harvard

Frankly, it doesn't mean they are more selective on any margin that matters. I looked at Naviance and was stunned to see how many kids with credentials like my kid were applying to Harvard, Brown, and Penn.

My kid is a great kid, but not Harvard material. Anyone with his credentials who applied to these schools was throwing away money.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Class of 2017 SATs at Langley and McLean were significantly higher than at HB Woodlawn (1288 and 1283, respectively, vs. 1244 at HB). The overall college placements at those schools are undoubtedly better as well.

Except they're not. And, as I just showed, they're definitely not at the top end. Prove otherwise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used this:

https://www.ivycoach.com/2017-ivy-league-admissions-statistics/

The best source would obviously be the common data set for each school, but I'm not going to invest the time to do that.

In any event, a dropping admission rate doesn't necessarily mean a schools is becoming more selective. It just as likely means that more kids are applying, and that the rising applicant pools include more kids who wouldn't have gotten in last year or the year before, etc. Every year kids apply to more and more colleges.

Then there's this: HB's Ivy League success HASN'T dropped over the four or five years. According to a PP, this year it's sending one to Harvard, one to Dartmouth, one to Cornell, and one to Ivy equivalent Stanford. The argument that the last four year's numbers for HB shouldn't count because Ivy admissions were easier then only makes sense if this year's numbers were worse for HB than those years -- but they're not. They're just as good if not better.

Finally, you can't have your cake and eat it too. If you don't want to count the last four years for HB, you can't count them for McLean either. Looking at this year alone, HB still outperforms McLean. Harvard, Stanford, Dartmouth, Cornell -- all in a class that's 1/4 the size of McLean. You'd need 16 Ivies this year at McLean (ok, 12 Ivies and 4 Stanfords) to match this result, and you don't have anywhere near that.

You keep comparing apples to oranges. It's not a legitimate basis for a comparison, but it does help explain why so many Arlington parents are aghast at APS continuing to operate H.B. Woodlawn as a small school/program, even as the neighborhood schools get bigger and bigger.

Why isn't it a legitimate basis for comparison? You don't test into HB, and the school is more diverse and less wealthy than McLean.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the same source updated for Class of 2022.

https://www.toptieradmissions.com/resources/college-admissions-statistics/ivy-league-admission-statistics-for-class-of-2022/

And here is the data directly from the Ivy League. Applications are WAY up from 4 years ago and % admitted falling significantly. How is that not more selective?

http://www.thedp.com/article/2018/03/ivy-league-decisions-class-of-2022-penn-upenn-philadelphia-yale-university-harvard

Frankly, it doesn't mean they are more selective on any margin that matters. I looked at Naviance and was stunned to see how many kids with credentials like my kid were applying to Harvard, Brown, and Penn.

My kid is a great kid, but not Harvard material. Anyone with his credentials who applied to these schools was throwing away money.

Exactly.

Thanks. I'm really perplexed by admissions. In the end, the US has grown more than the number of slots, and more middle income and low income kids see elite schools as a possibility. So, there should be some increase in selectivity since my generation (baby bust). Beyond that, it may be that

a) admissions is more random, or
b) more applications per kid means lower acceptance rates,
c) some schools have become more or less popular

But that's really about it.

It is also the case that super-scoring decreases the signal to noise ratio. This in turn increases randomness in admissions, which increases the optimal number of applications per kid, which decreases acceptance rates, and increases randomness...

But in the end, that doesn't make the entering class anymore qualified than the last one.

[Anonymous]

In 2017, HB Woodlawn sent more kids to VCU than to UVA, and sent more kids to JMU than UVA in 2016.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In 2017, HB Woodlawn sent more kids to VCU than to UVA, and sent more kids to JMU than UVA in 2016.

Not even remotely surprising. VCU has the best arts program in the state -- and one of the best in the country -- and HB has a lot of kids with an arts bent.

UVA has never been a big draw for HB grads. Too mainstream for many. Doesn't mean they're not applying or not getting in. For the year you listed, yes, only 4 went -- but 10 got in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the same source updated for Class of 2022.

https://www.toptieradmissions.com/resources/college-admissions-statistics/ivy-league-admission-statistics-for-class-of-2022/

And here is the data directly from the Ivy League. Applications are WAY up from 4 years ago and % admitted falling significantly. How is that not more selective?

http://www.thedp.com/article/2018/03/ivy-league-decisions-class-of-2022-penn-upenn-philadelphia-yale-university-harvard[/quote

As Ivy admissions become harder and harder they have a perceived element of luck. I think that actually drives MORE ppl to throw in a "you never know" application, which in turn just drives the admissions rate down. What we cant see is behind the black curtain: are things really changing for the kids who make the first cut.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 2017, HB Woodlawn sent more kids to VCU than to UVA, and sent more kids to JMU than UVA in 2016.

Not even remotely surprising. VCU has the best arts program in the state -- and one of the best in the country -- and HB has a lot of kids with an arts bent.

UVA has never been a big draw for HB grads. Too mainstream for many. Doesn't mean they're not applying or not getting in. For the year you listed, yes, only 4 went -- but 10 got in.

In 2016 almost twice as many HB students applied to UVA as VCU. Try again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 2017, HB Woodlawn sent more kids to VCU than to UVA, and sent more kids to JMU than UVA in 2016.

Not even remotely surprising. VCU has the best arts program in the state -- and one of the best in the country -- and HB has a lot of kids with an arts bent.

UVA has never been a big draw for HB grads. Too mainstream for many. Doesn't mean they're not applying or not getting in. For the year you listed, yes, only 4 went -- but 10 got in.

In 2016 almost twice as many HB students applied to UVA as VCU. Try again.

So what? Virtually every top NOVA high school student applies to either UVA or William and Mary or both. The point is, they didn't go. Plus I thought you said 2017, not 2016. And in 2017 28 kids applied to UVA and 26 applied to VCU. That's not double.

[Anonymous]

What are the stats for Fairfax High?