New Federal Data Shows How Black Students Are Getting Pushed Out Of School

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hate these dumb ass threads.

Somebody brings up a disparity affecting minorities that needs to be addressed and immediately people wanna spin shit and shift gears and turn the discussion into an arraignment on the culture and values of people of color.

If the internet and DCUM existed in 1956 and somebody created a thread about Rosa Parks and the Montgomery Bus Boycott, people would probably spin shit and start talking about how the real problem is that Negroes in the South aren't motivated enough to get out of poverty and buy their own cars.

Can't even go one page without the main issue (discrimination) getting totally abandoned and all worthwhile discussion that could possibly educate or advocate gets tossed aside in favor of pointless back-and-forth ping pong games of data and statistics to either prove or disprove how civilized or uncivilized minorities are.

Shit is ridiculous.

Nothing has changed. Nothing.

Yep.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Black children were over-punished at regular public schools, charter schools, magnet schools and alternative schools. It does not matter where children attend school (projects or middle class suburbs) or if they are being raised in a one-parent or two-parent household - - - If they are black, they are disciplined at a higher level.
Facts.

What is your source, Huff Post?

Huff post is a liberal hack site.

If you provide studies that are legitimate, people would take this issue more seriously.

[Anonymous]

From the study:

“ We selected one district in each state, and 19 schools within those districts, to serve as illustrative (non-generalizable) examples based on several criteria, including the presence of disparities in suspensions from school for Black students, boys, or students with disabilities...”

The study picked districts that had already been identified as having disparities across the district and then found there were disparities in those spots. But the disparity was part of the criteria for being included in the study.
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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

What is your source, Huff Post?

Huff post is a liberal hack site.

If you provide studies that are legitimate, people would take this issue more seriously.

https://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-18-258

K-12 EDUCATION:
Discipline Disparities for Black Students, Boys, and Students with Disabilities
GAO-18-258: Published: Mar 22, 2018. Publicly Released: Apr 4, 2018.

[Anonymous]

Thanks for posting the link. i have only skimmed it, but I see one area that I question. The study did list "school poverty" as a variable--but no where did I see a variable for those kids living in poverty compared to those who do not.

In my experience as a teacher, children living in poverty act out violently more than those who do not live in poverty. Of course, that is somewhat of a generalization, but it is an indicator. I did not see this in the study.

[Anonymous]

I will just share my own experience and looking at my brothers. We grew up in a majority white school in FCPS and it was absolutely true that they were subject to more severe discipline for things like fighting, pranks, etc. than the other white guys involved in the same nonsense.

My response was literally to fade to the background. I kept my nose down, but even I ran into issues as a bright student. I LITERALLY had a teacher refuse to write a recommendation because she didn't think I deserved a spot at the ivy league schools I had applied to. I had another where the counselor stepped in and informed me that after talking to the teacher she didn't think it was a good idea to have them write for me. These women were teaching AP classes in the 90's. None of them knew my credentials beyond my own grade in their class. They just assumed the "A" I had earned was a fluke or that my SAT was low. It was so, so frustrating because people doubt themselves and then you add racism to it and it's like this huge boulder you are carrying up the hill on a daily basis over and over. Add in a layer of sexism (you want to be an engineer?), it just sucked.

It's interesting seeing things from the other side. I'm not an engineer (I actually am a physician) and the cycle is going on again and in some ways it's better but in others I am so, so careful. Here's an excellent example. We can afford to live anywhere in Northern Virginia but after doing a massive amount of analysis live in West Springfield. You know why? It's the pyramid where African Americans have almost no achievement gap. It's a freaking unicorn, but I have been consistently impressed with their experiences. I have friends in Vienna, McLean, and Arlington and the stories are a complete shit show.

[Anonymous]

You must have the names of these teachers and counselors even if they've retired. Name and shame them.

[Anonymous]

Thank you, PP at 15:45.

I hope that nobody comes along to tell you that it was all in your head and/or you should get that chip off your shoulder and stop playing the race card.

[Anonymous]

“Thanks for posting the link. i have only skimmed it, but I see one area that I question. The study did list "school poverty" as a variable--but no where did I see a variable for those kids living in poverty compared to those who do not. ”

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thanks for posting the link. i have only skimmed it, but I see one area that I question. The study did list "school poverty" as a variable--but no where did I see a variable for those kids living in poverty compared to those who do not.

In my experience as a teacher, children living in poverty act out violently more than those who do not live in poverty. Of course, that is somewhat of a generalization, but it is an indicator. I did not see this in the study.

PP here. Another variable that I would like to see is those living in public housing vs those who don't. In my experience as a teacher, I think that is also something that should be considered. The kids I taught who lived in public housing had much worse behavior than poor students living elsewhere. That may just be my impression, but I would be interested in seeing someone do a study on that. A factor of living so close together?

[Anonymous]

Another variable I would like to see would be those from working families vs non-working. Also, single parent families vs non-single parent.

[Anonymous]

Social safety nets end up screwing up more people than would be screwed up with no social safety net. If education was necessary for economic survival the poor families would stay together and a much higher percentage would get educated. Sure some people would fall through the cracks and have very difficult lives but a much greater percentage would live productive and satisfying lives.

[Anonymous]

High school degrees are now meaningless. Who's fault is that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:High school degrees are now meaningless. Who's fault is that?

Mine. It’s my fault.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I will just share my own experience and looking at my brothers. We grew up in a majority white school in FCPS and it was absolutely true that they were subject to more severe discipline for things like fighting, pranks, etc. than the other white guys involved in the same nonsense.

My response was literally to fade to the background. I kept my nose down, but even I ran into issues as a bright student. I LITERALLY had a teacher refuse to write a recommendation because she didn't think I deserved a spot at the ivy league schools I had applied to. I had another where the counselor stepped in and informed me that after talking to the teacher she didn't think it was a good idea to have them write for me. These women were teaching AP classes in the 90's. None of them knew my credentials beyond my own grade in their class. They just assumed the "A" I had earned was a fluke or that my SAT was low. It was so, so frustrating because people doubt themselves and then you add racism to it and it's like this huge boulder you are carrying up the hill on a daily basis over and over. Add in a layer of sexism (you want to be an engineer?), it just sucked.

It's interesting seeing things from the other side. I'm not an engineer (I actually am a physician) and the cycle is going on again and in some ways it's better but in others I am so, so careful. Here's an excellent example. We can afford to live anywhere in Northern Virginia but after doing a massive amount of analysis live in West Springfield. You know why? It's the pyramid where African Americans have almost no achievement gap. It's a freaking unicorn, but I have been consistently impressed with their experiences. I have friends in Vienna, McLean, and Arlington and the stories are a complete shit show.

PP. I am house hunting and this is extremely helpful. Thank you, PP.