should you prep for iq tests?

[Anonymous]

1. if you truly want to know your child inborn intelligence, then don't prepping.
2. if you test for a specific purpose, e.g. AAP. I would say prepping since no strict rules says you cannot. By prepping, you might get a better chance to get in. Foremost, you believe your child can handle the AAP.
3. In this case, you take the test to Mensa. If Mensa says you are not supposed to prep but nobody would know if you did or not, then it depends on your own belief. WHY DO YOU EVEN ASK? Would you feel guilty if you prep or are you worried about Mensa would find out? Or are you trying to learn about people's mindset?
4. Competition has made us to work super hard. We compete to get in the AAP, to TJ, to top colleges, then hundreds compete for one job. As far as the methods are legal, I don't see why we cannot use them.
5. Prepping may improve IQ, but not going to be significant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:1. if you truly want to know your child inborn intelligence, then don't prepping.
2. if you test for a specific purpose, e.g. AAP. I would say prepping since no strict rules says you cannot. By prepping, you might get a better chance to get in. Foremost, you believe your child can handle the AAP.
3. In this case, you take the test to Mensa. If Mensa says you are not supposed to prep but nobody would know if you did or not, then it depends on your own belief. WHY DO YOU EVEN ASK? Would you feel guilty if you prep or are you worried about Mensa would find out? Or are you trying to learn about people's mindset?
4. Competition has made us to work super hard. We compete to get in the AAP, to TJ, to top colleges, then hundreds compete for one job. As far as the methods are legal, I don't see why we cannot use them.
5. Prepping may improve IQ, but not going to be significant.

1. I want to know my child's intelligence, but in relations to his/her peers. We do not live in the Mid-West, so comparing the child to that control group is a bit unsettling, especially since I want to understand the child's intelligence in relations to the peers here, in this area, who from what I know prep a lot.

2. This is for general purposes on what avenues to look for for the child, not specific to any program. So for example, if the kids in highly gifted programs have prepped, then I think I should also give my child that tool, so I can decide where the child stands in relation to those peers. That's why you prep for the GRE, GMAT, SAT, etc. No one says you shouldn't prep, and it does not matter how much you prep, if you don't have it in you, you can't get a perfect score.

3-5. Mensa was just an example, to show that prepping is not frowned upon by that society. They actually tell you to prep away, because they do not believe that prepping would make a difference, not significant anyway. What would be different for children? But then, if the difference would be 1-2 points, why even bother? If the test is preppable, then it is not a good test. If it is a good test and it can't be prepped, then what's ethical about not prepping?

[Anonymous]

^ Prepping may increase an IQ SCORE, but it won't increase actual IQ. The resulting IQ score will not be an accurate reflection of IQ, since the tests are designed to measure how well you handle novel problems and not practiced ones.

That being said, all of the tests are easily prepped, and people are going to prep if they perceive that it will give their children an academic advantage. FCPS needs to fix the problem by finding tests that cannot as easily be prepped, or using other criteria for AAP selection. Chastising individual parents for cheating isn't going to change anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. if you truly want to know your child inborn intelligence, then don't prepping.
2. if you test for a specific purpose, e.g. AAP. I would say prepping since no strict rules says you cannot. By prepping, you might get a better chance to get in. Foremost, you believe your child can handle the AAP.
3. In this case, you take the test to Mensa. If Mensa says you are not supposed to prep but nobody would know if you did or not, then it depends on your own belief. WHY DO YOU EVEN ASK? Would you feel guilty if you prep or are you worried about Mensa would find out? Or are you trying to learn about people's mindset?
4. Competition has made us to work super hard. We compete to get in the AAP, to TJ, to top colleges, then hundreds compete for one job. As far as the methods are legal, I don't see why we cannot use them.
5. Prepping may improve IQ, but not going to be significant.

1. I want to know my child's intelligence, but in relations to his/her peers. We do not live in the Mid-West, so comparing the child to that control group is a bit unsettling, especially since I want to understand the child's intelligence in relations to the peers here, in this area, who from what I know prep a lot.

2. This is for general purposes on what avenues to look for for the child, not specific to any program. So for example, if the kids in highly gifted programs have prepped, then I think I should also give my child that tool, so I can decide where the child stands in relation to those peers. That's why you prep for the GRE, GMAT, SAT, etc. No one says you shouldn't prep, and it does not matter how much you prep, if you don't have it in you, you can't get a perfect score.

3-5. Mensa was just an example, to show that prepping is not frowned upon by that society. They actually tell you to prep away, because they do not believe that prepping would make a difference, not significant anyway. What would be different for children? But then, if the difference would be 1-2 points, why even bother? If the test is preppable, then it is not a good test. If it is a good test and it can't be prepped, then what's ethical about not prepping?

Most of the kids in AAP weren't prepped. It's a very big county, a handful of posters or kids in prep classes are not representative.

[Anonymous]

These sporadic prep vs don't prep discussions are hilarious! Doesn't reality catch up one way or another? If an unqualified person is prepped and gets into AAP, won't they burn out and drop out eventually? If they didn't burn out, obviously they would have qualified on their own anyway..

So why bother talking about it at all?!

[Anonymous]

I never said that this was for AAP. As a matter of fact, I am sure my child has very high IQ. The point is, what is the effect of prepping, and is it worth doing it if people in your area are doing it.

My child is in AAP, and unfortunately AAP is a bit slow for child's pace. So far it is the best the child has been in, and from what I gather from teachers and counselors in the area, it is as good as it gets in NOVA. Many private schools will either not accelerate enough, or will only want to deal with 'model' children. That makes public school a better choice, because it helps relax the child.

As per more acceleration, I don't know if I want to push the child further, or just leave the child alone. An IQ test may help me make that decision, and if I want to compare my kid to others who have been accelerated, I want to compare them using the same standard, so I can make an informed decision.

So if little Johny and little Lucy got 155s on their IQ tests and thrived in an accelerated environment, but also prepped for the IQ tests, and my child got a 145, but did not prep, can I use Johny and Lucy as comparisons? Would my child get to go from a 145 to a 155 with prepping, or little Johny and little Lucy were going to get that score regardless of their prepping?

This is a practical question, not an ethical one. I'm not sure why so many of you are so worried with other people 'gaming' the system. Only one poster asked: Why do you need to know? Most of the rest of you jumped and pointed fingers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I never said that this was for AAP. As a matter of fact, I am sure my child has very high IQ. The point is, what is the effect of prepping, and is it worth doing it if people in your area are doing it.

My child is in AAP, and unfortunately AAP is a bit slow for child's pace. So far it is the best the child has been in, and from what I gather from teachers and counselors in the area, it is as good as it gets in NOVA. Many private schools will either not accelerate enough, or will only want to deal with 'model' children. That makes public school a better choice, because it helps relax the child.

As per more acceleration, I don't know if I want to push the child further, or just leave the child alone. An IQ test may help me make that decision, and if I want to compare my kid to others who have been accelerated, I want to compare them using the same standard, so I can make an informed decision.

So if little Johny and little Lucy got 155s on their IQ tests and thrived in an accelerated environment, but also prepped for the IQ tests, and my child got a 145, but did not prep, can I use Johny and Lucy as comparisons? Would my child get to go from a 145 to a 155 with prepping, or little Johny and little Lucy were going to get that score regardless of their prepping?

This is a practical question, not an ethical one. I'm not sure why so many of you are so worried with other people 'gaming' the system. Only one poster asked: Why do you need to know? Most of the rest of you jumped and pointed fingers.

Then start with your real question OP.
This has become tedious and boring, a bit like you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I never said that this was for AAP. As a matter of fact, I am sure my child has very high IQ. The point is, what is the effect of prepping, and is it worth doing it if people in your area are doing it.

My child is in AAP, and unfortunately AAP is a bit slow for child's pace. So far it is the best the child has been in, and from what I gather from teachers and counselors in the area, it is as good as it gets in NOVA. Many private schools will either not accelerate enough, or will only want to deal with 'model' children. That makes public school a better choice, because it helps relax the child.

As per more acceleration, I don't know if I want to push the child further, or just leave the child alone. An IQ test may help me make that decision, and if I want to compare my kid to others who have been accelerated, I want to compare them using the same standard, so I can make an informed decision.

So if little Johny and little Lucy got 155s on their IQ tests and thrived in an accelerated environment, but also prepped for the IQ tests, and my child got a 145, but did not prep, can I use Johny and Lucy as comparisons? Would my child get to go from a 145 to a 155 with prepping, or little Johny and little Lucy were going to get that score regardless of their prepping?

This is a practical question, not an ethical one. I'm not sure why so many of you are so worried with other people 'gaming' the system. Only one poster asked: Why do you need to know? Most of the rest of you jumped and pointed fingers.

The OP was, should you prep for an IQ test? The answer is No.

If you want to talk about IQ tests and AAP, that's a separate question. Or, according to you, the same question. If you think the answer is Yes, then go ahead and prep your child for the IQ test.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I never said that this was for AAP. As a matter of fact, I am sure my child has very high IQ. The point is, what is the effect of prepping, and is it worth doing it if people in your area are doing it.

My child is in AAP, and unfortunately AAP is a bit slow for child's pace. So far it is the best the child has been in, and from what I gather from teachers and counselors in the area, it is as good as it gets in NOVA. Many private schools will either not accelerate enough, or will only want to deal with 'model' children. That makes public school a better choice, because it helps relax the child.

As per more acceleration, I don't know if I want to push the child further, or just leave the child alone. An IQ test may help me make that decision, and if I want to compare my kid to others who have been accelerated, I want to compare them using the same standard, so I can make an informed decision.

So if little Johny and little Lucy got 155s on their IQ tests and thrived in an accelerated environment, but also prepped for the IQ tests, and my child got a 145, but did not prep, can I use Johny and Lucy as comparisons? Would my child get to go from a 145 to a 155 with prepping, or little Johny and little Lucy were going to get that score regardless of their prepping?

This is a practical question, not an ethical one. I'm not sure why so many of you are so worried with other people 'gaming' the system. Only one poster asked: Why do you need to know? Most of the rest of you jumped and pointed fingers.

Then start with your real question OP.
This has become tedious and boring, a bit like you.

if you knew how to read, you'd know the question I asked.

If you are bored, unfollow this post. It's easy! Just stop reading and replying. Or, do you lack self control?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I never said that this was for AAP. As a matter of fact, I am sure my child has very high IQ. The point is, what is the effect of prepping, and is it worth doing it if people in your area are doing it.

My child is in AAP, and unfortunately AAP is a bit slow for child's pace. So far it is the best the child has been in, and from what I gather from teachers and counselors in the area, it is as good as it gets in NOVA. Many private schools will either not accelerate enough, or will only want to deal with 'model' children. That makes public school a better choice, because it helps relax the child.

As per more acceleration, I don't know if I want to push the child further, or just leave the child alone. An IQ test may help me make that decision, and if I want to compare my kid to others who have been accelerated, I want to compare them using the same standard, so I can make an informed decision.

So if little Johny and little Lucy got 155s on their IQ tests and thrived in an accelerated environment, but also prepped for the IQ tests, and my child got a 145, but did not prep, can I use Johny and Lucy as comparisons? Would my child get to go from a 145 to a 155 with prepping, or little Johny and little Lucy were going to get that score regardless of their prepping?

This is a practical question, not an ethical one. I'm not sure why so many of you are so worried with other people 'gaming' the system. Only one poster asked: Why do you need to know? Most of the rest of you jumped and pointed fingers.

The OP was, should you prep for an IQ test? The answer is No.

If you want to talk about IQ tests and AAP, that's a separate question. Or, according to you, the same question. If you think the answer is Yes, then go ahead and prep your child for the IQ test.

I'm not sure I understand your statement. Can you please clarify? Thanks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I never said that this was for AAP. As a matter of fact, I am sure my child has very high IQ. The point is, what is the effect of prepping, and is it worth doing it if people in your area are doing it.

My child is in AAP, and unfortunately AAP is a bit slow for child's pace. So far it is the best the child has been in, and from what I gather from teachers and counselors in the area, it is as good as it gets in NOVA. Many private schools will either not accelerate enough, or will only want to deal with 'model' children. That makes public school a better choice, because it helps relax the child.

As per more acceleration, I don't know if I want to push the child further, or just leave the child alone. An IQ test may help me make that decision, and if I want to compare my kid to others who have been accelerated, I want to compare them using the same standard, so I can make an informed decision.

So if little Johny and little Lucy got 155s on their IQ tests and thrived in an accelerated environment, but also prepped for the IQ tests, and my child got a 145, but did not prep, can I use Johny and Lucy as comparisons? Would my child get to go from a 145 to a 155 with prepping, or little Johny and little Lucy were going to get that score regardless of their prepping?

This is a practical question, not an ethical one. I'm not sure why so many of you are so worried with other people 'gaming' the system. Only one poster asked: Why do you need to know? Most of the rest of you jumped and pointed fingers.

OP. Valid question. You should be comparing your child to Johny and Lucy. My personal belief is that while intelligence is innate, success is a result of training and practice. Because of that belief, I don't care to test or want to know my child's IQ. I can determine their limits based on my personal observation. I don't need an uninterested psychologist telling me what that number. Even if I know, how does that translate into math or other ability? What's the practical use of this number called IQ?

Applying that to the context of FCPS, if the school wants to "test" my child, I will prep to make sure my child gets past the established benchmark. So hypothetically, if the cut-off was 150 and my child scored 151, I'm good. Maybe my child would have scored only 145 unprepared and not made the cut but since my personal belief system emphasizes effort over innate intelligence, I don't spend much time pondering those what-ifs. If others feel that I'm "gaming" or "cheating" that's their prerogative and a lot of people on DCUM certainly exercise their prerogatives .

If my child does not do well in this new environment because they do not belong there, i will move them down to the appropriate level but I will determine when and why, not some school administrator.
The OP was, should you prep for an IQ test? The answer is No.

If you want to talk about IQ tests and AAP, that's a separate question. Or, according to you, the same question. If you think the answer is Yes, then go ahead and prep your child for the IQ test.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I never said that this was for AAP. As a matter of fact, I am sure my child has very high IQ. The point is, what is the effect of prepping, and is it worth doing it if people in your area are doing it.

My child is in AAP, and unfortunately AAP is a bit slow for child's pace. So far it is the best the child has been in, and from what I gather from teachers and counselors in the area, it is as good as it gets in NOVA. Many private schools will either not accelerate enough, or will only want to deal with 'model' children. That makes public school a better choice, because it helps relax the child.

As per more acceleration, I don't know if I want to push the child further, or just leave the child alone. An IQ test may help me make that decision, and if I want to compare my kid to others who have been accelerated, I want to compare them using the same standard, so I can make an informed decision.

So if little Johny and little Lucy got 155s on their IQ tests and thrived in an accelerated environment, but also prepped for the IQ tests, and my child got a 145, but did not prep, can I use Johny and Lucy as comparisons? Would my child get to go from a 145 to a 155 with prepping, or little Johny and little Lucy were going to get that score regardless of their prepping?

This is a practical question, not an ethical one. I'm not sure why so many of you are so worried with other people 'gaming' the system. Only one poster asked: Why do you need to know? Most of the rest of you jumped and pointed fingers.

OP. Valid question. You should be comparing your child to Johny and Lucy. My personal belief is that while intelligence is innate, success is a result of training and practice. Because of that belief, I don't care to test or want to know my child's IQ. I can determine their limits based on my personal observation. I don't need an uninterested psychologist telling me what that number. Even if I know, how does that translate into math or other ability? What's the practical use of this number called IQ?

Applying that to the context of FCPS, if the school wants to "test" my child, I will prep to make sure my child gets past the established benchmark. So hypothetically, if the cut-off was 150 and my child scored 151, I'm good. Maybe my child would have scored only 145 unprepared and not made the cut but since my personal belief system emphasizes effort over innate intelligence, I don't spend much time pondering those what-ifs. If others feel that I'm "gaming" or "cheating" that's their prerogative and a lot of people on DCUM certainly exercise their prerogatives .

If my child does not do well in this new environment because they do not belong there, i will move them down to the appropriate level but I will determine when and why, not some school administrator.

You have very good points, and a viewpoint that I had not completely considered.

thanks!.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I never said that this was for AAP. As a matter of fact, I am sure my child has very high IQ. The point is, what is the effect of prepping, and is it worth doing it if people in your area are doing it.

My child is in AAP, and unfortunately AAP is a bit slow for child's pace. So far it is the best the child has been in, and from what I gather from teachers and counselors in the area, it is as good as it gets in NOVA. Many private schools will either not accelerate enough, or will only want to deal with 'model' children. That makes public school a better choice, because it helps relax the child.

As per more acceleration, I don't know if I want to push the child further, or just leave the child alone. An IQ test may help me make that decision, and if I want to compare my kid to others who have been accelerated, I want to compare them using the same standard, so I can make an informed decision.

So if little Johny and little Lucy got 155s on their IQ tests and thrived in an accelerated environment, but also prepped for the IQ tests, and my child got a 145, but did not prep, can I use Johny and Lucy as comparisons? Would my child get to go from a 145 to a 155 with prepping, or little Johny and little Lucy were going to get that score regardless of their prepping?

This is a practical question, not an ethical one. I'm not sure why so many of you are so worried with other people 'gaming' the system. Only one poster asked: Why do you need to know? Most of the rest of you jumped and pointed fingers.

OP. Valid question. You should be comparing your child to Johny and Lucy. My personal belief is that while intelligence is innate, success is a result of training and practice. Because of that belief, I don't care to test or want to know my child's IQ. I can determine their limits based on my personal observation. I don't need an uninterested psychologist telling me what that number. Even if I know, how does that translate into math or other ability? What's the practical use of this number called IQ?

Applying that to the context of FCPS, if the school wants to "test" my child, I will prep to make sure my child gets past the established benchmark. So hypothetically, if the cut-off was 150 and my child scored 151, I'm good. Maybe my child would have scored only 145 unprepared and not made the cut but since my personal belief system emphasizes effort over innate intelligence, I don't spend much time pondering those what-ifs. If others feel that I'm "gaming" or "cheating" that's their prerogative and a lot of people on DCUM certainly exercise their prerogatives .

If my child does not do well in this new environment because they do not belong there, i will move them down to the appropriate level but I will determine when and why, not some school administrator.

You have very good points, and a viewpoint that I had not completely considered.

thanks!.

Yes, thank you PP for finally giving OP the answer desired.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I never said that this was for AAP. As a matter of fact, I am sure my child has very high IQ. The point is, what is the effect of prepping, and is it worth doing it if people in your area are doing it.

My child is in AAP, and unfortunately AAP is a bit slow for child's pace. So far it is the best the child has been in, and from what I gather from teachers and counselors in the area, it is as good as it gets in NOVA. Many private schools will either not accelerate enough, or will only want to deal with 'model' children. That makes public school a better choice, because it helps relax the child.

As per more acceleration, I don't know if I want to push the child further, or just leave the child alone. An IQ test may help me make that decision, and if I want to compare my kid to others who have been accelerated, I want to compare them using the same standard, so I can make an informed decision.

So if little Johny and little Lucy got 155s on their IQ tests and thrived in an accelerated environment, but also prepped for the IQ tests, and my child got a 145, but did not prep, can I use Johny and Lucy as comparisons? Would my child get to go from a 145 to a 155 with prepping, or little Johny and little Lucy were going to get that score regardless of their prepping?

This is a practical question, not an ethical one. I'm not sure why so many of you are so worried with other people 'gaming' the system. Only one poster asked: Why do you need to know? Most of the rest of you jumped and pointed fingers.

OP. Valid question. You should be comparing your child to Johny and Lucy. My personal belief is that while intelligence is innate, success is a result of training and practice. Because of that belief, I don't care to test or want to know my child's IQ. I can determine their limits based on my personal observation. I don't need an uninterested psychologist telling me what that number. Even if I know, how does that translate into math or other ability? What's the practical use of this number called IQ?

Applying that to the context of FCPS, if the school wants to "test" my child, I will prep to make sure my child gets past the established benchmark. So hypothetically, if the cut-off was 150 and my child scored 151, I'm good. Maybe my child would have scored only 145 unprepared and not made the cut but since my personal belief system emphasizes effort over innate intelligence, I don't spend much time pondering those what-ifs. If others feel that I'm "gaming" or "cheating" that's their prerogative and a lot of people on DCUM certainly exercise their prerogatives .

If my child does not do well in this new environment because they do not belong there, i will move them down to the appropriate level but I will determine when and why, not some school administrator.

You have very good points, and a viewpoint that I had not completely considered.

thanks!.

Yes, thank you PP for finally giving OP the answer desired.

You must not be bored yet!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I never said that this was for AAP. As a matter of fact, I am sure my child has very high IQ. The point is, what is the effect of prepping, and is it worth doing it if people in your area are doing it.

My child is in AAP, and unfortunately AAP is a bit slow for child's pace. So far it is the best the child has been in, and from what I gather from teachers and counselors in the area, it is as good as it gets in NOVA. Many private schools will either not accelerate enough, or will only want to deal with 'model' children. That makes public school a better choice, because it helps relax the child.

As per more acceleration, I don't know if I want to push the child further, or just leave the child alone. An IQ test may help me make that decision, and if I want to compare my kid to others who have been accelerated, I want to compare them using the same standard, so I can make an informed decision.

So if little Johny and little Lucy got 155s on their IQ tests and thrived in an accelerated environment, but also prepped for the IQ tests, and my child got a 145, but did not prep, can I use Johny and Lucy as comparisons? Would my child get to go from a 145 to a 155 with prepping, or little Johny and little Lucy were going to get that score regardless of their prepping?

This is a practical question, not an ethical one. I'm not sure why so many of you are so worried with other people 'gaming' the system. Only one poster asked: Why do you need to know? Most of the rest of you jumped and pointed fingers.

OP. Valid question. You should be comparing your child to Johny and Lucy. My personal belief is that while intelligence is innate, success is a result of training and practice. Because of that belief, I don't care to test or want to know my child's IQ. I can determine their limits based on my personal observation. I don't need an uninterested psychologist telling me what that number. Even if I know, how does that translate into math or other ability? What's the practical use of this number called IQ?

Applying that to the context of FCPS, if the school wants to "test" my child, I will prep to make sure my child gets past the established benchmark. So hypothetically, if the cut-off was 150 and my child scored 151, I'm good. Maybe my child would have scored only 145 unprepared and not made the cut but since my personal belief system emphasizes effort over innate intelligence, I don't spend much time pondering those what-ifs. If others feel that I'm "gaming" or "cheating" that's their prerogative and a lot of people on DCUM certainly exercise their prerogatives .

If my child does not do well in this new environment because they do not belong there, i will move them down to the appropriate level but I will determine when and why, not some school administrator.

You have very good points, and a viewpoint that I had not completely considered.

thanks!.

Yes, thank you PP for finally giving OP the answer desired.

You must not be bored yet!

You most definitely are, though. Why else would you be continuing this mindless drivel?