should you prep for iq tests?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Mensa sends you a practice test, so you can take that before you take the real thing.

Should your kids prep for their IQ test?

What if the kids like the puzzle like games that are similar to the IQ test, and they play with them without you prompting?

1. we got in Mensa with NNAT test result, paid application and membership, then realized that nothing has been in place for children, not worth it.
2. Practice can definitely help improve IQ result. I don't see why not to prep

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mensa sends you a practice test, so you can take that before you take the real thing.

Should your kids prep for their IQ test?

What if the kids like the puzzle like games that are similar to the IQ test, and they play with them without you prompting?

1. we got in Mensa with NNAT test result, paid application and membership, then realized that nothing has been in place for children, not worth it.
2. Practice can definitely help improve IQ result. I don't see why not to prep

But the "result" is invalid and does not give an accurate view of what the test is supposed to be testing. So why even waste your time?

(Not to mention, if the tester finds out your child prepped, he/she will stop the test and/or make very clear that the results are not valid.)

[Anonymous]

Yes, definitely. Younger the better. Today, you have to use any tools to get your kid ahead. If your kid fails, it is only because others prepped so it is not really not about giving a leg up, it is evening the field. Just like in college sports and academics, it is not cheating if everyone is taking stimulants. You know they are, all these kids on ritalin are on it for sports, and found a Dr to prescribe it. Are they to let their kid lose on playing the line up just because they have a higher ethical and moral standard? If your kid plays tennis and his opponent cheats and wins, is it really cheating? Your kid had the chance to call the balls that were in out too. Just like these other parents coached their kid what to say to get Dr to prescribe stimulants. How is this even a question? Practice makes perfect, just keep quiet about it and then tell all the other parents how high your kid scored out of the blue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, definitely. Younger the better. Today, you have to use any tools to get your kid ahead. If your kid fails, it is only because others prepped so it is not really not about giving a leg up, it is evening the field. Just like in college sports and academics, it is not cheating if everyone is taking stimulants. You know they are, all these kids on ritalin are on it for sports, and found a Dr to prescribe it. Are they to let their kid lose on playing the line up just because they have a higher ethical and moral standard? If your kid plays tennis and his opponent cheats and wins, is it really cheating? Your kid had the chance to call the balls that were in out too. Just like these other parents coached their kid what to say to get Dr to prescribe stimulants. How is this even a question? Practice makes perfect, just keep quiet about it and then tell all the other parents how high your kid scored out of the blue.

I think this is sarcasm but it's so hard to tell lately.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, definitely. Younger the better. Today, you have to use any tools to get your kid ahead. If your kid fails, it is only because others prepped so it is not really not about giving a leg up, it is evening the field. Just like in college sports and academics, it is not cheating if everyone is taking stimulants. You know they are, all these kids on ritalin are on it for sports, and found a Dr to prescribe it. Are they to let their kid lose on playing the line up just because they have a higher ethical and moral standard? If your kid plays tennis and his opponent cheats and wins, is it really cheating? Your kid had the chance to call the balls that were in out too. Just like these other parents coached their kid what to say to get Dr to prescribe stimulants. How is this even a question? Practice makes perfect, just keep quiet about it and then tell all the other parents how high your kid scored out of the blue.

I think this is sarcasm but it's so hard to tell lately.

And that is the saddest part of this whole thread!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, definitely. Younger the better. Today, you have to use any tools to get your kid ahead. If your kid fails, it is only because others prepped so it is not really not about giving a leg up, it is evening the field. Just like in college sports and academics, it is not cheating if everyone is taking stimulants. You know they are, all these kids on ritalin are on it for sports, and found a Dr to prescribe it. Are they to let their kid lose on playing the line up just because they have a higher ethical and moral standard? If your kid plays tennis and his opponent cheats and wins, is it really cheating? Your kid had the chance to call the balls that were in out too. Just like these other parents coached their kid what to say to get Dr to prescribe stimulants. How is this even a question? Practice makes perfect, just keep quiet about it and then tell all the other parents how high your kid scored out of the blue.

I think that was Lance Armstrong’s exact argument on why it was ok to dope - because everyone was doing it! Unfortunately it didn’t hold any water and he was stripped of his Gold medals anyway. What a disgrace!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, definitely. Younger the better. Today, you have to use any tools to get your kid ahead. If your kid fails, it is only because others prepped so it is not really not about giving a leg up, it is evening the field. Just like in college sports and academics, it is not cheating if everyone is taking stimulants. You know they are, all these kids on ritalin are on it for sports, and found a Dr to prescribe it. Are they to let their kid lose on playing the line up just because they have a higher ethical and moral standard? If your kid plays tennis and his opponent cheats and wins, is it really cheating? Your kid had the chance to call the balls that were in out too. Just like these other parents coached their kid what to say to get Dr to prescribe stimulants. How is this even a question? Practice makes perfect, just keep quiet about it and then tell all the other parents how high your kid scored out of the blue.

I think that was Lance Armstrong’s exact argument on why it was ok to dope - because everyone was doing it! Unfortunately it didn’t hold any water and he was stripped of his Gold medals anyway. What a disgrace!

Well, doping is illegal, and very clear contracts are in place to account for such situations. No one gets stripped off medals for ethics. Ethics are a way to enforce what you like, while not following the law. As far as I know, no one sends you instructions on not prepping for IQ tests. Gmu certainly doesn't, and even the private psychologists, who send instructions by email don't tell you not to prep because that would invalidate the results. All they ask is if the child has taken the specific test within the last year.

So all of you 'ethical' people, please keep your rotten ethics to yourself.

[Anonymous]

Why that is an oxymoron if you ever heard one! "Ethical people, keep your rotten ethics to yourself." Love it. While my post was sarcastic clearly plenty of people do have that mind set. That mind set hurts their kids the most, and they will never be able to see that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, definitely. Younger the better. Today, you have to use any tools to get your kid ahead. If your kid fails, it is only because others prepped so it is not really not about giving a leg up, it is evening the field. Just like in college sports and academics, it is not cheating if everyone is taking stimulants. You know they are, all these kids on ritalin are on it for sports, and found a Dr to prescribe it. Are they to let their kid lose on playing the line up just because they have a higher ethical and moral standard? If your kid plays tennis and his opponent cheats and wins, is it really cheating? Your kid had the chance to call the balls that were in out too. Just like these other parents coached their kid what to say to get Dr to prescribe stimulants. How is this even a question? Practice makes perfect, just keep quiet about it and then tell all the other parents how high your kid scored out of the blue.

I think that was Lance Armstrong’s exact argument on why it was ok to dope - because everyone was doing it! Unfortunately it didn’t hold any water and he was stripped of his Gold medals anyway. What a disgrace!

Well, doping is illegal, and very clear contracts are in place to account for such situations. No one gets stripped off medals for ethics. Ethics are a way to enforce what you like, while not following the law. As far as I know, no one sends you instructions on not prepping for IQ tests. Gmu certainly doesn't, and even the private psychologists, who send instructions by email don't tell you not to prep because that would invalidate the results. All they ask is if the child has taken the specific test within the last year.

So all of you 'ethical' people, please keep your rotten ethics to yourself. [/quote

So let me get this straight...taking stimulants for sports is not illegal? I thought that was considered abusing prescription drugs, which I thought was illegal. Or lying to a dr about your condition so as to get those drugs for said sports? Hmmm....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why that is an oxymoron if you ever heard one! "Ethical people, keep your rotten ethics to yourself." Love it. While my post was sarcastic clearly plenty of people do have that mind set. That mind set hurts their kids the most, and they will never be able to see that.

Rthicsl was in quotation marks, wich makes it a lack of ethics. That clearly shows your personal writing skills.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, definitely. Younger the better. Today, you have to use any tools to get your kid ahead. If your kid fails, it is only because others prepped so it is not really not about giving a leg up, it is evening the field. Just like in college sports and academics, it is not cheating if everyone is taking stimulants. You know they are, all these kids on ritalin are on it for sports, and found a Dr to prescribe it. Are they to let their kid lose on playing the line up just because they have a higher ethical and moral standard? If your kid plays tennis and his opponent cheats and wins, is it really cheating? Your kid had the chance to call the balls that were in out too. Just like these other parents coached their kid what to say to get Dr to prescribe stimulants. How is this even a question? Practice makes perfect, just keep quiet about it and then tell all the other parents how high your kid scored out of the blue.

I think that was Lance Armstrong’s exact argument on why it was ok to dope - because everyone was doing it! Unfortunately it didn’t hold any water and he was stripped of his Gold medals anyway. What a disgrace!

Well, doping is illegal, and very clear contracts are in place to account for such situations. No one gets stripped off medals for ethics. Ethics are a way to enforce what you like, while not following the law. As far as I know, no one sends you instructions on not prepping for IQ tests. Gmu certainly doesn't, and even the private psychologists, who send instructions by email don't tell you not to prep because that would invalidate the results. All they ask is if the child has taken the specific test within the last year.

So all of you 'ethical' people, please keep your rotten ethics to yourself. [/quote

So let me get this straight...taking stimulants for sports is not illegal? I thought that was considered abusing prescription drugs, which I thought was illegal. Or lying to a dr about your condition so as to get those drugs for said sports? Hmmm....

??

Doping/stimulants/lying to doctors IS illegal. What’s so confusing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why that is an oxymoron if you ever heard one! "Ethical people, keep your rotten ethics to yourself." Love it. While my post was sarcastic clearly plenty of people do have that mind set. That mind set hurts their kids the most, and they will never be able to see that.

Rthicsl was in quotation marks, wich makes it a lack of ethics. That clearly shows your personal writing skills.

DP. IOW, gaming the system is fine as long as you don't get caught. Admirable ethics. Please pass them on to your DC.

[Anonymous]

From the responses I read I'm sure that no matter how much prepping you people will do, you'll never be able to increase your iq scores. Poor children who carry your genes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From the responses I read I'm sure that no matter how much prepping you people will do, you'll never be able to increase your iq scores. Poor children who carry your genes.

Exactly! So why all the hand-wringing about others that make their kids prep? What are you afraid of? Let them be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You can't get an actual copy of the test unless you have the appropriate license. The publishing companies go to great lengths to keep the tests secure so they are valid.

There are some disreputable companies who try their hardest to duplicate the test in order to prep kids and allegedly boost their performance. There is no actual evidence this works. Also, the second your child starts saying things like "Oh, yeah, these puzzles again!" and "I practiced questions like this with my tutor Miss Judy." the psychologist will know your child was prepped. They will either stop testing, or put language in the report indicating that the scores may be invalid or artificially inflated.

As for playing and doing puzzles with your child, knock yourself out. These activities are unlikely to affect your child's performance, though.

If there is no evidence that that works, why would it then invalidate the test?

Because it is cheating and the norms are based on children who did not prep! Thus, the score is invalid!

Yes. The tests are not normed on children who have had multiple exposures to them, so it is difficult to interpret scores of children who have been exposed to the test materials inappropriately. In real life situations you do not give the same child the same IQ test within a 6 month-1 year time period because their scores MAY be affected due to practice effects.

So, putting aside all ethics, if you choose to prep your child using materials from a company who has unethically tried to replicate the IQ test, your child might have a slight boost[b] in scores due to practice effects. [b]Or they may not. Or their scores may go down because the practice they did was just different enough they are confused about what is actually expected of them. Or they are bored with it. There are lots of ways this plan can go wrong. Including the child alerting the examiner to their practice, which, ethically, the examiner is required to address, either by stopping testing or by noting in the final report that the scores may be invalid.

You need to make up your mind. Assigning the same probability to each of your outcomes, the net result of prepping is zero. So do you care if others waste their time and money to do so? Let them prep and let them face the consequences. or not.