Let’s Talk APS High Schools: 4th one or no?

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There are plenty of parents Zoned to Yorktown and WL who don’t want a school at Kenmore for the same reasons they don’t want kids at the CC. In any scenario north Arlington families get sent south. I would bet they rip that bandaid off and make the CC work. They will move stadiums and such off the main campus.

WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER

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There are plenty of parents Zoned to Yorktown and WL who don’t want a school at Kenmore for the same reasons they don’t want kids at the CC. In any scenario north Arlington families get sent south. I would bet they rip that bandaid off and make the CC work. They will move stadiums and such off the main campus.

WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER

Doubtful, when you consider who lives in those neighborhoods. I mean, I'd be very surprised. But if it does happen, please consider your neighbors to west who are NOT Glencarlyn. Take us with you if this goes through!

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There are plenty of parents Zoned to Yorktown and WL who don’t want a school at Kenmore for the same reasons they don’t want kids at the CC. In any scenario north Arlington families get sent south. I would bet they rip that bandaid off and make the CC work. They will move stadiums and such off the main campus.

WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER

Doubtful, when you consider who lives in those neighborhoods. I mean, I'd be very surprised. But if it does happen, please consider your neighbors to west who are NOT Glencarlyn. Take us with you if this goes through!

Exactly. No one will want to be zoned to Wakefield.

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Anonymous wrote:The main barrier to improving access around Kenmore is not just FFX but also VDOT. And that same line-up really turned out in Arlington’s favor with the 66 tolling (not). It is frustrating as anything but I get why the CB and SB think it is a lost cause. They know it would take years of fighting with an uncertain outcome.

I just do not understand why Arlington's ability to develop on the Kenmore site is dependent upon VDOT and FFX Co. We built a middle school there. There is an elementary school adjacent to the parcel. The main traffic problem is not Carlin Springs itself, but the inefficient layout of the Kenmore site and there being only one entrance, which is also the only exit. Getting off that site after a big event is the problem. Traffic is the argument every single neighborhood cites to object to a new school development. But guess what - they build it anyway. Kenmore should be no different. There are things that can be done even without FFX or VDOT. And I also don't understand why the middle school students would have to relocate. This site is the biggest in APS, isn't it? It's bigger than Wakefield. The elementary school does not sit on its acreage -- it has 4 acres of its own, and has separate access.

I agree with you about the acreage. But whatever the reasons were, they are developing the CC site NOW. We need a fourth high school yesterday. They are building it NOW. Budget-wise, it would be crazy to think that they will build two new high schools within the next 10 years, or even the next 20 years.

They are going to add seats at the Career Center now; but as far as a full-sized high school, that's a phased development project. They are NOT building a fourth comprehensive there "now." More importantly, if you do want a fourth high school out of the Career Center project, you had better get engaged in that process and push for it. The neighborhood wants it, yes. But the neighbors to its north across route 50 in Lyon Park and Ashton Heights DON'T and are lobbying HARD against a fourth neighborhood high school at the Career Center. Why? Because due to their proximity, they are well within the effective walk zone and are very likely to be assigned to it. They will fight to the death to remain at W-L.

Until this, I would have said a fourth comprehensive will ultimately go at the Career Center because we need one and the SB will eagerly accept a willing neighborhood's offer and will NOT pushback on Glencarlyn. However, the SB is not guaranteed to accept the Career Center work group's recommendations or plan; and if they receive enough resistance to a neighborhood school there, they will placate the loud objectors and just create more option programs there instead. Then when we still need a fourth neighborhood high school, it'll be a mess and we'll have to go to Kenmore for SOMEthing.....which brings me the comment about it all happening now at the Career Center so why bother with Kenmore: the point about Kenmore is that it is simply unjustifiable to allow all that space that APS already owns to remain so hugely under-utilized. You can't fit all the comprehensive high school amenities on the Career Center site. So, hey, how about building a gigantic football stadium at Kenmore for the future 3,000 high school students on the CareerCenter site to use?!

There are plenty of parents Zoned to Yorktown and WL who don’t want a school at Kenmore for the same reasons they don’t want kids at the CC. In any scenario north Arlington families get sent south. I would bet they rip that bandaid off and make the CC work. They will move stadiums and such off the main campus.

Then north Arlington parents need to quit screaming about overcrowding. If they aren't willing to accept the solution, they should just keep their mouths shut.

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There are plenty of parents Zoned to Yorktown and WL who don’t want a school at Kenmore for the same reasons they don’t want kids at the CC. In any scenario north Arlington families get sent south. I would bet they rip that bandaid off and make the CC work. They will move stadiums and such off the main campus.

WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER

Doubtful, when you consider who lives in those neighborhoods. I mean, I'd be very surprised. But if it does happen, please consider your neighbors to west who are NOT Glencarlyn. Take us with you if this goes through!

More importantly, send Glencarlyn south!

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The School Board working session on the CIP last night laid out some plans for the CC site.
Here’s the doc:
https://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/arlington/Board.nsf/files/AY5V2X7E8010/$file/CIP%20Work%20Session%2004%2024%2018.pdf

Looks like they want multiple phases - 800 in the first phase, with and additional 1500 in phases 2-4, with one multipurpose field and a gym/theater built during phase 1, and possibly another field and underground parking - eventually, when another CIP comes around.

What do you think about this? Who is going to send their high school kid to a school with one field that is shared between 4 schools, and a gym/ theater. Sounds crazy.

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And the estimated costs are over $350 million (today's dollars) and don't even include the cost of building a new elementary school if/when they tear down the Patrick Henry building.

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Anonymous wrote:The School Board working session on the CIP last night laid out some plans for the CC site.
Here’s the doc:
https://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/arlington/Board.nsf/files/AY5V2X7E8010/$file/CIP%20Work%20Session%2004%2024%2018.pdf

Looks like they want multiple phases - 800 in the first phase, with and additional 1500 in phases 2-4, with one multipurpose field and a gym/theater built during phase 1, and possibly another field and underground parking - eventually, when another CIP comes around.

What do you think about this? Who is going to send their high school kid to a school with one field that is shared between 4 schools, and a gym/ theater. Sounds crazy.

Middle class families looking to avoid Wakefield.
You don’t get it. That neighborhood wants the school. It is like the only scenario that actually trumps matching-north-Arlington-t-shirts-wearing-cabals.
Having a civic association actually push to have a high school? The CB and SB will go along to get along.
This neighborhood isn’t stupid. They understand they are getting a school one way or the other. They get fvked if it’s anything but a full 4th school. If they get a bunch of stupid programs, it’s a loss. They get it. They get the 4th school and they now have a high school similar to WL’s demographics and the property value that go along with it.
It will tank Wakefield, but so what. It’s a zero sum game. Hold your breath waiting for the progressives of Arlington to do the right thing, and you will turn blue. Take care for your corner, because no one else gives a Fvck.

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Middle Class families south of 50 are not looking to be forced to send there kids to a school where they have no opportunities for band, theatre and sports because all of those things are forced to share 1 swing space. This on top of their students losing 3 instruction hours every swimming day while they are bused all over the county for the required swim classes to an offsite pool. Or being forced to have school days that last twice as long as everywhere else in the county to accommodate the fact that there are no facilities on site. They will show up in their matching t-shirts and fight this and its going to get ugly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The School Board working session on the CIP last night laid out some plans for the CC site.
Here’s the doc:
https://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/arlington/Board.nsf/files/AY5V2X7E8010/$file/CIP%20Work%20Session%2004%2024%2018.pdf

Looks like they want multiple phases - 800 in the first phase, with and additional 1500 in phases 2-4, with one multipurpose field and a gym/theater built during phase 1, and possibly another field and underground parking - eventually, when another CIP comes around.

What do you think about this? Who is going to send their high school kid to a school with one field that is shared between 4 schools, and a gym/ theater. Sounds crazy.

Middle class families looking to avoid Wakefield.
You don’t get it. That neighborhood wants the school. It is like the only scenario that actually trumps matching-north-Arlington-t-shirts-wearing-cabals.
Having a civic association actually push to have a high school? The CB and SB will go along to get along.
This neighborhood isn’t stupid. They understand they are getting a school one way or the other. They get fvked if it’s anything but a full 4th school. If they get a bunch of stupid programs, it’s a loss. They get it. They get the 4th school and they now have a high school similar to WL’s demographics and the property value that go along with it.
It will tank Wakefield, but so what. It’s a zero sum game. Hold your breath waiting for the progressives of Arlington to do the right thing, and you will turn blue. Take care for your corner, because no one else gives a Fvck.

Oh please. What's the alternative? 3000 student high schools, which were built to hold 1800? We need a new high school. Where do you suggest it goes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Middle Class families south of 50 are not looking to be forced to send there kids to a school where they have no opportunities for band, theatre and sports because all of those things are forced to share 1 swing space. This on top of their students losing 3 instruction hours every swimming day while they are bused all over the county for the required swim classes to an offsite pool. Or being forced to have school days that last twice as long as everywhere else in the county to accommodate the fact that there are no facilities on site. They will show up in their matching t-shirts and fight this and its going to get ugly.

No one has said they will have to do any of those things. Use your imagination for something productive, like making the CC a functional site.
Also, totally stupid to suggest music / theatre can’t happen on campus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The School Board working session on the CIP last night laid out some plans for the CC site.
Here’s the doc:
https://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/arlington/Board.nsf/files/AY5V2X7E8010/$file/CIP%20Work%20Session%2004%2024%2018.pdf

Looks like they want multiple phases - 800 in the first phase, with and additional 1500 in phases 2-4, with one multipurpose field and a gym/theater built during phase 1, and possibly another field and underground parking - eventually, when another CIP comes around.

What do you think about this? Who is going to send their high school kid to a school with one field that is shared between 4 schools, and a gym/ theater. Sounds crazy.

Middle class families looking to avoid Wakefield.
You don’t get it. That neighborhood wants the school. It is like the only scenario that actually trumps matching-north-Arlington-t-shirts-wearing-cabals.
Having a civic association actually push to have a high school? The CB and SB will go along to get along.
This neighborhood isn’t stupid. They understand they are getting a school one way or the other. They get fvked if it’s anything but a full 4th school. If they get a bunch of stupid programs, it’s a loss. They get it. They get the 4th school and they now have a high school similar to WL’s demographics and the property value that go along with it.
It will tank Wakefield, but so what. It’s a zero sum game. Hold your breath waiting for the progressives of Arlington to do the right thing, and you will turn blue. Take care for your corner, because no one else gives a Fvck.

Oh please. What's the alternative? 3000 student high schools, which were built to hold 1800? We need a new high school. Where do you suggest it goes?

At the career center moron

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The School Board working session on the CIP last night laid out some plans for the CC site.
Here’s the doc:
https://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/arlington/Board.nsf/files/AY5V2X7E8010/$file/CIP%20Work%20Session%2004%2024%2018.pdf

Looks like they want multiple phases - 800 in the first phase, with and additional 1500 in phases 2-4, with one multipurpose field and a gym/theater built during phase 1, and possibly another field and underground parking - eventually, when another CIP comes around.

What do you think about this? Who is going to send their high school kid to a school with one field that is shared between 4 schools, and a gym/ theater. Sounds crazy.

Middle class families looking to avoid Wakefield.
You don’t get it. That neighborhood wants the school. It is like the only scenario that actually trumps matching-north-Arlington-t-shirts-wearing-cabals.
Having a civic association actually push to have a high school? The CB and SB will go along to get along.
This neighborhood isn’t stupid. They understand they are getting a school one way or the other. They get fvked if it’s anything but a full 4th school. If they get a bunch of stupid programs, it’s a loss. They get it. They get the 4th school and they now have a high school similar to WL’s demographics and the property value that go along with it.
It will tank Wakefield, but so what. It’s a zero sum game. Hold your breath waiting for the progressives of Arlington to do the right thing, and you will turn blue. Take care for your corner, because no one else gives a Fvck.

Oh please. What's the alternative? 3000 student high schools, which were built to hold 1800? We need a new high school. Where do you suggest it goes?

At the career center moron

Name calling. Nice. Way to keep the conversation going.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The School Board working session on the CIP last night laid out some plans for the CC site.
Here’s the doc:
https://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/arlington/Board.nsf/files/AY5V2X7E8010/$file/CIP%20Work%20Session%2004%2024%2018.pdf

Looks like they want multiple phases - 800 in the first phase, with and additional 1500 in phases 2-4, with one multipurpose field and a gym/theater built during phase 1, and possibly another field and underground parking - eventually, when another CIP comes around.

What do you think about this? Who is going to send their high school kid to a school with one field that is shared between 4 schools, and a gym/ theater. Sounds crazy.

Middle class families looking to avoid Wakefield.
You don’t get it. That neighborhood wants the school. It is like the only scenario that actually trumps matching-north-Arlington-t-shirts-wearing-cabals.
Having a civic association actually push to have a high school? The CB and SB will go along to get along.
This neighborhood isn’t stupid. They understand they are getting a school one way or the other. They get fvked if it’s anything but a full 4th school. If they get a bunch of stupid programs, it’s a loss. They get it. They get the 4th school and they now have a high school similar to WL’s demographics and the property value that go along with it.
It will tank Wakefield, but so what. It’s a zero sum game. Hold your breath waiting for the progressives of Arlington to do the right thing, and you will turn blue. Take care for your corner, because no one else gives a Fvck.

Oh please. What's the alternative? 3000 student high schools, which were built to hold 1800? We need a new high school. Where do you suggest it goes?

At the career center moron

Name calling. Nice. Way to keep the conversation going.

Well, it’s not like the pp was keeping up.

[Anonymous]

How big is the VHC site? Could they put fields at Kenmore but the classrooms there?

Or is this Career Center or nothing? I know that nice big plot at Kenmore is untouchable for a high school building but something has to be built there.