Yu Ying

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Anonymous wrote:Hardly any JKLM zoned parents choose YY, a few dozen at most.

Some of us think that our kids have more than enough "cognitive benefits."

If an "immersion" public ES isn't serious about teaching a language for 8 years for whatever reasons, I'd pass. You don't want kids who are weak in two language come middle school by high SES DC standards. No shortage of YY kids in that category.

The idea is that they do YY for PK3 and PK4 and go IB JKLM starting in K right? They wouldn't actually go all the way through to 5th grade, would they?

They go because they want their kids to learn Chinese!! Why is that hard to believe?

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Anonymous wrote:PP again. From this thread it seems like the challenge with YY is learning English rather than Chinese, and parents should supplement with English.

The research is pretty clear that bilingual education improves learning in the native language. There are literally hundreds of peer reviewed studies proving this.

Could YY in particular improve ELA instruction? Probably . The PP whose kid went from YY to a top private and needed added writing instruction would probably have had the same problem coming out of Murch. The one advantage privates have over publics is that the small class sizes let teachers assign and grade a lot more essays.

Agree with this and would just add that I believe the research shows that there is often an initial lag in language development for kids who start out with two languages, but then the kids typically catch up and even surpass monolingual counterparts.

YY parents love to claim this, citing studies. My inconvenient question is, who's your competition?

At our JKLM, ELA instruction has been a lot stronger than what we got at YY, and so is the Chinese instruction at our MD heritage program. It can be difficult to justify the need to "catch up" when many of the YY kids never progress beyond what amounts to kindergarten spoken Chinese. Yea, you don't want to hear this as a parent, not when you love the warm and welcoming program, lovely campus etc.

It is very upsetting to pay north of a million dollars for an ugly unrenovated bungalow in Far Northwest. And you did it for the schools! And then you discover the cute little kid down the block got into Yu Ying via the lottery. Stupid, silly, crazy little aberation! She's going to destroy your child's education - not to mention your property value!

Yeah, your property value depends upon your access to Janney and YOU VISCERALLY HATE schools like Yu Ying and LAMB and Mundo Verde.

You better hurry up and slam them on DCUM! GO! Go hate! Go!

Different poster. We paid 400K for our lovely 4-bed house in Amer Univ Park 20 years ago. We bought right after we got married and a decade before we had several kids. One of us is a native speaker of Chinese, the other majored in Chinese in college. We looked at YY and got a spot for our oldest in 2013. We didn't take the spot. Yes, we're at Janney. Our kids speak good Chinese.

We don't hate YY, no point. But we think that the Chinese instruction there is a joke on parents who don't speak the language well. Unless a non-native family supplements up the wazoo, upper grades kids can't hold down anything resembling normal conversations in Chinese. That's not what I've observed of the LAMB and Mundo Verde non-native upper grades kids w/Spanish (I also speak some Spanish). As for the storied cognitive boost from immersion, it seems unlikely to be found after years of weak Chinese instruction!

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Anonymous wrote:Hardly any JKLM zoned parents choose YY, a few dozen at most.

Some of us think that our kids have more than enough "cognitive benefits."

If an "immersion" public ES isn't serious about teaching a language for 8 years for whatever reasons, I'd pass. You don't want kids who are weak in two language come middle school by high SES DC standards. No shortage of YY kids in that category.

The idea is that they do YY for PK3 and PK4 and go IB JKLM starting in K right? They wouldn't actually go all the way through to 5th grade, would they?

They go because they want their kids to learn Chinese!! Why is that hard to believe?

No they don't, not the majority. They go for a FARMs rate in the freakin single digits. It's hard to believe because it's, um, usually BS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hardly any JKLM zoned parents choose YY, a few dozen at most.

Some of us think that our kids have more than enough "cognitive benefits."

If an "immersion" public ES isn't serious about teaching a language for 8 years for whatever reasons, I'd pass. You don't want kids who are weak in two language come middle school by high SES DC standards. No shortage of YY kids in that category.

The idea is that they do YY for PK3 and PK4 and go IB JKLM starting in K right? They wouldn't actually go all the way through to 5th grade, would they?

They go because they want their kids to learn Chinese!! Why is that hard to believe?

No they don't, not the majority. They go for a FARMs rate in the freakin single digits. It's hard to believe because it's, um, usually BS.

Actually I know a group of WOTP ES parents where one parent is Chinese and they send their kids to YY.

Going to YY because of low FARMS rates as compared to JKLM? Seems hard to believe that they are doing the schlepp across town to escape all the IB low income families at Janney etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Hardly any JKLM zoned parents choose YY, a few dozen at most.

Some of us think that our kids have more than enough "cognitive benefits."

If an "immersion" public ES isn't serious about teaching a language for 8 years for whatever reasons, I'd pass. You don't want kids who are weak in two language come middle school by high SES DC standards. No shortage of YY kids in that category.

The idea is that they do YY for PK3 and PK4 and go IB JKLM starting in K right? They wouldn't actually go all the way through to 5th grade, would they?

They go because they want their kids to learn Chinese!! Why is that hard to believe?

No they don't, not the majority. They go for a FARMs rate in the freakin single digits. It's hard to believe because it's, um, usually BS.

Actually I know a group of WOTP ES parents where one parent is Chinese and they send their kids to YY.

Going to YY because of low FARMS rates as compared to JKLM? Seems hard to believe that they are doing the schlepp across town to escape all the IB low income families at Janney etc.

Not 10% of YY families live in Upper NW. It's just a few dozen. Most YY parents live in NE.

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Anonymous wrote:Hardly any JKLM zoned parents choose YY, a few dozen at most.

Some of us think that our kids have more than enough "cognitive benefits."

If an "immersion" public ES isn't serious about teaching a language for 8 years for whatever reasons, I'd pass. You don't want kids who are weak in two language come middle school by high SES DC standards. No shortage of YY kids in that category.

The idea is that they do YY for PK3 and PK4 and go IB JKLM starting in K right? They wouldn't actually go all the way through to 5th grade, would they?

They go because they want their kids to learn Chinese!! Why is that hard to believe?

No they don't, not the majority. They go for a FARMs rate in the freakin single digits. It's hard to believe because it's, um, usually BS.

Actually I know a group of WOTP ES parents where one parent is Chinese and they send their kids to YY.

Going to YY because of low FARMS rates as compared to JKLM? Seems hard to believe that they are doing the schlepp across town to escape all the IB low income families at Janney etc.

Not 10% of YY families live in Upper NW. It's just a few dozen. Most YY parents live in NE.

Yes- I didn’t say it was a huge number, although a “few dozen” is a lot. My point was that some PPs were flabbergasted that anyone would lottery into YY from JKLM schools. The discussion has come full circle.

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Come on, flabbergasted, what silly melodrama.

A few Upper NW parents do go for the Chinese, and, frankly, a smaller school with smaller class sizes than JKLM can offer (because YY can control intake numbers and DCPS schools can't).

We know a bunch of Upper NW parents from the neighborhood at YY, because we're native speakers of Mandarin raising our kids bilingual and they tend to seek us out. We're often asked why we don't try to join them. We tell them that our impression of YY is that the school doesn't know what to do with native Chinese speaking students, so we'd rather stay at our JKLM, and leave it at that.

[Anonymous]

AA middle income SES YY parent here.

Happy with my decision as oldest moves forward to DCI. My two children have had several of the same teachers, the same level of out of school enrichment, and are close in age. One child excels in Mandarin, the other lovingly bumbles through Mandarin. Every child is different. Outside of school tutoring and consistent supplemental academic prep/review is definitely required for success, especially in grades 3-5.

Great choice, clean, safe, loving school. I'd recommend it to anyone committed to also providing a lot of targeted support/exposure outside of school.

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Very good to hear a PP admitting that a lot of outside support (with a price to be paid in time, energy and money) is necessary to make YY worth it in the upper grades for a family that doesn't speak Chinese at home.

One grows tired of the "no need to supplement" palaver and potshots at native speakers who challenge parents looking at immersion through rose-colored glasses on DCUM.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hardly any JKLM zoned parents choose YY, a few dozen at most.

Some of us think that our kids have more than enough "cognitive benefits."

If an "immersion" public ES isn't serious about teaching a language for 8 years for whatever reasons, I'd pass. You don't want kids who are weak in two language come middle school by high SES DC standards. No shortage of YY kids in that category.

The idea is that they do YY for PK3 and PK4 and go IB JKLM starting in K right? They wouldn't actually go all the way through to 5th grade, would they?

Yes, they really would. Some are in 8th grade at DCI now, and looking forward to HS!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Very good to hear a PP admitting that a lot of outside support (with a price to be paid in time, energy and money) is necessary to make YY worth it in the upper grades for a family that doesn't speak Chinese at home.

One grows tired of the "no need to supplement" palaver and potshots at native speakers who challenge parents looking at immersion through rose-colored glasses on DCUM.

Lol she did not word it any where near the way you did. Y’all are something else

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Very good to hear a PP admitting that a lot of outside support (with a price to be paid in time, energy and money) is necessary to make YY worth it in the upper grades for a family that doesn't speak Chinese at home.

One grows tired of the "no need to supplement" palaver and potshots at native speakers who challenge parents looking at immersion through rose-colored glasses on DCUM.

+100. We got a spot.

We're hoping to encounter other PreS3 parents who plan to supplement extensively through the years, and maybe even a few Chinese-speaking preschoolers (one can hope).

We're applying to GoAuPair ASAP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Very good to hear a PP admitting that a lot of outside support (with a price to be paid in time, energy and money) is necessary to make YY worth it in the upper grades for a family that doesn't speak Chinese at home.

One grows tired of the "no need to supplement" palaver and potshots at native speakers who challenge parents looking at immersion through rose-colored glasses on DCUM.

Lol she did not word it any where near the way you did. Y’all are something else

No, y'all are something else, with your kids' phenomenally bad spoken Mandarin (which you think rocks) all the way to 8th grade at DCI.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Very good to hear a PP admitting that a lot of outside support (with a price to be paid in time, energy and money) is necessary to make YY worth it in the upper grades for a family that doesn't speak Chinese at home.

One grows tired of the "no need to supplement" palaver and potshots at native speakers who challenge parents looking at immersion through rose-colored glasses on DCUM.

Lol she did not word it any where near the way you did. Y’all are something else

No, y'all are something else, with your kids' phenomenally bad spoken Mandarin (which you think rocks) all the way to 8th grade at DCI.

Why are you big mad? Why do you care about people wanting their kids to learn Chinese. You sound a bit miserable to me

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Anonymous wrote:Hardly any JKLM zoned parents choose YY, a few dozen at most.

Some of us think that our kids have more than enough "cognitive benefits."

If an "immersion" public ES isn't serious about teaching a language for 8 years for whatever reasons, I'd pass. You don't want kids who are weak in two language come middle school by high SES DC standards. No shortage of YY kids in that category.

The idea is that they do YY for PK3 and PK4 and go IB JKLM starting in K right? They wouldn't actually go all the way through to 5th grade, would they?

They go because they want their kids to learn Chinese!! Why is that hard to believe?

No they don't, not the majority. They go for a FARMs rate in the freakin single digits. It's hard to believe because it's, um, usually BS.

Actually I know a group of WOTP ES parents where one parent is Chinese and they send their kids to YY.

Going to YY because of low FARMS rates as compared to JKLM? Seems hard to believe that they are doing the schlepp across town to escape all the IB low income families at Janney etc.

Not 10% of YY families live in Upper NW. It's just a few dozen. Most YY parents live in NE.

Capitol Hill is considered NE. Except where it's considered SE.