Hispanic Origin

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So here's another one for DCUM along the same lines:

I married into a Catalan family. My wife grew up in California as an American but my MIL grew up in Spain until her parents fled with her and she came to the US as a refugee. MIL's parents were part of the anti-Fascist resistance until they fled Spain. They arrived in the US in poverty, but now the family is doing okay financially. The family history is violent (relatives killed by the Fascists among other awful things) and you can still see the impact on the family. (My MIL will not speak of that time; we know she saw people killed in front of her when she was young.)

My DD does not speak Catalan very well at all but is immersed in Catalan culture from the extended family and identifies as Catalan in addition to American (but not as Spanish although she has Spanish citizenship). DD is white (blonde hair, blue eyes).

Two years ago DD felt strongly about putting Hispanic down on the HS enrollment form because she feels her Catalan heritage is a strong part of her identity (which it is) and she qualifies as per the 1/4 definition. She plans on talking about her relationship with her grandmother in her college essays.

What do you think, DCUM?

Catalan is not Hispanic.

How is Catalan not Hispanic? Hispanic means having origins in the Iberian peninsula. That peninsula, referred to as "Hispania" by the Romans, includes Catalonia.

Hispanic means Spanish speaking. Catalans are not Hispanic in the same way that Brazilians are not Hispanic.

Hispanic does not mean Spanish speaking. What is your cite for that assertion?

Hispania was the Roman word for the Iberian peninsula, which included and still includes Catalonia and Portugal. So Catalans and Brazilians are indeed Hispanic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action breeds the sort of cringe inducing cynicism on display here. In my case, some of my relatives can be traced to Spain. My kid is in an immersion school. We are not Hispanic.

That's right, you're not. You're Spanish. Hispanic and Spanish are different. Much like English and American are different, even though we both speak the same language.

Hispanic refers to people who speak Spanish, that includes Spain and the Latin countries but not Brazil. Latinos refer to people of geography. That includes the Southern and Latin continents, including Brazil but not Spain.

Here you go...from the College Board website:

NHRP's Definition of Hispanic/Latino
To be eligible, you must be at least one-quarter Hispanic/Latino. Hispanic/Latino is an ethnic category, not a racial category, so you can be of any race.

You must have ancestors from at least one of these countries: Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Puerto Rico, Spain, Uruguay, or Venezuela.

https://collegereadiness.collegeboard.org/psat-nmsqt-psat-10/scholarships-and-recognition/national-hispanic-recognition-program

My 2 DDs fit this description. Paternal Grandfather is Cuban, other 3 Caucasian. They have his Hispanic/Latino surname but do not favor his dark skin, eyes and hair. They both have blue eyes and light hair from their grandmothers. We consciously did not select Hispanic/Latino during the college admissions process bc it did not seem to reflect their background, nor did it seem particularly fair (we are not wealthy but v. comfortable). FWIW, I suspect their private high school counted them in its diversity numbers, which they are always trying to boost.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So here's another one for DCUM along the same lines:

I married into a Catalan family. My wife grew up in California as an American but my MIL grew up in Spain until her parents fled with her and she came to the US as a refugee. MIL's parents were part of the anti-Fascist resistance until they fled Spain. They arrived in the US in poverty, but now the family is doing okay financially. The family history is violent (relatives killed by the Fascists among other awful things) and you can still see the impact on the family. (My MIL will not speak of that time; we know she saw people killed in front of her when she was young.)

My DD does not speak Catalan very well at all but is immersed in Catalan culture from the extended family and identifies as Catalan in addition to American (but not as Spanish although she has Spanish citizenship). DD is white (blonde hair, blue eyes).

Two years ago DD felt strongly about putting Hispanic down on the HS enrollment form because she feels her Catalan heritage is a strong part of her identity (which it is) and she qualifies as per the 1/4 definition. She plans on talking about her relationship with her grandmother in her college essays.

What do you think, DCUM?

Catalan is not Hispanic.

How is Catalan not Hispanic? Hispanic means having origins in the Iberian peninsula. That peninsula, referred to as "Hispania" by the Romans, includes Catalonia.

Hispanic means Spanish speaking. Catalans are not Hispanic in the same way that Brazilians are not Hispanic.

Hispanic does not mean Spanish speaking. What is your cite for that assertion?

Hispania was the Roman word for the Iberian peninsula, which included and still includes Catalonia and Portugal. So Catalans and Brazilians are indeed Hispanic.

So lovely and yet so clueless.

[Anonymous]

effing hate this sh*t. you got upper middle hispanic and back families gaming the system. Affirmative action should be based on income and first-gem status, not race. This is cringeworthy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:effing hate this sh*t. you got upper middle hispanic and black families gaming the system. Affirmative action should be based on income and first-gen status, not race. This is cringeworthy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So here's another one for DCUM along the same lines:

I married into a Catalan family. My wife grew up in California as an American but my MIL grew up in Spain until her parents fled with her and she came to the US as a refugee. MIL's parents were part of the anti-Fascist resistance until they fled Spain. They arrived in the US in poverty, but now the family is doing okay financially. The family history is violent (relatives killed by the Fascists among other awful things) and you can still see the impact on the family. (My MIL will not speak of that time; we know she saw people killed in front of her when she was young.)

My DD does not speak Catalan very well at all but is immersed in Catalan culture from the extended family and identifies as Catalan in addition to American (but not as Spanish although she has Spanish citizenship). DD is white (blonde hair, blue eyes).

Two years ago DD felt strongly about putting Hispanic down on the HS enrollment form because she feels her Catalan heritage is a strong part of her identity (which it is) and she qualifies as per the 1/4 definition. She plans on talking about her relationship with her grandmother in her college essays.

What do you think, DCUM?

Catalan is not Hispanic.

How is Catalan not Hispanic? Hispanic means having origins in the Iberian peninsula. That peninsula, referred to as "Hispania" by the Romans, includes Catalonia.

Hispanic means Spanish speaking. Catalans are not Hispanic in the same way that Brazilians are not Hispanic.

Hispanic does not mean Spanish speaking. What is your cite for that assertion?

Hispania was the Roman word for the Iberian peninsula, which included and still includes Catalonia and Portugal. So Catalans and Brazilians are indeed Hispanic.

So lovely and yet so clueless.

Now that is a weighty, thoughtful response.

[Anonymous]

Wait, what? Where is Catalan located? Are Catalonians separatists in the same way the Basque are separatists? They even have their own language? I know the Basque have a language that is considered so unusual that it is not classified under the Indo-European structure. The linguists are not quite sure where their language came from, if I remember correctly? What is Catalan's story?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So here's another one for DCUM along the same lines:

I married into a Catalan family. My wife grew up in California as an American but my MIL grew up in Spain until her parents fled with her and she came to the US as a refugee. MIL's parents were part of the anti-Fascist resistance until they fled Spain. They arrived in the US in poverty, but now the family is doing okay financially. The family history is violent (relatives killed by the Fascists among other awful things) and you can still see the impact on the family. (My MIL will not speak of that time; we know she saw people killed in front of her when she was young.)

My DD does not speak Catalan very well at all but is immersed in Catalan culture from the extended family and identifies as Catalan in addition to American (but not as Spanish although she has Spanish citizenship). DD is white (blonde hair, blue eyes).

Two years ago DD felt strongly about putting Hispanic down on the HS enrollment form because she feels her Catalan heritage is a strong part of her identity (which it is) and she qualifies as per the 1/4 definition. She plans on talking about her relationship with her grandmother in her college essays.

What do you think, DCUM?

Catalan is not Hispanic.

How is Catalan not Hispanic? Hispanic means having origins in the Iberian peninsula. That peninsula, referred to as "Hispania" by the Romans, includes Catalonia.

Hispanic means Spanish speaking. Catalans are not Hispanic in the same way that Brazilians are not Hispanic.

Hispanic does not mean Spanish speaking. What is your cite for that assertion?

Hispania was the Roman word for the Iberian peninsula, which included and still includes Catalonia and Portugal. So Catalans and Brazilians are indeed Hispanic.

So lovely and yet so clueless.

And yet, not wrong in the end.

In any event, by the definition used by most colleges and the US Census Bureau, Catalans are indeed Hispanic. Also, if you actually know any, just ask them. Believe me, that Spanish citizenship is something they are well aware of.

[Anonymous]

Claim it, you are a fool if you don't. I want to claim myself African American if I can, because we can all trace back to africa after all, but skin isn't dark enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:effing hate this sh*t. you got upper middle hispanic and back families gaming the system. Affirmative action should be based on income and first-gem status, not race. This is cringeworthy.

Yup.

Admissions has become a circus.

[Anonymous]

My white trash (I know that’s not an acceptable term here, but it’s the most true and succcinct description) SIL grew up with a Mexican stepfather so she convinced my nephew to mark Hispanic on his college applications. Poor kid was so nervous about it. He ended up not staying at his first college and didn’t check that box again.

He recently did 23 and me and not a drop of even potentially Hispanic (or native American, another bullshit claim by his mother) ancestry in sight.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action breeds the sort of cringe inducing cynicism on display here. In my case, some of my relatives can be traced to Spain. My kid is in an immersion school. We are not Hispanic.

That's right, you're not. You're Spanish. Hispanic and Spanish are different. Much like English and American are different, even though we both speak the same language.

But many people from Latin American countries have almost entirely Spanish ancestry with little or no Native American. These people are white. Yet they get to be considered "Hispanic".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If your kid isn’t Hispanic enough to have realized it before now, he’s not Hispanic.

And if your school registration paperwork says he’s white, and you try to change it now- huge red flag.

Serious question, but is there any official guidelines as to how Hispanic you have to be to claim Hispanic? My kids have a Hispanic great-grandparent could they technically claim Hispanic if they wanted to?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action breeds the sort of cringe inducing cynicism on display here. In my case, some of my relatives can be traced to Spain. My kid is in an immersion school. We are not Hispanic.

That's right, you're not. You're Spanish. Hispanic and Spanish are different. Much like English and American are different, even though we both speak the same language.

Hispanic refers to people who speak Spanish, that includes Spain and the Latin countries but not Brazil. Latinos refer to people of geography. That includes the Southern and Latin continents, including Brazil but not Spain.

Ok my grandmother is from Trinidad which is an English speaking country, but she is from a family that immigrated to Trinidad from Venezuela a few generations earlier. Would she be considered Hispanic? She nor any of her relatives speak Spanish, but they "look" Hispanic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well, you know in your heart this is not why affirmative action was created. Imagine how you'd feel if your child was admitted and her name was forwarded to the campus Latino organization to ask if she wanted to join. This happened to my friend in college and she was mortified. She knew she'd just checked the box to get in to the school and sheepishly ignored the email invitations from the Latino student group.

Yes, but we aren't asking whether it would be moral to claim being Hispanic in this scenario, just rather could you could technically qualify for the label. It is an interesting question, because it does seem that if colleges are going to give a significant admissions bump to certain racial groups, there should at a minimum at least be some sort of guideline for what they consider to be Hispanic, African-American, etc.