How important is TJ for college?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Unless your child is in the top 10% of the TJ class, it probably hurts more than it helps. UVA does not want 250 kids from TJ. But they will take 70 from Madison, Mclean, Langley. (and 150 from TJ). Presumably any kid at TJ could be in the top 70 students at the base school

Average for the past five years or so is close to 200 acceptances not 150 from TJ. 70 sounds high for other schools as well. Anyway, UVA is a backup at TJ.

News flash: UVA is a back up school for most top performing kids at a base school too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unless your child is in the top 10% of the TJ class, it probably hurts more than it helps. UVA does not want 250 kids from TJ. But they will take 70 from Madison, Mclean, Langley. (and 150 from TJ). Presumably any kid at TJ could be in the top 70 students at the base school

Average for the past five years or so is close to 200 acceptances not 150 from TJ. 70 sounds high for other schools as well. Anyway, UVA is a backup at TJ.

News flash: UVA is a back up school for most top performing kids at a base school too.

+1,000 if you do a direct comparison between TJ and the top 10% at tier one Fairfax County schools and the top 5% at tier two schools there is no difference between college preference attendance or acceptance

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unless your child is in the top 10% of the TJ class, it probably hurts more than it helps. UVA does not want 250 kids from TJ. But they will take 70 from Madison, Mclean, Langley. (and 150 from TJ). Presumably any kid at TJ could be in the top 70 students at the base school

Average for the past five years or so is close to 200 acceptances not 150 from TJ. 70 sounds high for other schools as well. Anyway, UVA is a backup at TJ.

News flash: UVA is a back up school for most top performing kids at a base school too.

+1,000 if you do a direct comparison between TJ and the top 10% at tier one Fairfax County schools and the top 5% at tier two schools there is no difference between college preference attendance or acceptance

Yes there is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unless your child is in the top 10% of the TJ class, it probably hurts more than it helps. UVA does not want 250 kids from TJ. But they will take 70 from Madison, Mclean, Langley. (and 150 from TJ). Presumably any kid at TJ could be in the top 70 students at the base school

Average for the past five years or so is close to 200 acceptances not 150 from TJ. 70 sounds high for other schools as well. Anyway, UVA is a backup at TJ.

News flash: UVA is a back up school for most top performing kids at a base school too.

+1,000 if you do a direct comparison between TJ and the top 10% at tier one Fairfax County schools and the top 5% at tier two schools there is no difference between college preference attendance or acceptance

Yes there is.

yeah I guess you are right non TJ is better lolz

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unless your child is in the top 10% of the TJ class, it probably hurts more than it helps. UVA does not want 250 kids from TJ. But they will take 70 from Madison, Mclean, Langley. (and 150 from TJ). Presumably any kid at TJ could be in the top 70 students at the base school

Average for the past five years or so is close to 200 acceptances not 150 from TJ. 70 sounds high for other schools as well. Anyway, UVA is a backup at TJ.

News flash: UVA is a back up school for most top performing kids at a base school too.

+1,000 if you do a direct comparison between TJ and the top 10% at tier one Fairfax County schools and the top 5% at tier two schools there is no difference between college preference attendance or acceptance

Yes there is.

+1. It may shake out the same for UVA and WM and generic Ivy’s. But there is a huge difference for VT Engineering, top 10 Engineering schools (UCs, U of M, U GA, Cornell, U Illinois, Carnegie Melon).

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-doctorate

MIT. 8
Stanford. 5
UC Berkeley. 11
Cal Tech. 1
GT. 1
U Illinois. 9
U of M. 16
CMU. 15
Purdue. 7
Cornell. 13

Also, Mudd. 2

That’s about 80 kids to top 10 Engineering schools, or 20% of the class

VT is 14th in the nation in engineering, and had 42 kids. Some of who got into U of M or Purdue or Cornell, but didn’t want to pay the price difference.

Top 10 Engineering plus VT is 102 kids.

So if you are serious about STEM, TJ can help a lot.

And BTW Top 10 Engineering plus VT, then add UVA & WM, and that’s half the class. Add in Ivys and Top 20 colleges, and you have 2/3 of the class. And so on.

[Anonymous]

If these same kids stayed at their base schools, they’d be going to the same colleges.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If these same kids stayed at their base schools, they’d be going to the same colleges.

Maybe. Maybe not. They are getting much harder math, plus senior lab pre-recs. And doing a senior research lab. My kid is taking prototyping 1 & 2 and specialized CAD and doing engineering design. A lot of his friends do 4semesters of Post-AP CS and then do Computer Systems research or Mobile and Web App Development research. Most kids also do a mentorship the summer between 11 and 12. These help kids with admission to top STEM programs, and especially with getting scholarships.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If these same kids stayed at their base schools, they’d be going to the same colleges.

Maybe. Maybe not. They are getting much harder math, plus senior lab pre-recs. And doing a senior research lab. My kid is taking prototyping 1 & 2 and specialized CAD and doing engineering design. A lot of his friends do 4semesters of Post-AP CS and then do Computer Systems research or Mobile and Web App Development research. Most kids also do a mentorship the summer between 11 and 12. These help kids with admission to top STEM programs, and especially with getting scholarships.

Scholarships sound good. So the idea of TJ then is to get into better colleges and get scholarships? Are UVA and W&M considered top STEM programs? No, not at all. As you have stated they are mere “backups” for TJ kids. So why are so many TJ grads going to schools that aren’t top STEM programs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If these same kids stayed at their base schools, they’d be going to the same colleges.

Maybe. Maybe not. They are getting much harder math, plus senior lab pre-recs. And doing a senior research lab. My kid is taking prototyping 1 & 2 and specialized CAD and doing engineering design. A lot of his friends do 4semesters of Post-AP CS and then do Computer Systems research or Mobile and Web App Development research. Most kids also do a mentorship the summer between 11 and 12. These help kids with admission to top STEM programs, and especially with getting scholarships.

Scholarships sound good. So the idea of TJ then is to get into better colleges and get scholarships? Are UVA and W&M considered top STEM programs? No, not at all. As you have stated they are mere “backups” for TJ kids. So why are so many TJ grads going to schools that aren’t top STEM programs?

Cost. Most TJ kids hit the financial aid donut hole.

I have a junior who is not interested in engineering. WM is DSs safety school— 85% admit rate from TJ. Everyone with a weighted 4.0/ 1450-1500 SATs on Naviance gets in. He should easily get in. We can pay for it without loans. (DS is not interested in UVA). He should get into most colleges on his list (but it is still evolving). The wildcard isn’t admissions— it’s merit aid. He needs enough to bring the cost down to WM tuition plus R&B. We are not allowing undergrad loans. He’s not even applying to Ivys, because no merit aid and we can’t makes the finances work. For him, the issue won’t be where he is admitted, but rather where the money works out. So he may be at WM even though he gets into higher ranked schools. FWIW, I think WM would be a great fit and he would be happy there. I’m thankful he has such a good fit for his needs as a safety. I would not be disappointed if that’s where he ends up. I don’t think he would either.

Our situation is very common among the TJ families I know. College is expensive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If these same kids stayed at their base schools, they’d be going to the same colleges.

Maybe. Maybe not. They are getting much harder math, plus senior lab pre-recs. And doing a senior research lab. My kid is taking prototyping 1 & 2 and specialized CAD and doing engineering design. A lot of his friends do 4semesters of Post-AP CS and then do Computer Systems research or Mobile and Web App Development research. Most kids also do a mentorship the summer between 11 and 12. These help kids with admission to top STEM programs, and especially with getting scholarships.

Scholarships sound good. So the idea of TJ then is to get into better colleges and get scholarships? Are UVA and W&M considered top STEM programs? No, not at all. As you have stated they are mere “backups” for TJ kids. So why are so many TJ grads going to schools that aren’t top STEM programs?

Cost. Most TJ kids hit the financial aid donut hole.

I have a junior who is not interested in engineering. WM is DSs safety school— 85% admit rate from TJ. Everyone with a weighted 4.0/ 1450-1500 SATs on Naviance gets in. He should easily get in. We can pay for it without loans. (DS is not interested in UVA). He should get into most colleges on his list (but it is still evolving). The wildcard isn’t admissions— it’s merit aid. He needs enough to bring the cost down to WM tuition plus R&B. We are not allowing undergrad loans. He’s not even applying to Ivys, because no merit aid and we can’t makes the finances work. For him, the issue won’t be where he is admitted, but rather where the money works out. So he may be at WM even though he gets into higher ranked schools. FWIW, I think WM would be a great fit and he would be happy there. I’m thankful he has such a good fit for his needs as a safety. I would not be disappointed if that’s where he ends up. I don’t think he would either.

Our situation is very common among the TJ families I know. College is expensive.

Why wouldn't TJ grads be able to get merit aid easier from Ivys?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Our situation is very common among the TJ families I know. College is expensive.

Why wouldn't TJ grads be able to get merit aid easier from Ivys?

Ivys don't give merit scholarships, only need-based aid. Most TJ families have incomes that are too high to qualify for much in the way of need-based aid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If these same kids stayed at their base schools, they’d be going to the same colleges.

Maybe. Maybe not. They are getting much harder math, plus senior lab pre-recs. And doing a senior research lab. My kid is taking prototyping 1 & 2 and specialized CAD and doing engineering design. A lot of his friends do 4semesters of Post-AP CS and then do Computer Systems research or Mobile and Web App Development research. Most kids also do a mentorship the summer between 11 and 12. These help kids with admission to top STEM programs, and especially with getting scholarships.

Scholarships sound good. So the idea of TJ then is to get into better colleges and get scholarships? Are UVA and W&M considered top STEM programs? No, not at all. As you have stated they are mere “backups” for TJ kids. So why are so many TJ grads going to schools that aren’t top STEM programs?

Cost. Most TJ kids hit the financial aid donut hole.

I have a junior who is not interested in engineering. WM is DSs safety school— 85% admit rate from TJ. Everyone with a weighted 4.0/ 1450-1500 SATs on Naviance gets in. He should easily get in. We can pay for it without loans. (DS is not interested in UVA). He should get into most colleges on his list (but it is still evolving). The wildcard isn’t admissions— it’s merit aid. He needs enough to bring the cost down to WM tuition plus R&B. We are not allowing undergrad loans. He’s not even applying to Ivys, because no merit aid and we can’t makes the finances work. For him, the issue won’t be where he is admitted, but rather where the money works out. So he may be at WM even though he gets into higher ranked schools. FWIW, I think WM would be a great fit and he would be happy there. I’m thankful he has such a good fit for his needs as a safety. I would not be disappointed if that’s where he ends up. I don’t think he would either.

Our situation is very common among the TJ families I know. College is expensive.

Why wouldn't TJ grads be able to get merit aid easier from Ivys?

Because Ivy’s don’t give merit aid.

[Anonymous]

So I looked at college acceptance rates for kids like DD at her base school.

UVA 43%
W &M 73%
VT 98%

Stanford 10%
Princeton 4% (I know two kids there)
Cornell 18%
Harvard 8%
CMU 23%

In general out of state state schools:
SEC 100%
ACC 80%
Big10 90%
Pac10 85% (excluding stanford).

These are not that different than TJ students. My DD is probably in the top 15% of the base school, taking all honors and AP (except for Band/PE/Latin).

By the way, there are a fair number of kids going to the SEC schools because of generous merit aid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So I looked at college acceptance rates for kids like DD at her base school.

UVA 43%
W &M 73%
VT 98%

Stanford 10%
Princeton 4% (I know two kids there)
Cornell 18%
Harvard 8%
CMU 23%

In general out of state state schools:
SEC 100%
ACC 80%
Big10 90%
Pac10 85% (excluding stanford).

These are not that different than TJ students. My DD is probably in the top 15% of the base school, taking all honors and AP (except for Band/PE/Latin).

By the way, there are a fair number of kids going to the SEC schools because of generous merit aid.

PP here. I should add, DD will apply to UVA, W & M, VT, Cornell (reach), probably another safety, and any school that will offer money for a good bassoonist).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So I looked at college acceptance rates for kids like DD at her base school.

UVA 43%
W &M 73%
VT 98%

Stanford 10%
Princeton 4% (I know two kids there)
Cornell 18%
Harvard 8%
CMU 23%

In general out of state state schools:
SEC 100%
ACC 80%
Big10 90%
Pac10 85% (excluding stanford).

These are not that different than TJ students. My DD is probably in the top 15% of the base school, taking all honors and AP (except for Band/PE/Latin).

By the way, there are a fair number of kids going to the SEC schools because of generous merit aid.

What high school is this?