Emory University's dismal yield

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Anonymous wrote:Probably 95%+ of their applicants only apply because they heard about the college via US News.

The same could be said of Washington University in St. Louis.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you care? Is your diploma from Emory and now you feel that it is useless?

No need to be a jerk for those asking a meaningful question. Anyone who is a parent of a prospective Emory applicant should know why RD students aren't likely to enroll there compared to peer schools.

How is this a meaningful question? Yield goes into rankings, but has no reflection on the quality of education a student receives. Emory is highly ranked. It has a good reputation for employer, especially in its region. It is well respected among graduate school admissions committees.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to Emory, albeit a while ago (graduated in 2001). Emory is everyone's safety. It was my safety, and if I'd gotten into a better school I wouldn't have gone.

That status makes it a great school, though. Full of kids who are quite smart and accomplished - - and just barely missed the cut for their preferred choices.

Or maybe they missed it by a lot.

Maybe. But most people I knew were waitlisted at more than one Ivy (including myself), so in my experience, they missed it by a little.

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Anonymous wrote:What's with the LAC yields being so low? I thought Williams/Amherst/Swarthmore were Ivy-equivalent? The whole analogy that they're competing with each other and thus bring down each other's yield doesn't make a whole lot of sense when four of the Ivies make the top 4 on this list despite having a lot of cross-applicant similarity.

Are LACs losing their reputation among the best and brightest?

Most parents are increasingly not willing or cannot afford to pay for LACs at $70K a year, plain and simple. None of my 3 DCs attended the top 10 ones they were accepted by once more affordable options were available, such as less prestigious LAC with significant merit $ or state flagship.

We are just starting the college admissions process, and this sounds right to me. We are feeling good about our child's prospects for admission at some solid schools, but total cost including merit aid will be the key factor. I don't know anything about Emory, but places like Amherst that don't offer merit aid aren't even going to be on our list vs other good schools that are known to offer lots (Case Western, Brandeis, Denison). Just don't believe there's enough difference between them to shell out an extra $40-80K over 4 years.

I think parents in our position (make too much for need-based aid but have several kids and can't afford full price LACs) are wising up, and some big changes are afoot over the next 5 years.

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DS matriculated at Emory this fall. Yes, it wasn't his first, second, or third choice -- those were all schools with admissions rates under 20%. He was admitted to several schools with similar acceptance rates and what made Emory stand out among those choices was the diversity of the student body and the chance to go to school outside the northeast/mid-atlantic at a well-regarded institution. Also, there are some very,very smart kids there as peers.

He is very happy there. Emory has stuck around #20 or so in the rankings for a long time -- it has a huge endowment and offers a lot of opportunities to the students who do decide to enroll.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you care? Is your diploma from Emory and now you feel that it is useless?

No need to be a jerk for those asking a meaningful question. Anyone who is a parent of a prospective Emory applicant should know why RD students aren't likely to enroll there compared to peer schools.

How is this a meaningful question? Yield goes into rankings, but has no reflection on the quality of education a student receives. Emory is highly ranked. It has a good reputation for employer, especially in its region. It is well respected among graduate school admissions committees.

Because it's telling when extremely bright students (Emory's admit profile is quite strong) who have the decision to go to Emory choose to go elsewhere. If Emory is by far the lowest among both top national universities and a number of LACs (some not considered as good as a top 20 ranked U), that is concerning. RD yield is not factored in the rankings, so a lot of schools report higher yields by taking a number of ED folks. Middlebury is one of the worst for this, with a 43% yield overall thanks to half the class being ED compared to just 20% for RD students. While it's not a perfect measure of institutional strength, it can help give a sense of how the students who are actually admitted perceive their choice upon considering the school. Last I checked, Emory was not considered a safety in this day and time with its 25% admit rate for the last few years.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do you care? Is your diploma from Emory and now you feel that it is useless?

No need to be a jerk for those asking a meaningful question. Anyone who is a parent of a prospective Emory applicant should know why RD students aren't likely to enroll there compared to peer schools.

How is this a meaningful question? Yield goes into rankings, but has no reflection on the quality of education a student receives. Emory is highly ranked. It has a good reputation for employer, especially in its region. It is well respected among graduate school admissions committees.

Because it's telling when extremely bright students (Emory's admit profile is quite strong) who have the decision to go to Emory choose to go elsewhere. If Emory is by far the lowest among both top national universities and a number of LACs (some not considered as good as a top 20 ranked U), that is concerning. RD yield is not factored in the rankings, so a lot of schools report higher yields by taking a number of ED folks. Middlebury is one of the worst for this, with a 43% yield overall thanks to half the class being ED compared to just 20% for RD students. While it's not a perfect measure of institutional strength, it can help give a sense of how the students who are actually admitted perceive their choice upon considering the school. Last I checked, Emory was not considered a safety in this day and time with its 25% admit rate for the last few years.

There are people dying, woman. Talk about navel gazing.

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't Emory have a US News controversy awhile back?

https://poetsandquants.com/2016/04/13/business-schools-get-students-want/3/

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Anonymous wrote:Probably they visit Atlanta and realize it's awful?

https://poetsandquants.com/2016/04/13/business-schools-get-students-want/3/

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Anonymous wrote:I took the time to analyze the yield of students admitted via regular decision across a number of highly ranked private schools, as the overall yield is prone to manipulation by admitting a large number of students early. I was surprised to see that among the 40 schools I studied, Emory has the worst regular decision yield, with just 15% of those who were admitted in regular decision choosing to enroll. This is shocking for a top 20 ranked university. Is there a reason for this?

https://poetsandquants.com/2016/04/13/business-schools-get-students-want/3/

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I dont understand why people are surprised with Emory's super-low yield. Emory is essentially a match school that a ton of the top, prestige-driven students apply to in case they do not get into an ivy or ivy-equivalent. I dont think Emory has any unique draws and the main reason why it gets a lot of this kind of apps apps is because it is in the USNews top 20. So it is no surprise that practically everyone who has one or more elite choices would turn down Emory.

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Anonymous wrote:I dont understand why people are surprised with Emory's super-low yield. Emory is essentially a match school that a ton of the top, prestige-driven students apply to in case they do not get into an ivy or ivy-equivalent. I dont think Emory has any unique draws and the main reason why it gets a lot of this kind of apps apps is because it is in the USNews top 20. So it is no surprise that practically everyone who has one or more elite choices would turn down Emory.

I’ll preface this by saying this is a “layperson’s” view, and I say that to mean I’m not super familiar with the elite schools...but This is kind of my feeling, too- just looking at schools ranked similarly...UCLA and UC-Berkeley have the benefit of instate tuition for many students, Notre Dame is the darling of like every Catholic kid ever, USC is in LA/amazing weather/certain departments like film are extremely prestigious, Georgetown has the DC location/top programs in IR/known for SFS/...what exactly is Emory known for?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do you care? Is your diploma from Emory and now you feel that it is useless?

No need to be a jerk for those asking a meaningful question. Anyone who is a parent of a prospective Emory applicant should know why RD students aren't likely to enroll there compared to peer schools.

How is this a meaningful question? Yield goes into rankings, but has no reflection on the quality of education a student receives. Emory is highly ranked. It has a good reputation for employer, especially in its region. It is well respected among graduate school admissions committees.

Because it's telling when extremely bright students (Emory's admit profile is quite strong) who have the decision to go to Emory choose to go elsewhere. If Emory is by far the lowest among both top national universities and a number of LACs (some not considered as good as a top 20 ranked U), that is concerning. RD yield is not factored in the rankings, so a lot of schools report higher yields by taking a number of ED folks. Middlebury is one of the worst for this, with a 43% yield overall thanks to half the class being ED compared to just 20% for RD students. While it's not a perfect measure of institutional strength, it can help give a sense of how the students who are actually admitted perceive their choice upon considering the school. Last I checked, Emory was not considered a safety in this day and time with its 25% admit rate for the last few years.

U Penn is the worst with ED numbers and discrimination

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Anonymous wrote:None of the above answers explain Emory's low yield. The problem isn't merit aid because the colleges with the highest yield are dominated by those which don't offer any (the Ivies, Pomona/Wellesley/Bowdoin/Williams). The problem isn't that students are applying to multiple schools because that applies for all of these schools, not just Emory.

A 15% yield rate is embarrassing for an institution of the supposed caliber of a top 20 university. The next lowest is Rice, but it's still 10% higher.

Easy answer: It is not a top 20 university.

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So what. Emory is a safety for Ivy League. Does not mean that it isn't a great school. I happen to agree that I think Atlanta is a dump. But others love it. I prefer Miami or Charleston to Atlanta. But come on, Emory is a great school and the 15% that do accept have great stats and will get a great education.