Emory University's dismal yield

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Didn't Emory have a US News controversy awhile back?

That was quite some time ago. I don't think that is on anyone's mind. Who the heck cares about USNews.

[Anonymous]

It just means kids with better options routinely find Emory worth applying to. Low yield doesn't strike me as inherently a bad sign. In this case, it suggests the school is competing for strong students. If it were to rely more heavily on ED to improve yield, it'd probably sacrifice the quality of the class. As already-prestigious schools become out of reach for more kids, a new batch of schools become attractive -- cf Rice, Wash U. My guess is that's the model Emory wants to follow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Didn't Emory have a US News controversy awhile back?

That was quite some time ago. I don't think that is on anyone's mind. Who the heck cares about USNews.

True. USNWR is the real problem behind the madness. They create a frenzy that makes parents believe that a quality education is in short supply. Not true. There are 100's of schools that a student can go to that will we a launching pad to a career and life.The College Board adds to it with all the testing. Private college counseling etc. Everyone making money off this frenzy that every student needs to go to a top 10 school big brand name. Colleges just feed this frenzy and are now able to charge absurd rates. If parents would calm down and not feed the frenzy and see that college education is NOT in short supply. There are professors with PHDs from top colleges teaching at no name schools all over this country. Our generation got caught up in this marketing manipulation and we are paying for it greatly from money out of our pockets to over stressed students.

[Anonymous]

Probably 95%+ of their applicants only apply because they heard about the college via US News.

[Anonymous]

The common app has heralded an era where students can and do apply to over 10+ colleges if desired. This drives applications numbers way up in general, but yield lowers as students can only choose one school to attend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The common app has heralded an era where students can and do apply to over 10+ colleges if desired. This drives applications numbers way up in general, but yield lowers as students can only choose one school to attend.

But many of the top colleges are reporting increased yield. Every Ivy except Princeton had a higher yield this year. Duke reached a 56% yield high from usually 49-52%. Rice and Georgetown's yield went up. Bowdoin, Middlebury, and Pomona also had record yields. Mudd and Pitzer reached a 47% yield from 40% just last year. A ton of schools are unaccounted at the moment due to unreleased data, but I'd expect to see a similar trend at many schools.

Yields are rising at the most selective schools because students aren't getting into multiple places (due to increased apps and falling acceptance rates). Emory's overall yield slightly went up this year (from 26.7% last year to 27.1% this year).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My son is applying to a few privates. We havent told them, but if merit aid isn't forthcoming, he isn't going. I think they all face this problem.

Why haven't you told him? That will be an unpleasant surprise if he falls in love with a school that doesn't give merit money.

Yes, why. My parents did this to me and it broke my heart.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Didn't Emory have a US News controversy awhile back?

That was quite some time ago. I don't think that is on anyone's mind. Who the heck cares about USNews.

True. USNWR is the real problem behind the madness. They create a frenzy that makes parents believe that a quality education is in short supply. Not true. There are 100's of schools that a student can go to that will we a launching pad to a career and life.The College Board adds to it with all the testing. Private college counseling etc. Everyone making money off this frenzy that every student needs to go to a top 10 school big brand name. Colleges just feed this frenzy and are now able to charge absurd rates. If parents would calm down and not feed the frenzy and see that college education is NOT in short supply. There are professors with PHDs from top colleges teaching at no name schools all over this country. Our generation got caught up in this marketing manipulation and we are paying for it greatly from money out of our pockets to over stressed students.

Welcome to the college admissions industrial complex.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It just means kids with better options routinely find Emory worth applying to. Low yield doesn't strike me as inherently a bad sign. In this case, it suggests the school is competing for strong students. If it were to rely more heavily on ED to improve yield, it'd probably sacrifice the quality of the class. As already-prestigious schools become out of reach for more kids, a new batch of schools become attractive -- cf Rice, Wash U. My guess is that's the model Emory wants to follow.

It has to be a bad sign because the school will have to compensate by admitting more applicants which will decrease selectivity which in turn will negatively impact their all-important ranking.

[Anonymous]

No, if Emory's RD pool is better qualified than their ED pool, which seems highly likely, then waiting until RD and admitting lots of high-stats kids for each spot because you know you'll get one but you don't know which one (cf high-stats kids adopting the same logic in their apps) increases selectivity as measured by median credentials of matriculating students. That's a more meaningful stat wrt selectivity than % of applicants admitted. And, longer-term (cf WashU), skilled cohort helps draw more talented kids. So first stage is establish yourself as a place with lots of smart kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No, if Emory's RD pool is better qualified than their ED pool, which seems highly likely, then waiting until RD and admitting lots of high-stats kids for each spot because you know you'll get one but you don't know which one (cf high-stats kids adopting the same logic in their apps) increases selectivity as measured by median credentials of matriculating students. That's a more meaningful stat wrt selectivity than % of applicants admitted. And, longer-term (cf WashU), skilled cohort helps draw more talented kids. So first stage is establish yourself as a place with lots of smart kids.

That assumes that there is an unlimited supply of high stat kids applying to Emory.....not sure that's the case.

[Anonymous]

No, it's just assuming that the RD pool has higher stats than the ED pool. You make incremental progress.

[Anonymous]

I went to Emory, albeit a while ago (graduated in 2001). Emory is everyone's safety. It was my safety, and if I'd gotten into a better school I wouldn't have gone.

That status makes it a great school, though. Full of kids who are quite smart and accomplished - - and just barely missed the cut for their preferred choices.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Didn't Emory have a US News controversy awhile back?

That was quite some time ago. I don't think that is on anyone's mind. Who the heck cares about USNews.

Emory did. Sounded bad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I went to Emory, albeit a while ago (graduated in 2001). Emory is everyone's safety. It was my safety, and if I'd gotten into a better school I wouldn't have gone.

That status makes it a great school, though. Full of kids who are quite smart and accomplished - - and just barely missed the cut for their preferred choices.

Or maybe they missed it by a lot.