Just how prevalent is this oxy addiction thing among our young adults in top privates?

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Anonymous wrote:My relative was a sweet person with two young children who became addicted to heroin. It is a slippery slope. First alcohol and pot, then oxy, and lastly heroin. Died between treatment facilities. Our culture loves to be high on something. All drugs including alcohol and pot are just an escape from reality. But once you start down that road sometimes there is no going back. You physically and mentally get addicted. The people selling the stuff are all about making money off a culture that wants to be drunk or high. The alcohol and beverage industry, the pharmaceutical industry, the drug cartels, the pot growers- even the rehab industry are making money off humans that want to get drunk or high and at some point can't stop getting drunk or high. Addiction can happen to anyone because that is how humans brains respond to drugs and alcohol. I feel most empathy for people with chronic pain because there are few long term solutions. Humans are so messed up. Sometimes I will be watching tv or listening to the radio and there will be an advertisement for beer or vodka and a few minutes later there will be one for a rehab facility. Drugs and Alcohol are a zillion dollar industry that don't mind that the product they are selling kills people.

And yet many parents don't realize the example they set with their evening cocktail or wine and weekend trips to the beer farm. Your kids are watching. They quickly realize that adults use alcohol to relax or have fun.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really surprised by these stories of people getting 100 Percocet from a doc. I know it happens, but I've had chronic pain for years and it is an extremely arduous process to obtain any opiod. I've been to probably 15different neurologist and pain docs and over half of them will not prescribe opiods for people with chronic illness.

Ha! I don't believe you.

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I think some people are predisposed to addiction while others aren't.

I had pain meds after 4 c-sections and was given an extra scrip for longer than usual each time. The pain meds didn't help at all. By the 4th section, I didn't even bother taking them since all they seemed to do was constipate me. I have friends on the other hand who went bananas after taking them post-delivery---stalking their doctors in an effort to get more. Those same friends are heavy drinkers and I believe they have more addictive personalities.

Since pain meds did literally nothing for me, I'm really curious how they provide any sort of high. I've had all of them before, and zippo. I was prescribed them for other issues and procedures in the past, and I always stopped taking them after 48 hours since they brought no relief.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My relative was a sweet person with two young children who became addicted to heroin. It is a slippery slope. First alcohol and pot, then oxy, and lastly heroin. Died between treatment facilities. Our culture loves to be high on something. All drugs including alcohol and pot are just an escape from reality. But once you start down that road sometimes there is no going back. You physically and mentally get addicted. The people selling the stuff are all about making money off a culture that wants to be drunk or high. The alcohol and beverage industry, the pharmaceutical industry, the drug cartels, the pot growers- even the rehab industry are making money off humans that want to get drunk or high and at some point can't stop getting drunk or high. Addiction can happen to anyone because that is how humans brains respond to drugs and alcohol. I feel most empathy for people with chronic pain because there are few long term solutions. Humans are so messed up. Sometimes I will be watching tv or listening to the radio and there will be an advertisement for beer or vodka and a few minutes later there will be one for a rehab facility. Drugs and Alcohol are a zillion dollar industry that don't mind that the product they are selling kills people.

And yet many parents don't realize the example they set with their evening cocktail or wine and weekend trips to the beer farm. Your kids are watching. They quickly realize that adults use alcohol to relax or have fun.

Yes... substance abuse is substance abuse is substance abuse. Except... having a cocktail or wine at night isn't abuse. The tough reality is that many are able to enjoy alcohol and some drugs casually without developing dependencies and while others have different brain chemistry and struggle with addiction for life. It's certainly not fair. The scary thing about heroin/opiates (and meth while we're at it), much more than even cocaine, which felt like the wealthy party drug of choice among my generation, is how instantly and quickly it sucks people in. It's important to talk about with our kids and families. Saying that trying any drugs or alcohol as a teenager is equally bad is wrong and misleading. Yes, it's illegal and yes I get that you want your kid to just say no. But not being willing to acknowledge and have open discourse about how much more severe the immediate consequences of recreational pain killer use or trying heroin even one is a huge miss. People need to understand that in the world we live in now, these options and opportunities will most likely come up for your child sooner than you can imagine. It doesn't matter what high school, public or private. Have the conversation. Now.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My relative was a sweet person with two young children who became addicted to heroin. It is a slippery slope. First alcohol and pot, then oxy, and lastly heroin. Died between treatment facilities. Our culture loves to be high on something. All drugs including alcohol and pot are just an escape from reality. But once you start down that road sometimes there is no going back. You physically and mentally get addicted. The people selling the stuff are all about making money off a culture that wants to be drunk or high. The alcohol and beverage industry, the pharmaceutical industry, the drug cartels, the pot growers- even the rehab industry are making money off humans that want to get drunk or high and at some point can't stop getting drunk or high. Addiction can happen to anyone because that is how humans brains respond to drugs and alcohol. I feel most empathy for people with chronic pain because there are few long term solutions. Humans are so messed up. Sometimes I will be watching tv or listening to the radio and there will be an advertisement for beer or vodka and a few minutes later there will be one for a rehab facility. Drugs and Alcohol are a zillion dollar industry that don't mind that the product they are selling kills people.

And yet many parents don't realize the example they set with their evening cocktail or wine and weekend trips to the beer farm. Your kids are watching. They quickly realize that adults use alcohol to relax or have fun.

Yes... substance abuse is substance abuse is substance abuse. Except... having a cocktail or wine at night isn't abuse. The tough reality is that many are able to enjoy alcohol and some drugs casually without developing dependencies and while others have different brain chemistry and struggle with addiction for life. It's certainly not fair. The scary thing about heroin/opiates (and meth while we're at it), much more than even cocaine, which felt like the wealthy party drug of choice among my generation, is how instantly and quickly it sucks people in. It's important to talk about with our kids and families. Saying that trying any drugs or alcohol as a teenager is equally bad is wrong and misleading. Yes, it's illegal and yes I get that you want your kid to just say no. But not being willing to acknowledge and have open discourse about how much more severe the immediate consequences of recreational pain killer use or trying heroin even one is a huge miss. People need to understand that in the world we live in now, these options and opportunities will most likely come up for your child sooner than you can imagine. It doesn't matter what high school, public or private. Have the conversation. Now.

Most people I know don't stop at one drink. Most have an evening ritual that starts at 6 and ends when they crash in bed. I know so many functional alcoholics. And even if you think that's debatable, the reality is that kids who grow up thinking that all adults drink every night are more likely to have issues down the road. Studies show that.

Parents should be teaching their kids how quickly you can die from drugs. All it takes is one bad hit. And they should explain how addictive it is.

Instead, we have parents smoking pot and drinking every night. It's really not shocking to see so many kids struggling with addiction.

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Anonymous wrote:Read the book "Dreamland." It really lays out the perfect storm that created this problem in America -- the overprescribing of pain medications, the pill mills, and the cheap black tar heroin coming in from Mexico and specifically being targeted to white, middle-income communities (not the big cities).

Luckily I haven't had this problem in my family, but one of the things that really stuck with me is how an addict is not "well" once they get home from rehab. It really takes about a year for the brain to heal itself and learn how to function without the morphine molecule controlling it.

I think if this happened to one of my children I would stick to him like glue for a solid year after rehab. Anything else -- school, college, sports -- can wait. Or you really could be like most addicts, going through a cycle that only ends with prison or death.

Of course personal responsibility is only a factor when 'others' are concerned . Pill mills, Mexico, over prescription blah blah blah

I am the poster you are quoting. I have no idea what you're talking/complaining about. There was a perfect storm of factors that led to this. People willing to numb themselves with drugs is definitely the biggest part of it. But the easy access to cheap drugs, doctors willing to act very unethically, big Phrma knowingly lying about the pills' addictive qualities -- all important factors.

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Anonymous wrote:I think some people are predisposed to addiction while others aren't.

I had pain meds after 4 c-sections and was given an extra scrip for longer than usual each time. The pain meds didn't help at all. By the 4th section, I didn't even bother taking them since all they seemed to do was constipate me. I have friends on the other hand who went bananas after taking them post-delivery---stalking their doctors in an effort to get more. Those same friends are heavy drinkers and I believe they have more addictive personalities.

Since pain meds did literally nothing for me, I'm really curious how they provide any sort of high. I've had all of them before, and zippo. I was prescribed them for other issues and procedures in the past, and I always stopped taking them after 48 hours since they brought no relief.

Genetics definitely are a factor. I've always been careful with alcohol because my grandfather and most of his siblings were alcoholics. Never taken an opioid. DH, fortunately, does not seem inclined -- he had a prescription following surgery and they made him feel absolutely awful and kept him from sleeping. He's had other surgeries since and just used Ibuprofen.

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh. So much sympathy now that the victims are white.

Drug addicts are drug addicts.

I have zero sympathy. Taking drugs is a conscious choice just as drinking us.

Yep, you don't get addicted without starting in the first place

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think some people are predisposed to addiction while others aren't.

I had pain meds after 4 c-sections and was given an extra scrip for longer than usual each time. The pain meds didn't help at all. By the 4th section, I didn't even bother taking them since all they seemed to do was constipate me. I have friends on the other hand who went bananas after taking them post-delivery---stalking their doctors in an effort to get more. Those same friends are heavy drinkers and I believe they have more addictive personalities.

Since pain meds did literally nothing for me, I'm really curious how they provide any sort of high. I've had all of them before, and zippo. I was prescribed them for other issues and procedures in the past, and I always stopped taking them after 48 hours since they brought no relief.

I agree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think some people are predisposed to addiction while others aren't.

I had pain meds after 4 c-sections and was given an extra scrip for longer than usual each time. The pain meds didn't help at all. By the 4th section, I didn't even bother taking them since all they seemed to do was constipate me. I have friends on the other hand who went bananas after taking them post-delivery---stalking their doctors in an effort to get more. Those same friends are heavy drinkers and I believe they have more addictive personalities.

Since pain meds did literally nothing for me, I'm really curious how they provide any sort of high. I've had all of them before, and zippo. I was prescribed them for other issues and procedures in the past, and I always stopped taking them after 48 hours since they brought no relief.

I agree.

[Anonymous]

The droves of "young men" (and women) becoming addicted to narcotics as teenagers and young adults aren't all in pain and over prescribed opioids by docs. This is a product of the hedonistic and substance-obsessed American culture.

People here are obsessed with getting drunk and getting high. SAHMs joke about getting drunk to deal with kids. For some ungodly reason pot is getting legalized in more and more states. Growing up, the major rite-of-passage is getting drunk and being able to drink and getting your hands on alcohol.

Oxy and heroin is just another substance in the line up. The unfortunate thing about them is that they are highly addictive to some people.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think some people are predisposed to addiction while others aren't.

I had pain meds after 4 c-sections and was given an extra scrip for longer than usual each time. The pain meds didn't help at all. By the 4th section, I didn't even bother taking them since all they seemed to do was constipate me. I have friends on the other hand who went bananas after taking them post-delivery---stalking their doctors in an effort to get more. Those same friends are heavy drinkers and I believe they have more addictive personalities.

Since pain meds did literally nothing for me, I'm really curious how they provide any sort of high. I've had all of them before, and zippo. I was prescribed them for other issues and procedures in the past, and I always stopped taking them after 48 hours since they brought no relief.

I agree.

My experience is similar except the painkillers helped - but I felt no high just relief from pain.

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh. So much sympathy now that the victims are white.

Drug addicts are drug addicts.

I have zero sympathy. Taking drugs is a conscious choice just as drinking us.

Seriously? Are you really that thick headed to not understand that addiction is a DISEASE? Just like cancer, Alzheimer's,asthma, arthritis...you have zero sympathy for those who suffer from those illnesses as well? Part of the problem in this conversation is the extreme ignorance, it is frightening. GO EDUCATE YOURSELF.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ugh. So much sympathy now that the victims are white.

Drug addicts are drug addicts.

I have zero sympathy. Taking drugs is a conscious choice just as drinking us.

Seriously? Are you really that thick headed to not understand that addiction is a DISEASE? Just like cancer, Alzheimer's,asthma, arthritis...you have zero sympathy for those who suffer from those illnesses as well? Part of the problem in this conversation is the extreme ignorance, it is frightening. GO EDUCATE YOURSELF.

I am not PP, but if you never take an opiate I guarantee you won't become addicted. It was a choice at some point.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ugh. So much sympathy now that the victims are white.

Drug addicts are drug addicts.

I have zero sympathy. Taking drugs is a conscious choice just as drinking us.

Seriously? Are you really that thick headed to not understand that addiction is a DISEASE? Just like cancer, Alzheimer's,asthma, arthritis...you have zero sympathy for those who suffer from those illnesses as well? Part of the problem in this conversation is the extreme ignorance, it is frightening. GO EDUCATE YOURSELF.

I am not PP, but if you never take an opiate I guarantee you won't become addicted. It was a choice at some point.

Doctors throw this stuff out like candy. My (now former) doctor prescribed an opioid to me when I was looking for a strong NSAID, and he didn't even tell me he was doing it. Had I not checked the drug info after I picked up my prescription I may not have known. I was lucky enough not to take it, but how many aren't?