Just how prevalent is this oxy addiction thing among our young adults in top privates?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:It's happening at our public HS in a very wealthy area of N. VA.

+100

It's much more common than people realize and the wealthy don't talk about it.

Of course the "wealthy" don't talk about it... They've spent too much energy blaming the problems in poor Black communities on crack.

We know it's you, Lilly White. Please answer me this since you're so obsessed with race particularly the heroin vs crack problem. Why did wealthy white people not give a damn about poor white folks using meth? If this is such a race issue, why didn't whites care about white meth addicts?

Crack addicts weren't addicted to RXs. Most of the new heroin addicts didn't even realize they were addicted until the RX was cut off or not enough to meet their "need," which happens quite quickly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:+1 to whoever told off the "personal responsibility" jerk. The manufacturers of Oxycontin told physicians over and over that Oxy was NOT addictive because of the time release. They lied and lied and covered up evidence for years. And there were plenty of criminal physicians who were happy to prescribe tsunamis of pills for patients who had become addicted. It's a horrible, sad story and we are going to be stuck sorting out the fallout for years while people die.

^^^
This.
Purdue Pharmaceutical (Sanger family) is now one of richest in the world as a result of OxyContin. The company (not any member of the Sanger family) admitted to lying about its addictive properties and paid a fine that amounted to about three cents on the dollar of profit. No one went to jail but thousands are dying as a result. Drug distributors, pharmacies, hospitals and MDs have all profited mightily. The rehab outfits are now raking it in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+1 to whoever told off the "personal responsibility" jerk. The manufacturers of Oxycontin told physicians over and over that Oxy was NOT addictive because of the time release. They lied and lied and covered up evidence for years. And there were plenty of criminal physicians who were happy to prescribe tsunamis of pills for patients who had become addicted. It's a horrible, sad story and we are going to be stuck sorting out the fallout for years while people die.

^^^
This.
Purdue Pharmaceutical (Sanger family) is now one of richest in the world as a result of OxyContin. The company (not any member of the Sanger family) admitted to lying about its addictive properties and paid a fine that amounted to about three cents on the dollar of profit. No one went to jail but thousands are dying as a result. Drug distributors, pharmacies, hospitals and MDs have all profited mightily. The rehab outfits are now raking it in.

And don't forget about the profits of the distributors. McKesson's CEO is raking it in: http://fortune.com/2017/07/10/mckesson-ceo-pay-opioid-teamsters/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ugh. So much sympathy now that the victims are white.

Drug addicts are drug addicts.

I have zero sympathy. Taking drugs is a conscious choice just as drinking us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Brother and sister in law found out about 2 months ago their son was addicted to Oxycontin and had started using heroin when he could not afford them. Needless to say this has stunned and devastated our family. This kid is a good student, top athlete in one of the best privates. I am shocked and still reeling from this. They have immediately sent him to a highly recommended treatment facility but before he went they were going to a local dr who was helping them to find the right place. During the course of their visits over 3 or so weeks they "bumped into" three separate families they knew. Needless to say it was very awkward yet strange as it might sound my sister said strangely comforting as she knew she was not along. This has rocked our family more than words than speak, and I know you hear it on the news all the time, but you think never me.

My sister and H both professionals, very successful, kids all go to great schools, form the outside they have it all....yet inside are trying to deal with this nightmare. They have since found out a few others from his school are in treatment for same thing. It is so tragic, not sure he will even be back to school this semester. We are doing what we can to help but having kids only 7 and 8 this feels surreal yet I see it does not discriminate. I guess I am just here venting, no real reason just to say that this does really seem to be an epidemic and it is frightening seeing it first hand.

This is a typical scenario with drug addict kids: parents are too busy making money and building their career. They outsourced most of the staff at home including kids. If at least one parent is not available for child at the time of the transitioning into adulthood, there are too much risk that the child will fall into some bad habits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:+1 to whoever told off the "personal responsibility" jerk. The manufacturers of Oxycontin told physicians over and over that Oxy was NOT addictive because of the time release. They lied and lied and covered up evidence for years. And there were plenty of criminal physicians who were happy to prescribe tsunamis of pills for patients who had become addicted. It's a horrible, sad story and we are going to be stuck sorting out the fallout for years while people die.

How about making your own mind and not to rely on physicians who are making money off you? I was prescribed Oxy after removing wisdom teeth. I never even filled the prescription. I don't need a physician to tell me it is not addictive, I know it without them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+1 to whoever told off the "personal responsibility" jerk. The manufacturers of Oxycontin told physicians over and over that Oxy was NOT addictive because of the time release. They lied and lied and covered up evidence for years. And there were plenty of criminal physicians who were happy to prescribe tsunamis of pills for patients who had become addicted. It's a horrible, sad story and we are going to be stuck sorting out the fallout for years while people die.

^^^
This.
Purdue Pharmaceutical (Sanger family) is now one of richest in the world as a result of OxyContin. The company (not any member of the Sanger family) admitted to lying about its addictive properties and paid a fine that amounted to about three cents on the dollar of profit. No one went to jail but thousands are dying as a result. Drug distributors, pharmacies, hospitals and MDs have all profited mightily. The rehab outfits are now raking it in.

The Sacklers, you mean. Every time I walk into the Mortimer Sackler wing at the Met, I spare a thought for all the people who've died from addictions that began with OxyContin.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ugh. So much sympathy now that the victims are white.

Drug addicts are drug addicts.

How do you know the victims are white? Are POC not permitted at top private schools? I don't think so!

Statistically the highest consumption of heroin is by white males ages 18-25. It used to be black people 15-20 years ago but that has changed significantly. I think more people are aware and concerned by this current drug epidemic more than others because not only is it mainly affecting whites, it is heavily affecting the middle to upper classes. I would say SES is the main factor, even over race. No one cared about the crack problem with black people in the 80s because they were inner-city poor, no one cared about the white low-income trailer park meth-heads because they were poor too. Now all of a sudden heroin is in affluent suburbs, private schools, colleges, etc and people are taking notice. It is now a 'public health problem.' In addition, heroin is far more deadly than crack and meth.

Yep. No one cared until suddenly it was Aiden, student council prez and varsity football captain, whose dad is a biglaw partner and mom and dad are high school sweethearts who met at Princeton, who is affected. When it was Tyrone in the hood or Bubba in the trailer park -whatever they just lacked personal responsibility. But now don't you DARE say Aiden and his parents were irresponsible -- nope it's everyone's fault except theirs that their kid is buying heroin; it's the fault of the person selling; the doctors; the neighbors who knew who didn't come tell you; his friends; his teachers for putting so much pressure on him; the whole college admissions process -- you name it, but NOT Aiden or his parents.

[Anonymous]

My relative was a sweet person with two young children who became addicted to heroin. It is a slippery slope. First alcohol and pot, then oxy, and lastly heroin. Died between treatment facilities. Our culture loves to be high on something. All drugs including alcohol and pot are just an escape from reality. But once you start down that road sometimes there is no going back. You physically and mentally get addicted. The people selling the stuff are all about making money off a culture that wants to be drunk or high. The alcohol and beverage industry, the pharmaceutical industry, the drug cartels, the pot growers- even the rehab industry are making money off humans that want to get drunk or high and at some point can't stop getting drunk or high. Addiction can happen to anyone because that is how humans brains respond to drugs and alcohol. I feel most empathy for people with chronic pain because there are few long term solutions. Humans are so messed up. Sometimes I will be watching tv or listening to the radio and there will be an advertisement for beer or vodka and a few minutes later there will be one for a rehab facility. Drugs and Alcohol are a zillion dollar industry that don't mind that the product they are selling kills people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My relative was a sweet person with two young children who became addicted to heroin. It is a slippery slope. First alcohol and pot, then oxy, and lastly heroin. Died between treatment facilities. Our culture loves to be high on something. All drugs including alcohol and pot are just an escape from reality. But once you start down that road sometimes there is no going back. You physically and mentally get addicted. The people selling the stuff are all about making money off a culture that wants to be drunk or high. The alcohol and beverage industry, the pharmaceutical industry, the drug cartels, the pot growers- even the rehab industry are making money off humans that want to get drunk or high and at some point can't stop getting drunk or high. Addiction can happen to anyone because that is how humans brains respond to drugs and alcohol. I feel most empathy for people with chronic pain because there are few long term solutions. Humans are so messed up. Sometimes I will be watching tv or listening to the radio and there will be an advertisement for beer or vodka and a few minutes later there will be one for a rehab facility. Drugs and Alcohol are a zillion dollar industry that don't mind that the product they are selling kills people.

This.
And it has zero to do with race, SES, what school your kid attends, if you are a SAHP, etc. Addiction is a disease and does not discriminate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My relative was a sweet person with two young children who became addicted to heroin. It is a slippery slope. First alcohol and pot, then oxy, and lastly heroin. Died between treatment facilities. Our culture loves to be high on something. All drugs including alcohol and pot are just an escape from reality. But once you start down that road sometimes there is no going back. You physically and mentally get addicted. The people selling the stuff are all about making money off a culture that wants to be drunk or high. The alcohol and beverage industry, the pharmaceutical industry, the drug cartels, the pot growers- even the rehab industry are making money off humans that want to get drunk or high and at some point can't stop getting drunk or high. Addiction can happen to anyone because that is how humans brains respond to drugs and alcohol. I feel most empathy for people with chronic pain because there are few long term solutions. Humans are so messed up. Sometimes I will be watching tv or listening to the radio and there will be an advertisement for beer or vodka and a few minutes later there will be one for a rehab facility. Drugs and Alcohol are a zillion dollar industry that don't mind that the product they are selling kills people.

Big pharma drug cartels is right.

[Anonymous]

I'm really surprised by these stories of people getting 100 Percocet from a doc. I know it happens, but I've had chronic pain for years and it is an extremely arduous process to obtain any opiod. I've been to probably 15different neurologist and pain docs and over half of them will not prescribe opiods for people with chronic illness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My relative was a sweet person with two young children who became addicted to heroin. It is a slippery slope. First alcohol and pot, then oxy, and lastly heroin. Died between treatment facilities. Our culture loves to be high on something. All drugs including alcohol and pot are just an escape from reality. But once you start down that road sometimes there is no going back. You physically and mentally get addicted. The people selling the stuff are all about making money off a culture that wants to be drunk or high. The alcohol and beverage industry, the pharmaceutical industry, the drug cartels, the pot growers- even the rehab industry are making money off humans that want to get drunk or high and at some point can't stop getting drunk or high. Addiction can happen to anyone because that is how humans brains respond to drugs and alcohol. I feel most empathy for people with chronic pain because there are few long term solutions. Humans are so messed up. Sometimes I will be watching tv or listening to the radio and there will be an advertisement for beer or vodka and a few minutes later there will be one for a rehab facility. Drugs and Alcohol are a zillion dollar industry that don't mind that the product they are selling kills people.

This.
And it has zero to do with race, SES, what school your kid attends, if you are a SAHP, etc. Addiction is a disease and does not discriminate.

I agree about addiction being a disease. But what is your response to the point that some kids make the decision not to try these drugs even once, and some decide to dabble in them and risk the addiction roulette, so to speak? (Of course this doesn't apply to people who are originally prescribed them for pain / surgery / etc. I'm talking about people who started off taking them recreationally which, when I was in HS 10 years ago, was a surprisingly large amount of them)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ugh. So much sympathy now that the victims are white.

Drug addicts are drug addicts.

How do you know the victims are white? Are POC not permitted at top private schools? I don't think so!

Statistically the highest consumption of heroin is by white males ages 18-25. It used to be black people 15-20 years ago but that has changed significantly. I think more people are aware and concerned by this current drug epidemic more than others because not only is it mainly affecting whites, it is heavily affecting the middle to upper classes. I would say SES is the main factor, even over race. No one cared about the crack problem with black people in the 80s because they were inner-city poor, no one cared about the white low-income trailer park meth-heads because they were poor too. Now all of a sudden heroin is in affluent suburbs, private schools, colleges, etc and people are taking notice. It is now a 'public health problem.' In addition, heroin is far more deadly than crack and meth.

Yep. No one cared until suddenly it was Aiden, student council prez and varsity football captain, whose dad is a biglaw partner and mom and dad are high school sweethearts who met at Princeton, who is affected. When it was Tyrone in the hood or Bubba in the trailer park -whatever they just lacked personal responsibility. But now don't you DARE say Aiden and his parents were irresponsible -- nope it's everyone's fault except theirs that their kid is buying heroin; it's the fault of the person selling; the doctors; the neighbors who knew who didn't come tell you; his friends; his teachers for putting so much pressure on him; the whole college admissions process -- you name it, but NOT Aiden or his parents.

I call BS. Aiden's story isn't adding up

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+1 to whoever told off the "personal responsibility" jerk. The manufacturers of Oxycontin told physicians over and over that Oxy was NOT addictive because of the time release. They lied and lied and covered up evidence for years. And there were plenty of criminal physicians who were happy to prescribe tsunamis of pills for patients who had become addicted. It's a horrible, sad story and we are going to be stuck sorting out the fallout for years while people die.

^^^
This.
Purdue Pharmaceutical (Sanger family) is now one of richest in the world as a result of OxyContin. The company (not any member of the Sanger family) admitted to lying about its addictive properties and paid a fine that amounted to about three cents on the dollar of profit. No one went to jail but thousands are dying as a result. Drug distributors, pharmacies, hospitals and MDs have all profited mightily. The rehab outfits are now raking it in.

The Sacklers, you mean. Every time I walk into the Mortimer Sackler wing at the Met, I spare a thought for all the people who've died from addictions that began with OxyContin.

Not only do the Sacklers make $billions on the overprescription of Purdue Pharma painkillers, they invented the practice of patients rating their own pain on a 1-10 scale and docs being expected to eliminate it. Big pharma should have to disgorge all profits from excess prescribing: it's estimated that enough opiate pills are prescribed every year to give every man/woman/child in America a 30-day supply.