Our so-called democracy is a farse

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Anonymous wrote:Representative Democracy vs direct democracy

FTFY

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We are a constitutional democracy. Arguing about popular votes is meaningless in our form of democracy.

Because we are a Republic.

Representative democracies, i.e. republics, can choose elected officials via popular vote. There is nothing about being a republic that requires an institution like the EC to exist. And the fact that in the last 20 years the previously unprecedented occurrence of a President winning EC while losing popular vote happened twice is an indication that something is very broken with our process. I promise you the Founders were not thinking that 70 votes in PA, WI, and MI should outweigh 3 million in NY and CA.

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The straw man argument about "popular-vote" democracy vs representative democracy ignores he is duly elected under our form of democratic system. If you don't like it, change it in a legal way. Calling him to be impeached 4 months into the office shows the other side's contempt to democracy.

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Anonymous wrote:Until we stop politicizing this and really work together and set politics aside, Putin wins.
This is for both sides. Right now, mainly GOP, but Dems have a role in this too.

agree

And let's wipe Hollywood off the political arena.

I don't need Katy Perry or Chuck Norris giving me "voting tips."

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Anonymous wrote:Trump did not win the majority of American voters so no - he did not win in a democracy. Happy?

+1. We are a republic. Trump won because we are NOT a democracy. God I wish you people took civics.

Took it in 7th grade. I don't remember all that stuff 30+ years later. Most people don't unless they have a strong interest in a particular subject.

Google is your friend

as is the Pledge of Allegiance

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

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It is time to go back to the original pledge - pre Red scare

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Anonymous wrote:Until we stop politicizing this and really work together and set politics aside, Putin wins.
This is for both sides. Right now, mainly GOP, but Dems have a role in this too.

agree

And let's wipe Hollywood off the political arena.

I don't need Katy Perry or Chuck Norris giving me "voting tips."

I don't get this. They are just as entitled to their opinion as you are.


Are you proposing to restrict their First Amendment rights? Also, mature and intelligent people know not to rely on "Hollywood" for their opinions.

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aww

Did I hit a sore spot?

Not everyone is "mature" enough to understand propaganda. The 18 yo eligible to vote (And I turned 18 during an election year.) doesn't always have enough knowledge to make an EDUCATED decision.

So when Meryl Streep is walking around in a flag dress, for example, supporting for Hillary, the lines between entertainment and politics blur.

But why would I waste my time on you? You're "educated," yes? and apparently mature

Lots of people of every age from 18 on up don't have enough knowledge to make an EDUCATED decision, regardless of Meryl Streep. Or Scott Baio or that guy who used to be married to Melanie Griffith. Do you want to change the Constitution to require people to pass an information test in order to be permitted to vote?

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Anonymous wrote:The reason we have an electoral college is so California and New York don't decide the presidential election by themselves. The fact that Clinton won the popular vote is *meaningless*. You constantly harp on that as if it proves something, but it does not, all the more so since almost all of the 3 million votes Clinton won by came from California. California doesn't elect our president. We all do.

California? Which Federalist Paper is this discussed in? I guess those Founding Fathers truly were visionary.

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Anonymous wrote:The straw man argument about "popular-vote" democracy vs representative democracy ignores he is duly elected under our form of democratic system. If you don't like it, change it in a legal way. Calling him to be impeached 4 months into the office shows the other side's contempt to democracy.

Well, if he's going to be impeached (I doubt that), it would be in a legal way, as duly elected president who didn't do his job right. All 4 month his been terrible in his job.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.wsj.com/articles/democracy-is-not-your-plaything-1495149082

Mr. Trump’s longtime foes, especially Democrats and progressives, are in the throes of a kind of obsessive delight. Every new blunder, every suggestion of an illegality, gives them pleasure. “He’ll be gone by autumn.”

But he was duly and legally elected by tens of millions of Americans who had legitimate reasons to support him, who knew they were throwing the long ball, and who, polls suggest, continue to support him. They believe the press is trying to kill him. “He’s new, not a politician, give him a chance.” What would it do to them, what would it say to them, to have him brusquely removed by his enemies after so little time? Would it tell them democracy is a con, the swamp always wins, you nobodies can make your little choices but we’re in control? What will that do to their faith in our institutions, in democracy itself?"

But there’s an emerging sense of tragedy, isn’t there? Crucially needed reforms in taxing, regulation and infrastructure—changes the country needs!—are thwarted, all momentum killed. Markets are nervous.

The world sees the U.S. political system once again as a circus. Once the circus comes to town, it consumes everything, absorbs all energy.

I asked the ambassador to the U.S. from one of our greatest allies: “What does Europe say now when America leaves the room?” You’re still great, he said, but “we think you’re having a nervous breakdown.”

Well, for the 3 million more of us who voted for the other candidate, having him removed so quickly would be an indication that our checks and balances work and that our constitution is strong and that this country will not stand by and watch grift and corruption destroy it.

Trump, by the way, was not elected by a democracy. He was elected by the electoral system. The majority of voters voted for someone else.

As for giving him "a chance" - he had it and he blew it starting from day one.

He won 84% of the counties.

If you don't like him, vote him out in 4 years. You had your chance on November 8, you lost. Get over it.

I am over it. And now I'm enjoying watching his presidency implode.

By the way, the percentage of counties voting for a candidate doesn't have anything to do with the definition of democracy. Look it up.

Neither does the meaningless 3 million more votes in California.

If this country were a pure democracy, those 3 million more votes would have meant HRC was president. But we're not a democracy in that way, so Peggy Noonan should stop whining.

We are a constitutional democracy. Arguing about popular votes is meaningless in our form of democracy.

Because we are a Republic.

LOL! No we aren't. We are a corporatist plutocracy. The only way anyone has a voice in our government is to drop a check for 5-6 figures in someone's campaign coffer.

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Anonymous wrote:The straw man argument about "popular-vote" democracy vs representative democracy ignores he is duly elected under our form of democratic system. If you don't like it, change it in a legal way. Calling him to be impeached 4 months into the office shows the other side's contempt to democracy.

And if it is shown that Trump or members of his campaign colluded with a foreign power to have them interfere with our election to throw it to Trump, what does that show? Seems like a contempt for democracy to me. Also, you know, treason.

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Anonymous wrote:The straw man argument about "popular-vote" democracy vs representative democracy ignores he is duly elected under our form of democratic system. If you don't like it, change it in a legal way. Calling him to be impeached 4 months into the office shows the other side's contempt to democracy.

And if it is shown that Trump or members of his campaign colluded with a foreign power to have them interfere with our election to throw it to Trump, what does that show? Seems like a contempt for democracy to me. Also, you know, treason.

Comey started requesting FISA warrant in May of 2016. 12 months later, still not a single piece of evidence. And that was for Carter Page, a nobody who was not even in the campaign.

Harvard law professor Dershowitz said even if he colluded with Russian, there would still be no crime.

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Anonymous wrote:Until we stop politicizing this and really work together and set politics aside, Putin wins.
This is for both sides. Right now, mainly GOP, but Dems have a role in this too.

agree

And let's wipe Hollywood off the political arena.

I don't need Katy Perry or Chuck Norris giving me "voting tips."

Sorry you lack the ability to filter. Do you need someone that change the channel for you when the Kardashians come on?

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Anonymous wrote:The straw man argument about "popular-vote" democracy vs representative democracy ignores he is duly elected under our form of democratic system. If you don't like it, change it in a legal way. Calling him to be impeached 4 months into the office shows the other side's contempt to democracy.

And if it is shown that Trump or members of his campaign colluded with a foreign power to have them interfere with our election to throw it to Trump, what does that show? Seems like a contempt for democracy to me. Also, you know, treason.

Comey started requesting FISA warrant in May of 2016. 12 months later, still not a single piece of evidence. And that was for Carter Page, a nobody who was not even in the campaign.

Harvard law professor Dershowitz said even if he colluded with Russian, there would still be no crime.

Is it Spring in Minsk yet?