What so you think happens to us when we die?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can one be Catholic or Jewish or whatever and still believe in no afterlife?

I'm not Jewish but I've been to a number of Jewish funerals and noticed that there was no discussion of an afterlife.

That's right. Christians keep harping about an afterlife. We Jews don't talk about it. Maybe there is one, maybe not. Christians are always saying that we must act morally because that's how to get to Heaven. If you act immorally, you go to Hell. To a Jew, that makes no sense. Jews believe that one must act morally because it's the right thing to do. If you're acting morally simply because you're afraid that if you don't, you will burn in Hell for eternity, that doesn't make you a moral person. It makes you a person acting out of self interest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I believe in God, Jesus , the Holy Spirit , Heaven and Hell.
My personal reasons are spiritual, observational , artifactually and common sense.

1) I believe we have a soul. I think even atheists are a little offended If anybody said their child didn't have a soul.

2) The story of Christ penetrates my soul for some reason. The triumph of love, the balance of justice and the searingly accurate accounting of human weakness does not feel like it originated from human minds. Humans don't like to be humiliated by their character. The way you can't get the story out of your mind or off your hands is unique among any I have witnessed.

3) To me it's obvious their is an intelligent entity that created our existence and physical universe. Matter, time , physical laws, math and love don't just happen from nothing. That is a more unlikely prospect than a Flying Spaghetti Monster. It's obvious that our creation occurred outside the realm of math, time , a sequence of events , and physical laws. That would be a entity beyond our comprehension and capacity.

4) the shroud of Turin is the only man made object on earth that man cannot understand or has any idea how to duplicate. And it is the image of Crucified Christ.


5) there is no downside to belief in Christ. If you are on your deathbed it may be your only hope and it would be absolutely foolish not to grasp the only rescue rope you have. If it's not true you haven't lost anything.

The shroud of Turin carbon dates only to the Middle Ages. It's simply a cloth with the image of a man painted on.

Seriously, you'd have to have make a DNA match with tissue of the Crucified Christ and the shroud. Not even a photograph would do, even if they existed in the first century, because so many people look alike and there are no other photos to compare it to.

[Anonymous]

You lose conciousness and never regain it. Then you turn to ashes and dust unless you are cremated and speed up the process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I believe in God, Jesus , the Holy Spirit , Heaven and Hell.
My personal reasons are spiritual, observational , artifactually and common sense.

1) I believe we have a soul. I think even atheists are a little offended If anybody said their child didn't have a soul.

2) The story of Christ penetrates my soul for some reason. The triumph of love, the balance of justice and the searingly accurate accounting of human weakness does not feel like it originated from human minds. Humans don't like to be humiliated by their character. The way you can't get the story out of your mind or off your hands is unique among any I have witnessed.

3) To me it's obvious their is an intelligent entity that created our existence and physical universe. Matter, time , physical laws, math and love don't just happen from nothing. That is a more unlikely prospect than a Flying Spaghetti Monster. It's obvious that our creation occurred outside the realm of math, time , a sequence of events , and physical laws. That would be a entity beyond our comprehension and capacity.

4) the shroud of Turin is the only man made object on earth that man cannot understand or has any idea how to duplicate. And it is the image of Crucified Christ.


5) there is no downside to belief in Christ. If you are on your deathbed it may be your only hope and it would be absolutely foolish not to grasp the only rescue rope you have. If it's not true you haven't lost anything.

The shroud of Turin carbon dates only to the Middle Ages. It's simply a cloth with the image of a man painted on.

Seriously, you'd have to have make a DNA match with tissue of the Crucified Christ and the shroud. Not even a photograph would do, even if they existed in the first century, because so many people look alike and there are no other photos to compare it to.

That's true. But the shroud has been tested for DNA and there is none.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can one be Catholic or Jewish or whatever and still believe in no afterlife?

I'm not Jewish but I've been to a number of Jewish funerals and noticed that there was no discussion of an afterlife.

That's right. Christians keep harping about an afterlife. We Jews don't talk about it. Maybe there is one, maybe not. Christians are always saying that we must act morally because that's how to get to Heaven. If you act immorally, you go to Hell. To a Jew, that makes no sense. Jews believe that one must act morally because it's the right thing to do. If you're acting morally simply because you're afraid that if you don't, you will burn in Hell for eternity, that doesn't make you a moral person. It makes you a person acting out of self interest.

This is not Christianity. In Christianity, God's love for us is so overwhelming and perfect, there is nothing we can do to earn it. You don't go to heaven or hell because of what you DO. It is impossible to do enough to enter the Kingdom of God - God is perfect and we are not. Christ poured out his love for us to the point of death. We are so grateful for that, we naturally try to imitate our Lord (and brother) Christ. Of course we fall short, but we attempt do good in imitation of God.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can one be Catholic or Jewish or whatever and still believe in no afterlife?

I'm not Jewish but I've been to a number of Jewish funerals and noticed that there was no discussion of an afterlife.

That's right. Christians keep harping about an afterlife. We Jews don't talk about it. Maybe there is one, maybe not. Christians are always saying that we must act morally because that's how to get to Heaven. If you act immorally, you go to Hell. To a Jew, that makes no sense. Jews believe that one must act morally because it's the right thing to do. If you're acting morally simply because you're afraid that if you don't, you will burn in Hell for eternity, that doesn't make you a moral person. It makes you a person acting out of self interest.

Thank you for confirming this, that is what I thought.
- Jewish funeral attendee PP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I believe in God, Jesus , the Holy Spirit , Heaven and Hell.
My personal reasons are spiritual, observational , artifactually and common sense.

1) I believe we have a soul. I think even atheists are a little offended If anybody said their child didn't have a soul.

2) The story of Christ penetrates my soul for some reason. The triumph of love, the balance of justice and the searingly accurate accounting of human weakness does not feel like it originated from human minds. Humans don't like to be humiliated by their character. The way you can't get the story out of your mind or off your hands is unique among any I have witnessed.

3) To me it's obvious their is an intelligent entity that created our existence and physical universe. Matter, time , physical laws, math and love don't just happen from nothing. That is a more unlikely prospect than a Flying Spaghetti Monster. It's obvious that our creation occurred outside the realm of math, time , a sequence of events , and physical laws. That would be a entity beyond our comprehension and capacity.

4) the shroud of Turin is the only man made object on earth that man cannot understand or has any idea how to duplicate. And it is the image of Crucified Christ.


5) there is no downside to belief in Christ. If you are on your deathbed it may be your only hope and it would be absolutely foolish not to grasp the only rescue rope you have. If it's not true you haven't lost anything.

The shroud of Turin carbon dates only to the Middle Ages. It's simply a cloth with the image of a man painted on.

Seriously, you'd have to have make a DNA match with tissue of the Crucified Christ and the shroud. Not even a photograph would do, even if they existed in the first century, because so many people look alike and there are no other photos to compare it to.

That's true. But the shroud has been tested for DNA and there is none.

You mean no DNA, period, right? not no DNA of Christ, because there'd be no way of knowing whose DNA it was, because there was no DNA testing or even knowledge of DNA in the first century.

If even there HAD BEEN DNA on the shroud, it couldn't be identified back to Christ because there is no other DNA from CHrist to match it with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can one be Catholic or Jewish or whatever and still believe in no afterlife?

I'm not Jewish but I've been to a number of Jewish funerals and noticed that there was no discussion of an afterlife.

That's right. Christians keep harping about an afterlife. We Jews don't talk about it. Maybe there is one, maybe not. Christians are always saying that we must act morally because that's how to get to Heaven. If you act immorally, you go to Hell. To a Jew, that makes no sense. Jews believe that one must act morally because it's the right thing to do. If you're acting morally simply because you're afraid that if you don't, you will burn in Hell for eternity, that doesn't make you a moral person. It makes you a person acting out of self interest.

This is not Christianity. In Christianity, God's love for us is so overwhelming and perfect, there is nothing we can do to earn it. You don't go to heaven or hell because of what you DO. It is impossible to do enough to enter the Kingdom of God - God is perfect and we are not. Christ poured out his love for us to the point of death. We are so grateful for that, we naturally try to imitate our Lord (and brother) Christ. Of course we fall short, but we attempt do good in imitation of God.

That may be the focus of some forms of Christianity, but other, more fundamentalist forms, focus on getting saved to make it into heaven

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can one be Catholic or Jewish or whatever and still believe in no afterlife?

I'm not Jewish but I've been to a number of Jewish funerals and noticed that there was no discussion of an afterlife.

That's right. Christians keep harping about an afterlife. We Jews don't talk about it. Maybe there is one, maybe not. Christians are always saying that we must act morally because that's how to get to Heaven. If you act immorally, you go to Hell. To a Jew, that makes no sense. Jews believe that one must act morally because it's the right thing to do. If you're acting morally simply because you're afraid that if you don't, you will burn in Hell for eternity, that doesn't make you a moral person. It makes you a person acting out of self interest.

This is not Christianity. In Christianity, God's love for us is so overwhelming and perfect, there is nothing we can do to earn it. You don't go to heaven or hell because of what you DO. It is impossible to do enough to enter the Kingdom of God - God is perfect and we are not. Christ poured out his love for us to the point of death. We are so grateful for that, we naturally try to imitate our Lord (and brother) Christ. Of course we fall short, but we attempt do good in imitation of God.

That may be the focus of some forms of Christianity, but other, more fundamentalist forms, focus on getting saved to make it into heaven

Actually, not being able to earn your way into heaven is the focus of the New Testament. All traditional, orthodox strands of Christianity would adhere to this belief. "Earning your way into heaven" is heresy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can one be Catholic or Jewish or whatever and still believe in no afterlife?

I'm not Jewish but I've been to a number of Jewish funerals and noticed that there was no discussion of an afterlife.

That's right. Christians keep harping about an afterlife. We Jews don't talk about it. Maybe there is one, maybe not. Christians are always saying that we must act morally because that's how to get to Heaven. If you act immorally, you go to Hell. To a Jew, that makes no sense. Jews believe that one must act morally because it's the right thing to do. If you're acting morally simply because you're afraid that if you don't, you will burn in Hell for eternity, that doesn't make you a moral person. It makes you a person acting out of self interest.

This is not Christianity. In Christianity, God's love for us is so overwhelming and perfect, there is nothing we can do to earn it. You don't go to heaven or hell because of what you DO. It is impossible to do enough to enter the Kingdom of God - God is perfect and we are not. Christ poured out his love for us to the point of death. We are so grateful for that, we naturally try to imitate our Lord (and brother) Christ. Of course we fall short, but we attempt do good in imitation of God.

That may be the focus of some forms of Christianity, but other, more fundamentalist forms, focus on getting saved to make it into heaven

Actually, not being able to earn your way into heaven is the focus of the New Testament. All traditional, orthodox strands of Christianity would adhere to this belief. "Earning your way into heaven" is heresy.

That is one interpretation. Other strands of Christianity do not see it that way. Perhaps that's the reason there are so many denominations. People disagree over something and form a new group of people, ad infinitum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I believe in God, Jesus , the Holy Spirit , Heaven and Hell.
My personal reasons are spiritual, observational , artifactually and common sense.

1) I believe we have a soul. I think even atheists are a little offended If anybody said their child didn't have a soul.

2) The story of Christ penetrates my soul for some reason. The triumph of love, the balance of justice and the searingly accurate accounting of human weakness does not feel like it originated from human minds. Humans don't like to be humiliated by their character. The way you can't get the story out of your mind or off your hands is unique among any I have witnessed.

3) To me it's obvious their is an intelligent entity that created our existence and physical universe. Matter, time , physical laws, math and love don't just happen from nothing. That is a more unlikely prospect than a Flying Spaghetti Monster. It's obvious that our creation occurred outside the realm of math, time , a sequence of events , and physical laws. That would be a entity beyond our comprehension and capacity.

4) the shroud of Turin is the only man made object on earth that man cannot understand or has any idea how to duplicate. And it is the image of Crucified Christ.


5) there is no downside to belief in Christ. If you are on your deathbed it may be your only hope and it would be absolutely foolish not to grasp the only rescue rope you have. If it's not true you haven't lost anything.

The shroud of Turin carbon dates only to the Middle Ages. It's simply a cloth with the image of a man painted on.

Seriously, you'd have to have make a DNA match with tissue of the Crucified Christ and the shroud. Not even a photograph would do, even if they existed in the first century, because so many people look alike and there are no other photos to compare it to.

That's true. But the shroud has been tested for DNA and there is none.

You mean no DNA, period, right? not no DNA of Christ, because there'd be no way of knowing whose DNA it was, because there was no DNA testing or even knowledge of DNA in the first century.

If even there HAD BEEN DNA on the shroud, it couldn't be identified back to Christ because there is no other DNA from CHrist to match it with.

That's right. There is no DNA. Just paint.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can one be Catholic or Jewish or whatever and still believe in no afterlife?

I'm not Jewish but I've been to a number of Jewish funerals and noticed that there was no discussion of an afterlife.

That's right. Christians keep harping about an afterlife. We Jews don't talk about it. Maybe there is one, maybe not. Christians are always saying that we must act morally because that's how to get to Heaven. If you act immorally, you go to Hell. To a Jew, that makes no sense. Jews believe that one must act morally because it's the right thing to do. If you're acting morally simply because you're afraid that if you don't, you will burn in Hell for eternity, that doesn't make you a moral person. It makes you a person acting out of self interest.

What does it mean for something to be the "right" thing to do? How is this derived and by what method do we resolve disputes amongst different people about what is in fact right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can one be Catholic or Jewish or whatever and still believe in no afterlife?

I'm not Jewish but I've been to a number of Jewish funerals and noticed that there was no discussion of an afterlife.

That's right. Christians keep harping about an afterlife. We Jews don't talk about it. Maybe there is one, maybe not. Christians are always saying that we must act morally because that's how to get to Heaven. If you act immorally, you go to Hell. To a Jew, that makes no sense. Jews believe that one must act morally because it's the right thing to do. If you're acting morally simply because you're afraid that if you don't, you will burn in Hell for eternity, that doesn't make you a moral person. It makes you a person acting out of self interest.

What does it mean for something to be the "right" thing to do? How is this derived and by what method do we resolve disputes amongst different people about what is in fact right?

be kind, do no harm, do unto others.... Simple stuff

[Anonymous]

If you are a good person, you go to Heaven. If you are bad, you go to PG County.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a neuroscientist. I can assure you that we know enough about personality, consciousness and memory to know that they are entirely products of the physical brain. no need for a "soul" to explain any of these.

I don't think you understand what everyone else is talking about when they use the term 'soul'. It's not about personality, physical consciousness or memory.