What so you think happens to us when we die?

[Anonymous]

Yes, you probably are the only one who notices, because your interpretation of Christian beliefs is so far off base.

It has nothing to do with "making a deal" with Jesus to "sell your soul for security in the afterlife."

We, all of us, including you, PP, were created by God, a soul made in the image of God. You, like every other human, have fallen away from that, and spend your entire life trying to get back to God - to the feeling of wholeness that comes only from His love. The Way Back to Him is Jesus Christ.

It's not a "deal" that you cut for the afterlife. Following Jesus is literally discovering who you are, why you were made and what your purpose is. It's anything but abusive. The abuse, we do to ourselves.

Read the Christian PP I quoted. She is talking about salvation as a return on investment and a "rescue rope". That's not based on wholeness or love, it's based on fear. She's assuming that she needs to be rescued from the alternative, and the only way to do that is to give her soul to Jesus. If that's no a fear-based transaction, I don't know what is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Enveloped with indescribably love and calm and peacefulness and reunited with loved ones, including pets. Await the second coming after which we'll be judged and reunited with our bodies and live in peace forevermore.

I have a question- my baby died at 23 weeks, after being born. Will he be that way, or will he be older?

my own personal opinion is our spirits are adult. My mom lost a preemie five weeks after birth and her opinion is she'll have the opportunity to raise him in the afterlife but I don't know about that. I think there are a lot of things about life and life after death that we don't know yet.

[Anonymous]

I think our consciousness will continue to exist, just in a different form. I was raised catholic, btw, but I just can't wrap my brain around the fact that once I am gone, nobody will be "me" and experience the world in first person. So I guess I believe in some form of reincarnation. And yes, I recycle ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Enveloped with indescribably love and calm and peacefulness and reunited with loved ones, including pets. Await the second coming after which we'll be judged and reunited with our bodies and live in peace forevermore.

I have a question- my baby died at 23 weeks, after being born. Will he be that way, or will he be older?

my own personal opinion is our spirits are adult. My mom lost a preemie five weeks after birth and her opinion is she'll have the opportunity to raise him in the afterlife but I don't know about that. I think there are a lot of things about life and life after death that we don't know yet.

So the preemie stays a preemie until your mother dies and then gets raised to adulthood in heaven? then what? Will he marry someone in heaven, get a job there and raise a family of his own? I can't think of one religion that teaches something like this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Yes, you probably are the only one who notices, because your interpretation of Christian beliefs is so far off base.

It has nothing to do with "making a deal" with Jesus to "sell your soul for security in the afterlife."

We, all of us, including you, PP, were created by God, a soul made in the image of God. You, like every other human, have fallen away from that, and spend your entire life trying to get back to God - to the feeling of wholeness that comes only from His love. The Way Back to Him is Jesus Christ.

It's not a "deal" that you cut for the afterlife. Following Jesus is literally discovering who you are, why you were made and what your purpose is. It's anything but abusive. The abuse, we do to ourselves.

Read the Christian PP I quoted. She is talking about salvation as a return on investment and a "rescue rope". That's not based on wholeness or love, it's based on fear. She's assuming that she needs to be rescued from the alternative, and the only way to do that is to give her soul to Jesus. If that's no a fear-based transaction, I don't know what is.

Fear and trickery - trying to sneak into heaven as if you believed all along.

[Anonymous]

I am fairly certain that we just die. Fade to black, done.

[Anonymous]

I don't believe in "God" as the Judeo Christian books have written it.

I also think that we haven't come anywhere close to figuring out the nature of our consciousness and "free will" and thoughts and feelings and memories are to make a definitive statement about what happens to "us" after death - whether we are all bags of meat, blood, hormones, nerves and nothing more, or if there is something "else" there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Adding to the post on the prior page..

The existence of dna is a major piece of evidence supporting an intelligent creator. Dna is the only naturally occurring code in the physical world. It is a code similar to music written on a page or a digital computer code that are intelligently designed. Slight changes in the code alter the music, computer program or life-form. The human genome has the equivalent of 3 billion letters and would fill a library with books. Code is a product of intelligence , it is not present anywhere in the universe other than life.

So where did the intelligent creator get the DNA for his own existence? Or if he (or she) doesn't need DNA, what is needed and where did it come from?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

5) there is no downside to belief in Christ. If you are on your deathbed it may be your only hope and it would be absolutely foolish not to grasp the only rescue rope you have. If it's not true you haven't lost anything.

Am I the only one who notices that Christianity is exactly like a deal with the devil?

You're just making a deal with Jesus instead. You're literally "selling your soul" in exchange for security in the afterlife, the mirror of "selling your soul" to "Satan" for security in this life.

If your acceptance of your deity is based on fear of what might happen if you don't, you probably want to rethink whether or not you're in an abusive relationship.

And I'm not an atheist, btw.

Yes, you probably are the only one who notices, because your interpretation of Christian beliefs is so far off base.

It has nothing to do with "making a deal" with Jesus to "sell your soul for security in the afterlife."

We, all of us, including you, PP, were created by God, a soul made in the image of God. You, like every other human, have fallen away from that, and spend your entire life trying to get back to God - to the feeling of wholeness that comes only from His love. The Way Back to Him is Jesus Christ.

It's not a "deal" that you cut for the afterlife. Following Jesus is literally discovering who you are, why you were made and what your purpose is. It's anything but abusive. The abuse, we do to ourselves.

Sure sounds like a deal to me. If you actually believe in Jesus while you’re here on Earth, you get the hefty reward of an eternity in Heaven. Or if you can’t naturally believe in Jesus and God, then you try to believe, or act like you believe, as a way of hedging your bets and still getting into heaven, in case there is a God and his son, Jesus, after all.

And they are not supposed to mind or notice this behavior? Jesus - and his father, who was smart enough to create the world - are supposed to let people into heaven whose faith is not very strong and who try to trick their way in instead?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I believe in God, Jesus , the Holy Spirit , Heaven and Hell.
My personal reasons are spiritual, observational , artifactually and common sense.

1) I believe we have a soul. I think even atheists are a little offended If anybody said their child didn't have a soul.

2) The story of Christ penetrates my soul for some reason. The triumph of love, the balance of justice and the searingly accurate accounting of human weakness does not feel like it originated from human minds. Humans don't like to be humiliated by their character. The way you can't get the story out of your mind or off your hands is unique among any I have witnessed.

3) To me it's obvious their is an intelligent entity that created our existence and physical universe. Matter, time , physical laws, math and love don't just happen from nothing. That is a more unlikely prospect than a Flying Spaghetti Monster. It's obvious that our creation occurred outside the realm of math, time , a sequence of events , and physical laws. That would be a entity beyond our comprehension and capacity.

4) the shroud of Turin is the only man made object on earth that man cannot understand or has any idea how to duplicate. And it is the image of Crucified Christ.

5) there is no downside to belief in Christ. If you are on your deathbed it may be your only hope and it would be absolutely foolish not to grasp the only rescue rope you have. If it's not true you haven't lost anything.

There's also no downside to believing in unicorns, but I'd laugh at any adult who said they did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I believe in God, Jesus , the Holy Spirit , Heaven and Hell.
My personal reasons are spiritual, observational , artifactually and common sense.

1) I believe we have a soul. I think even atheists are a little offended If anybody said their child didn't have a soul.

2) The story of Christ penetrates my soul for some reason. The triumph of love, the balance of justice and the searingly accurate accounting of human weakness does not feel like it originated from human minds. Humans don't like to be humiliated by their character. The way you can't get the story out of your mind or off your hands is unique among any I have witnessed.

3) To me it's obvious their is an intelligent entity that created our existence and physical universe. Matter, time , physical laws, math and love don't just happen from nothing. That is a more unlikely prospect than a Flying Spaghetti Monster. It's obvious that our creation occurred outside the realm of math, time , a sequence of events , and physical laws. That would be a entity beyond our comprehension and capacity.

4) the shroud of Turin is the only man made object on earth that man cannot understand or has any idea how to duplicate. And it is the image of Crucified Christ.

5) there is no downside to belief in Christ. If you are on your deathbed it may be your only hope and it would be absolutely foolish not to grasp the only rescue rope you have. If it's not true you haven't lost anything.

There's also no downside to believing in unicorns, but I'd laugh at any adult who said they did.

If adults who believed in unicorns talked about their beliefs and tried to convince others that they had to believe in order to be saved, they'd be laughed at. Not so with Jesus.

Imagine being urged on your deathbed to try to believe in unicorns because there was no downside - and hey, you might end up in heaven. Only the most gullible, desperate person would believe that. But Jesus - that's another story. No comparison.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I believe in God, Jesus , the Holy Spirit , Heaven and Hell.
My personal reasons are spiritual, observational , artifactually and common sense.

1) I believe we have a soul. I think even atheists are a little offended If anybody said their child didn't have a soul.

2) The story of Christ penetrates my soul for some reason. The triumph of love, the balance of justice and the searingly accurate accounting of human weakness does not feel like it originated from human minds. Humans don't like to be humiliated by their character. The way you can't get the story out of your mind or off your hands is unique among any I have witnessed.

3) To me it's obvious their is an intelligent entity that created our existence and physical universe. Matter, time , physical laws, math and love don't just happen from nothing. That is a more unlikely prospect than a Flying Spaghetti Monster. It's obvious that our creation occurred outside the realm of math, time , a sequence of events , and physical laws. That would be a entity beyond our comprehension and capacity.

4) the shroud of Turin is the only man made object on earth that man cannot understand or has any idea how to duplicate. And it is the image of Crucified Christ.

5) there is no downside to belief in Christ. If you are on your deathbed it may be your only hope and it would be absolutely foolish not to grasp the only rescue rope you have. If it's not true you haven't lost anything.

There's also no downside to believing in unicorns, but I'd laugh at any adult who said they did.

If adults who believed in unicorns talked about their beliefs and tried to convince others that they had to believe in order to be saved, they'd be laughed at. Not so with Jesus.

Imagine being urged on your deathbed to try to believe in unicorns because there was no downside - and hey, you might end up in heaven. Only the most gullible, desperate person would believe that. But Jesus - that's another story. No comparison.

I think the point being made is that "there's no downside to believing" is an extremely weak argument.

[Anonymous]

I'm a neuroscientist. I can assure you that we know enough about personality, consciousness and memory to know that they are entirely products of the physical brain. no need for a "soul" to explain any of these.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I believe in God, Jesus , the Holy Spirit , Heaven and Hell.
My personal reasons are spiritual, observational , artifactually and common sense.

1) I believe we have a soul. I think even atheists are a little offended If anybody said their child didn't have a soul.

2) The story of Christ penetrates my soul for some reason. The triumph of love, the balance of justice and the searingly accurate accounting of human weakness does not feel like it originated from human minds. Humans don't like to be humiliated by their character. The way you can't get the story out of your mind or off your hands is unique among any I have witnessed.

3) To me it's obvious their is an intelligent entity that created our existence and physical universe. Matter, time , physical laws, math and love don't just happen from nothing. That is a more unlikely prospect than a Flying Spaghetti Monster. It's obvious that our creation occurred outside the realm of math, time , a sequence of events , and physical laws. That would be a entity beyond our comprehension and capacity.

4) the shroud of Turin is the only man made object on earth that man cannot understand or has any idea how to duplicate. And it is the image of Crucified Christ.

5) there is no downside to belief in Christ. If you are on your deathbed it may be your only hope and it would be absolutely foolish not to grasp the only rescue rope you have. If it's not true you haven't lost anything.

The shroud of Turin carbon dates only to the Middle Ages. It's simply a cloth with the image of a man painted on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Fade to black

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