Please explain pros of Brexit to me

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only two major politicians to support Brexit outside of the U.K. were Trump (once it was explained to him) and Putin. Putin's reasons were obvious - he wants to weaken the European Union.

Switzerland and Norway did not join the EU. Are they bad too?

Every country needs to make their own choice, but the EU would have been stronger with them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm seeing a lot of correlations between this and our own countries politics: the populist desire to not get involved with other countries and to take severe stands on immigration. I can also see a stark similarity between Boris Johnson and Donald Trump - hell, they even look alike. Could you picture these two at a G8 summit?

Well, with Cameron's resignation, Boris Johnson is highly likely to be at a G8 summit. And if the populist movement that got Great Britain out of the EU and "shocked" the nation's intelligentsia carries into the US in November, Donald Trump will likely be there as well. The high school class presidents may no longer control the world.

Fortunately, we can still stop Trump.

[Anonymous]

As has been reported, this doesn't cut neatly along political lines. Labour has, historically, been skeptical of the common market. But as an overall matter, on social welfare regulations, now, the overall bent of the EU is progressive/left.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
If it passes, Obama will blame the weak economy on brexit, and Donald Trump win is a sure thing in November.

Why would Britain voting to leave the EU cause Americans to vote for Trump?

The anti-immigration side won. Fairly significantly in fact.
This is the side represented by Trump in America. Trump was also for Brexit.
Obama urged them to remain. Obama's side lost.
What this portends for the election in the U.S. is unclear - but I will say that right up to the day of the vote most peopl though "remain" was going to win.

A week ago, Trump didn't even know what Brexit was.

He also landed in Scotland and said the people there were going wild because they were excited to take their country back, not realizing that 62 percent of the people in Scotland voted to stay in the EU. Sure there may have been people excited, but saying Scots were happy to get their country back misses an important point.

So that means that 38% of the Scots who voted wanted to leave the EU. Not a bad base for Trump to play to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only two major politicians to support Brexit outside of the U.K. were Trump (once it was explained to him) and Putin. Putin's reasons were obvious - he wants to weaken the European Union.

Switzerland and Norway did not join the EU. Are they bad too?

No, smart business people who did not want to be weighed down by the weak sister countries like Spain, Portugal, Greece.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only two major politicians to support Brexit outside of the U.K. were Trump (once it was explained to him) and Putin. Putin's reasons were obvious - he wants to weaken the European Union.

Switzerland and Norway did not join the EU. Are they bad too?

No, smart business people who did not want to be weighed down by the weak sister countries like Spain, Portugal, Greece.

Switzerland and Norway as prosperous but not exactly world powers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm seeing a lot of correlations between this and our own countries politics: the populist desire to not get involved with other countries and to take severe stands on immigration. I can also see a stark similarity between Boris Johnson and Donald Trump - hell, they even look alike. Could you picture these two at a G8 summit?

Well, with Cameron's resignation, Boris Johnson is highly likely to be at a G8 summit. And if the populist movement that got Great Britain out of the EU and "shocked" the nation's intelligentsia carries into the US in November, Donald Trump will likely be there as well. The high school class presidents may no longer control the world.

Fortunately, we can still stop Trump.

I'm pretty certain he will lose in a landslide.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:For the record, Trump was just asked if he thinks Boris Johnson should be the next prime minister and replied by asking "Who is Boris? I don't know him."

Did he actually say that? If so, someone should say, "Boris is your doppleganger".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
If it passes, Obama will blame the weak economy on brexit, and Donald Trump win is a sure thing in November.

Why would Britain voting to leave the EU cause Americans to vote for Trump?

The anti-immigration side won. Fairly significantly in fact.
This is the side represented by Trump in America. Trump was also for Brexit.
Obama urged them to remain. Obama's side lost.
What this portends for the election in the U.S. is unclear - but I will say that right up to the day of the vote most peopl though "remain" was going to win.

A week ago, Trump didn't even know what Brexit was.

He also landed in Scotland and said the people there were going wild because they were excited to take their country back, not realizing that 62 percent of the people in Scotland voted to stay in the EU. Sure there may have been people excited, but saying Scots were happy to get their country back misses an important point.

And Scotland is not contemplating a vote to break away from the UK as a result of Brexit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm seeing a lot of correlations between this and our own countries politics: the populist desire to not get involved with other countries and to take severe stands on immigration. I can also see a stark similarity between Boris Johnson and Donald Trump - hell, they even look alike. Could you picture these two at a G8 summit?

Well, with Cameron's resignation, Boris Johnson is highly likely to be at a G8 summit. And if the populist movement that got Great Britain out of the EU and "shocked" the nation's intelligentsia carries into the US in November, Donald Trump will likely be there as well. The high school class presidents may no longer control the world.

Thank you for reinforcing my point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:For the record, Trump was just asked if he thinks Boris Johnson should be the next prime minister and replied by asking "Who is Boris? I don't know him."

Did he actually say that? If so, someone should say, "Boris is your doppleganger".

Connor Gillies (@ConnorGillies)
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Just asked #DonaldTrump if he thinks #BorisJohnson should be the next PM following #Brexit. He told me "Who is Boris? I don't know him" @LBC

[Anonymous]

We are all doomed if Trump wins.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/284467-trump-on-brexit-i-dont-think-anybody-should-listen-to-me


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June 22, 2016, 01:45 pm
Trump on Brexit: 'I don’t think anybody should listen to me'
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Donald Trump may have finally found a topic on which he doesn't think anyone should listen to him.

In a Wednesday interview with Fox Business, Trump said he was unsure he should be weighing in Britain's upcoming vote on whether to leave the European Union.

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“I don’t think anybody should listen to me because I haven’t really focused on it very much,” Trump told Maria Bartiromo.
“My inclination would be to get out, because you know, just go it alone,” he continued. Trump has previously said British voters should choose to leave the EU.

Trump added that the results of the vote "doesn't have any effect on me."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm seeing a lot of correlations between this and our own countries politics: the populist desire to not get involved with other countries and to take severe stands on immigration. I can also see a stark similarity between Boris Johnson and Donald Trump - hell, they even look alike. Could you picture these two at a G8 summit?

Well, with Cameron's resignation, Boris Johnson is highly likely to be at a G8 summit. And if the populist movement that got Great Britain out of the EU and "shocked" the nation's intelligentsia carries into the US in November, Donald Trump will likely be there as well. The high school class presidents may no longer control the world.

Fortunately, we can still stop Trump.

I'm pretty certain he will lose in a landslide.

Not a Trump supporter, but IMHO anyone who says this is completely out of touch with America outside the Beltway (and the other big cities).

You have no idea how popular he is and how much his message resonates with most Americans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
If it passes, Obama will blame the weak economy on brexit, and Donald Trump win is a sure thing in November.

Why would Britain voting to leave the EU cause Americans to vote for Trump?

The anti-immigration side won. Fairly significantly in fact.
This is the side represented by Trump in America. Trump was also for Brexit.
Obama urged them to remain. Obama's side lost.
What this portends for the election in the U.S. is unclear - but I will say that right up to the day of the vote most peopl though "remain" was going to win.

A week ago, Trump didn't even know what Brexit was.

He also landed in Scotland and said the people there were going wild because they were excited to take their country back, not realizing that 62 percent of the people in Scotland voted to stay in the EU. Sure there may have been people excited, but saying Scots were happy to get their country back misses an important point.

And Scotland is not contemplating a vote to break away from the UK as a result of Brexit.

**meant to type "now" instead of "not".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Adding more to my previous post, imagine you are a British widget manufacturer. Right now, your widget meet EU standards and can be sold in the UK and EU. Now, imagine 10 years down the road and widget regulations in Britain have diverged from those in the EU. Now, you either have to manufacture two standards of widgets or give up on one market. My guess is that in many cases the UK will just conform to the EU standard. If so, Brexit will mean an actual loss of sovereignty for the UK as the country will essentially be forced to adopt regulations developed by another entity.

No they will conform to their markets. Over all this will not have much effect on the country in the long run. If there is business interests and money to be made, they will find a way to get it done. UK will get some sort of special partner agreement with the hope that in the long run they will come back to the fold.

Well that's what they're hoping anyway. But the EU is probably rightly worried about other countries jumping ship and may not be so generous towards the UK.

There's a lot of focus on how being part of the EU made it easier for other Europeans, particularly from the Eastern bloc, to immigrate to the UK. Well, it also made it easier for Brits to emigrate or reside in continental Europe. My friend's British parents retired to Spain and they're a bit anxious over what this will mean.