Which would lose their Deal feed first: Shepherd, Bancroft, or Lafayette?

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Anonymous wrote:It would make most sense to shift Janney to Hardy for the following reasons: 1) most kids live along with Wisconsin Avenue corridor so there is existing and plentiful public transportation options to Hardy (all the 30 buses), 2) Hardy would be fully utilized by shifting Janney, 3) there would be no drop in diversity to Deal, as would be the case in moving the other ESs.

By 2020 Janney, Hearst, Lafayette and Murch will also have about the same about of diversity (little) making then all more vulnerable to potentially losing the feed than Bancroft or Shepherd.

Sure, let's increase traffic and have those kids be driven or bused to a school several miles away, rather than going to one they can walk to, all in the name of diversity. Insane.

Hearst to Hardy = 1.8 miles
Hearst to Deal = 1.1 miles

About 7-10 minutes longer on foot.

For Hearst, you may have a point. Not for the others though.

Janney to Hardy: 2.5 miles
Janney to Deal: 0.5 miles

Anyone who thinks that Janney, Murch, and Lafayette should be zoned out of Deal before any EOTP school is crazy.

I think the point is remove EOTP AND another school. You can't remove just the EOTP, you'd still have crowding issues.

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Anonymous wrote:That diversity lawsuit card is a BS red herring, in my view. It's based on the lawsuits from the 1960s and 1970s which dealt with actual disparate treatment among students and schools. None of it said Shepherd Park is required to be zoned forever to Deal Middle. That's just an item one SP poster likes to trot out to threaten a civil rights lawsuit if SP is ever re-zoned away from Deal. It's part of SP's impressive ability to wield political muscle to gain it benefits over other neighborhoods.

If you look at it all of NW has been exercising its political muscle over SW, SE, and NE for the longest. You all are the same.

SP is part of NW. Not sure what you're talking about.

I am grouping SP into the category with the other schools that happen to be in Ward 3. There is a sense of entitlement amongst the parents.

Hear hear!

People who feel entitled to send their kids to someone else's neighborhood are, well, entitled.

What if instead they fixed their own neighborhood schools?

In a city like DC, which has already invested hundreds of millions of dollars in the complete rebuilding/ renovation of a good number of failing schools, that should be the obvious starting point for accusatory whiners like previous PP.

Deal is only in one neighborhood. More than one school in other neighborhoods feed to it. So are you suggesting Hearst, Lafayette, Shepherd, and Bancroft me removed from Deal? You can't have one middle school for every neighborhood.

I'm suggesting that physical proximity from one's residence is the paramount criteria to decide in our neighborhood-based system. Let the chips fall where they may -- much better than the constant politicking and fighting around.

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Anonymous wrote:That diversity lawsuit card is a BS red herring, in my view. It's based on the lawsuits from the 1960s and 1970s which dealt with actual disparate treatment among students and schools. None of it said Shepherd Park is required to be zoned forever to Deal Middle. That's just an item one SP poster likes to trot out to threaten a civil rights lawsuit if SP is ever re-zoned away from Deal. It's part of SP's impressive ability to wield political muscle to gain it benefits over other neighborhoods.

If you look at it all of NW has been exercising its political muscle over SW, SE, and NE for the longest. You all are the same.

SP is part of NW. Not sure what you're talking about.

I am grouping SP into the category with the other schools that happen to be in Ward 3. There is a sense of entitlement amongst the parents.

Hear hear!

People who feel entitled to send their kids to someone else's neighborhood are, well, entitled.

What if instead they fixed their own neighborhood schools?

In a city like DC, which has already invested hundreds of millions of dollars in the complete rebuilding/ renovation of a good number of failing schools, that should be the obvious starting point for accusatory whiners like previous PP.

Deal is only in one neighborhood. More than one school in other neighborhoods feed to it. So are you suggesting Hearst, Lafayette, Shepherd, and Bancroft me removed from Deal? You can't have one middle school for every neighborhood.

I'm suggesting that physical proximity from one's residence is the paramount criteria to decide in our neighborhood-based system. Let the chips fall where they may -- much better than the constant politicking and fighting around.

Amen. How about one MS per Ward?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It would make most sense to shift Janney to Hardy for the following reasons: 1) most kids live along with Wisconsin Avenue corridor so there is existing and plentiful public transportation options to Hardy (all the 30 buses), 2) Hardy would be fully utilized by shifting Janney, 3) there would be no drop in diversity to Deal, as would be the case in moving the other ESs.

By 2020 Janney, Hearst, Lafayette and Murch will also have about the same about of diversity (little) making then all more vulnerable to potentially losing the feed than Bancroft or Shepherd.

Sure, let's increase traffic and have those kids be driven or bused to a school several miles away, rather than going to one they can walk to, all in the name of diversity. Insane.

Hearst to Hardy = 1.8 miles
Hearst to Deal = 1.1 miles

About 7-10 minutes longer on foot.

For Hearst, you may have a point. Not for the others though.

Janney to Hardy: 2.5 miles
Janney to Deal: 0.5 miles

Anyone who thinks that Janney, Murch, and Lafayette should be zoned out of Deal before any EOTP school is crazy.

Never will happen removing Shepherd from Deal. I don't even know why it's brought up. Marion Barry will literally rise from his grave to ensure that never happens.

Fewer and fewer people in the city care about Marion Barry. Wait ten years, and most will not even know who he was.

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Anonymous wrote:That diversity lawsuit card is a BS red herring, in my view. It's based on the lawsuits from the 1960s and 1970s which dealt with actual disparate treatment among students and schools. None of it said Shepherd Park is required to be zoned forever to Deal Middle. That's just an item one SP poster likes to trot out to threaten a civil rights lawsuit if SP is ever re-zoned away from Deal. It's part of SP's impressive ability to wield political muscle to gain it benefits over other neighborhoods.

If you look at it all of NW has been exercising its political muscle over SW, SE, and NE for the longest. You all are the same.

SP is part of NW. Not sure what you're talking about.

I am grouping SP into the category with the other schools that happen to be in Ward 3. There is a sense of entitlement amongst the parents.

Hear hear!

People who feel entitled to send their kids to someone else's neighborhood are, well, entitled.

What if instead they fixed their own neighborhood schools?

In a city like DC, which has already invested hundreds of millions of dollars in the complete rebuilding/ renovation of a good number of failing schools, that should be the obvious starting point for accusatory whiners like previous PP.

Deal is only in one neighborhood. More than one school in other neighborhoods feed to it. So are you suggesting Hearst, Lafayette, Shepherd, and Bancroft me removed from Deal? You can't have one middle school for every neighborhood.

I'm suggesting that physical proximity from one's residence is the paramount criteria to decide in our neighborhood-based system. Let the chips fall where they may -- much better than the constant politicking and fighting around.

Amen. How about one MS per Ward?

From my perspective the Ward borders are irrelevant to this -- it's about the physical proximity to the school.

[Anonymous]

That's the the great white wish/hope. So sad...

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Anonymous wrote:That's the the great white wish/hope. So sad...

Finally, the race baiter!!!

Hello, we were all waiting for you

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Anonymous wrote:That diversity lawsuit card is a BS red herring, in my view. It's based on the lawsuits from the 1960s and 1970s which dealt with actual disparate treatment among students and schools. None of it said Shepherd Park is required to be zoned forever to Deal Middle. That's just an item one SP poster likes to trot out to threaten a civil rights lawsuit if SP is ever re-zoned away from Deal. It's part of SP's impressive ability to wield political muscle to gain it benefits over other neighborhoods.

If you look at it all of NW has been exercising its political muscle over SW, SE, and NE for the longest. You all are the same.

SP is part of NW. Not sure what you're talking about.

I am grouping SP into the category with the other schools that happen to be in Ward 3. There is a sense of entitlement amongst the parents.

Hear hear!

People who feel entitled to send their kids to someone else's neighborhood are, well, entitled.

What if instead they fixed their own neighborhood schools?

In a city like DC, which has already invested hundreds of millions of dollars in the complete rebuilding/ renovation of a good number of failing schools, that should be the obvious starting point for accusatory whiners like previous PP.

Deal is only in one neighborhood. More than one school in other neighborhoods feed to it. So are you suggesting Hearst, Lafayette, Shepherd, and Bancroft me removed from Deal? You can't have one middle school for every neighborhood.

I'm suggesting that physical proximity from one's residence is the paramount criteria to decide in our neighborhood-based system. Let the chips fall where they may -- much better than the constant politicking and fighting around.

Amen. How about one MS per Ward?

From my perspective the Ward borders are irrelevant to this -- it's about the physical proximity to the school.

True, it should be a radius around the school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That diversity lawsuit card is a BS red herring, in my view. It's based on the lawsuits from the 1960s and 1970s which dealt with actual disparate treatment among students and schools. None of it said Shepherd Park is required to be zoned forever to Deal Middle. That's just an item one SP poster likes to trot out to threaten a civil rights lawsuit if SP is ever re-zoned away from Deal. It's part of SP's impressive ability to wield political muscle to gain it benefits over other neighborhoods.

If you look at it all of NW has been exercising its political muscle over SW, SE, and NE for the longest. You all are the same.

SP is part of NW. Not sure what you're talking about.

I am grouping SP into the category with the other schools that happen to be in Ward 3. There is a sense of entitlement amongst the parents.

Hear hear!

People who feel entitled to send their kids to someone else's neighborhood are, well, entitled.

What if instead they fixed their own neighborhood schools?

In a city like DC, which has already invested hundreds of millions of dollars in the complete rebuilding/ renovation of a good number of failing schools, that should be the obvious starting point for accusatory whiners like previous PP.

You can't "fix" a neighborhood school as a parent. The neighborhood has to change and become less poor. Until that happens, people are not willingly going to give up a slot to a school that has already arrived. Even you.

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Anonymous wrote:It would make most sense to shift Janney to Hardy for the following reasons: 1) most kids live along with Wisconsin Avenue corridor so there is existing and plentiful public transportation options to Hardy (all the 30 buses), 2) Hardy would be fully utilized by shifting Janney, 3) there would be no drop in diversity to Deal, as would be the case in moving the other ESs.

By 2020 Janney, Hearst, Lafayette and Murch will also have about the same about of diversity (little) making then all more vulnerable to potentially losing the feed than Bancroft or Shepherd.

Sure, let's increase traffic and have those kids be driven or bused to a school several miles away, rather than going to one they can walk to, all in the name of diversity. Insane.

Hearst to Hardy = 1.8 miles
Hearst to Deal = 1.1 miles

About 7-10 minutes longer on foot.

For Hearst, you may have a point. Not for the others though.

Janney to Hardy: 2.5 miles
Janney to Deal: 0.5 miles

Anyone who thinks that Janney, Murch, and Lafayette should be zoned out of Deal before any EOTP school is crazy.

No, you do not have a point for Hearst, either. 1.8 miles is not reasonable to expect a middle schooler to walk every day. Hearst will not be cut from Deal. Hearst has a much more organized parent representation than Eaton. Look at the renovation and after-school program as examples of the great parent leadership at Hearst.

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Anonymous wrote:It would make most sense to shift Janney to Hardy for the following reasons: 1) most kids live along with Wisconsin Avenue corridor so there is existing and plentiful public transportation options to Hardy (all the 30 buses), 2) Hardy would be fully utilized by shifting Janney, 3) there would be no drop in diversity to Deal, as would be the case in moving the other ESs.

By 2020 Janney, Hearst, Lafayette and Murch will also have about the same about of diversity (little) making then all more vulnerable to potentially losing the feed than Bancroft or Shepherd.

Sure, let's increase traffic and have those kids be driven or bused to a school several miles away, rather than going to one they can walk to, all in the name of diversity. Insane.

Hearst to Hardy = 1.8 miles
Hearst to Deal = 1.1 miles

About 7-10 minutes longer on foot.

For Hearst, you may have a point. Not for the others though.

Janney to Hardy: 2.5 miles
Janney to Deal: 0.5 miles

Anyone who thinks that Janney, Murch, and Lafayette should be zoned out of Deal before any EOTP school is crazy.

No, you do not have a point for Hearst, either. 1.8 miles is not reasonable to expect a middle schooler to walk every day. Hearst will not be cut from Deal. Hearst has a much more organized parent representation than Eaton. Look at the renovation and after-school program as examples of the great parent leadership at Hearst.

PP here, and I agree with you. I would not want Hearst to be cut from Deal. I do think that eventually, all EOTP schools should feed into a MS that is geographically close to them. Hopefully there will be a good one in the not too far future.

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Anonymous wrote:That diversity lawsuit card is a BS red herring, in my view. It's based on the lawsuits from the 1960s and 1970s which dealt with actual disparate treatment among students and schools. None of it said Shepherd Park is required to be zoned forever to Deal Middle. That's just an item one SP poster likes to trot out to threaten a civil rights lawsuit if SP is ever re-zoned away from Deal. It's part of SP's impressive ability to wield political muscle to gain it benefits over other neighborhoods.

If you look at it all of NW has been exercising its political muscle over SW, SE, and NE for the longest. You all are the same.

SP is part of NW. Not sure what you're talking about.

I am grouping SP into the category with the other schools that happen to be in Ward 3. There is a sense of entitlement amongst the parents.

Hear hear!

People who feel entitled to send their kids to someone else's neighborhood are, well, entitled.

What if instead they fixed their own neighborhood schools?

In a city like DC, which has already invested hundreds of millions of dollars in the complete rebuilding/ renovation of a good number of failing schools, that should be the obvious starting point for accusatory whiners like previous PP.

Deal is only in one neighborhood. More than one school in other neighborhoods feed to it. So are you suggesting Hearst, Lafayette, Shepherd, and Bancroft me removed from Deal? You can't have one middle school for every neighborhood.

I'm suggesting that physical proximity from one's residence is the paramount criteria to decide in our neighborhood-based system. Let the chips fall where they may -- much better than the constant politicking and fighting around.

Amen. How about one MS per Ward?

From my perspective the Ward borders are irrelevant to this -- it's about the physical proximity to the school.

True, it should be a radius around the school.

Precisely.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It would make most sense to shift Janney to Hardy for the following reasons: 1) most kids live along with Wisconsin Avenue corridor so there is existing and plentiful public transportation options to Hardy (all the 30 buses), 2) Hardy would be fully utilized by shifting Janney, 3) there would be no drop in diversity to Deal, as would be the case in moving the other ESs.

By 2020 Janney, Hearst, Lafayette and Murch will also have about the same about of diversity (little) making then all more vulnerable to potentially losing the feed than Bancroft or Shepherd.

Sure, let's increase traffic and have those kids be driven or bused to a school several miles away, rather than going to one they can walk to, all in the name of diversity. Insane.

Hearst to Hardy = 1.8 miles
Hearst to Deal = 1.1 miles

About 7-10 minutes longer on foot.

For Hearst, you may have a point. Not for the others though.

Janney to Hardy: 2.5 miles
Janney to Deal: 0.5 miles

Anyone who thinks that Janney, Murch, and Lafayette should be zoned out of Deal before any EOTP school is crazy.

But you are forgetting that the IB kids at Hearst don't live in tents on the school playground. They live in real homes which are located north and east of the actual school. Which puts them equal distance or further away from Hardy than the kids in the southern boundary of Janney.

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Anonymous wrote:It would make most sense to shift Janney to Hardy for the following reasons: 1) most kids live along with Wisconsin Avenue corridor so there is existing and plentiful public transportation options to Hardy (all the 30 buses), 2) Hardy would be fully utilized by shifting Janney, 3) there would be no drop in diversity to Deal, as would be the case in moving the other ESs.

By 2020 Janney, Hearst, Lafayette and Murch will also have about the same about of diversity (little) making then all more vulnerable to potentially losing the feed than Bancroft or Shepherd.

Sure, let's increase traffic and have those kids be driven or bused to a school several miles away, rather than going to one they can walk to, all in the name of diversity. Insane.

Hearst to Hardy = 1.8 miles
Hearst to Deal = 1.1 miles

About 7-10 minutes longer on foot.

For Hearst, you may have a point. Not for the others though.

Janney to Hardy: 2.5 miles
Janney to Deal: 0.5 miles

Anyone who thinks that Janney, Murch, and Lafayette should be zoned out of Deal before any EOTP school is crazy.

But you are forgetting that the IB kids at Hearst don't live in tents on the school playground. They live in real homes which are located north and east of the actual school. Which puts them equal distance or further away from Hardy than the kids in the southern boundary of Janney.

See my response above. I do not think Hearst should be zoned out of Deal.

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Anonymous wrote:Another option would be to get rid of the automatic right of OOB students at feeders to attend Deal.

Sadly, I am starting to come around to this conclusion. I was vehemently opposed to it before...but this does seem like the most viable option.

I agree with this route too. I've been saying it for years.

You've been saying it for years and that's because it will never happen. It is political suicide and to make it happen you've have to grandfather in a generation. So fine, do it but do it now and say it becomes effective several years down the road.

Why do you think it's political suicide to say OOB students do not get automatic feeder rights, and their feeder rights are only if there is excess space at the next school? That just seems logical.

I also can't imagine the OOB population that would lose access is so huge that it would create a political problem. Deal is currently about 120 students over capacity, and IIRC, that's about the OOB population at Deal. So that's 120 unhappy families. I think Wilson might have another 150-200 in that same position. So altogether, we are talking fewer than 350 families - 700 votes if each has two parents voting. Doesn't seem like a political threat of large proportions. But there are lots more in-bounds families at Deal and Wilson who are frustrated by the overcrowding, and still others who opted for private schools to avoid the overcrowding. That seems like a bigger number than the OOB families that might lose feeder rights.

What am I missing?