Affirmative Action and Race Discussions Should Be Moved to Its Own Forum

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That's interesting 17:32. Sounds like you've got a pretty selective hiring process in place.

Yes we do - we also give a short standardized test at the beginning of the process for many potential hires. A lot of money was spent to show that it isn't "racially biased". A lot of non URMs don't do well on the test either - interestingly enough my firm and competitors don't really get the heat that tech firms get when it comes to lack of URMs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's interesting 17:32. Sounds like you've got a pretty selective hiring process in place.

Yes we do - we also give a short standardized test at the beginning of the process for many potential hires. A lot of money was spent to show that it isn't "racially biased". A lot of non URMs don't do well on the test either - interestingly enough my firm and competitors don't really get the heat that tech firms get when it comes to lack of URMs.

So many self-serving anecdotes awash with nothing but confirmation bias, so little evidence that would survive even a modicum of scrutiny.

So, put up or shut up.

Name your firm. Right here, right now. Name your firm. List the mailing address, the names of every member of your hiring review committee, the email addresses of those individuals, and the procedure for applying for a position with your firm.

Prove it. Right here, right now.

I'm black. I have a fancy Ivy League education. (Ten Thousand Men . . . .) I even have a pricey little law degree. (Top 14!) According to you and your ilk, I'm exactly that pesky little Negro who has wrongfully denied every white person on the Atlantic Seaboard the opportunity to do, well, everything. (No wonder I'm so tired! It's hard work wrongfully filling spots in elite colleges, stealing jobs from hardworking white folk, and still have the time to make tip-off because -- woo-hoo! -- we love hoops!)

So, prove it. Right here, right now.

Name your firm, name your competitors, and I'll take your adorable little test.

But, you won't. You'll make excuses. You'll posture. You'll equivocate. You'll do all those things -- and then some -- because you're, quite frankly, not half the man your grandma was.

And, that's giving you the benefit of the doubt. After all, I'm operating under the assumption you're not making this up. Does your little firm exist? Sure. But, are you who you say you are? I'd love to find out.

But, I probably won't.

Because you're probably a fraud. Not half the man your grandma was.

Unless you prove it. Right here, right now. I'm not going to engage in debate. I'm not going to entertain conversation with you. Forget it. Not gonna happen, liebling.

I'm just going to apply for that job. Prove me wrong.

So, put up or shut up.

You've got twenty-four hours. I'm not going to look at this thread for twenty-four hours. I don't want to deal with your nonsense. Nope, nope, nope.

I want you to prove it. One day. Deliver the demanded information.

Or shut up.

[Anonymous]

PP sounds upset.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's interesting 17:32. Sounds like you've got a pretty selective hiring process in place.

Yes we do - we also give a short standardized test at the beginning of the process for many potential hires. A lot of money was spent to show that it isn't "racially biased". A lot of non URMs don't do well on the test either - interestingly enough my firm and competitors don't really get the heat that tech firms get when it comes to lack of URMs.

So many self-serving anecdotes awash with nothing but confirmation bias, so little evidence that would survive even a modicum of scrutiny.

So, put up or shut up.

Name your firm. Right here, right now. Name your firm. List the mailing address, the names of every member of your hiring review committee, the email addresses of those individuals, and the procedure for applying for a position with your firm.

Prove it. Right here, right now.

I'm black. I have a fancy Ivy League education. (Ten Thousand Men . . . .) I even have a pricey little law degree. (Top 14!) According to you and your ilk, I'm exactly that pesky little Negro who has wrongfully denied every white person on the Atlantic Seaboard the opportunity to do, well, everything. (No wonder I'm so tired! It's hard work wrongfully filling spots in elite colleges, stealing jobs from hardworking white folk, and still have the time to make tip-off because -- woo-hoo! -- we love hoops!)

So, prove it. Right here, right now.

Name your firm, name your competitors, and I'll take your adorable little test.

But, you won't. You'll make excuses. You'll posture. You'll equivocate. You'll do all those things -- and then some -- because you're, quite frankly, not half the man your grandma was.

And, that's giving you the benefit of the doubt. After all, I'm operating under the assumption you're not making this up. Does your little firm exist? Sure. But, are you who you say you are? I'd love to find out.

But, I probably won't.

Because you're probably a fraud. Not half the man your grandma was.

Unless you prove it. Right here, right now. I'm not going to engage in debate. I'm not going to entertain conversation with you. Forget it. Not gonna happen, liebling.

I'm just going to apply for that job. Prove me wrong.

So, put up or shut up.

You've got twenty-four hours. I'm not going to look at this thread for twenty-four hours. I don't want to deal with your nonsense. Nope, nope, nope.

I want you to prove it. One day. Deliver the demanded information.

Or shut up.

Says the anonymous poster...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's interesting 17:32. Sounds like you've got a pretty selective hiring process in place.

Yes we do - we also give a short standardized test at the beginning of the process for many potential hires. A lot of money was spent to show that it isn't "racially biased". A lot of non URMs don't do well on the test either - interestingly enough my firm and competitors don't really get the heat that tech firms get when it comes to lack of URMs.

So many self-serving anecdotes awash with nothing but confirmation bias, so little evidence that would survive even a modicum of scrutiny.

So, put up or shut up.

Name your firm. Right here, right now. Name your firm. List the mailing address, the names of every member of your hiring review committee, the email addresses of those individuals, and the procedure for applying for a position with your firm.

Prove it. Right here, right now.

I'm black. I have a fancy Ivy League education. (Ten Thousand Men . . . .) I even have a pricey little law degree. (Top 14!) According to you and your ilk, I'm exactly that pesky little Negro who has wrongfully denied every white person on the Atlantic Seaboard the opportunity to do, well, everything. (No wonder I'm so tired! It's hard work wrongfully filling spots in elite colleges, stealing jobs from hardworking white folk, and still have the time to make tip-off because -- woo-hoo! -- we love hoops!)

So, prove it. Right here, right now.

Name your firm, name your competitors, and I'll take your adorable little test.

But, you won't. You'll make excuses. You'll posture. You'll equivocate. You'll do all those things -- and then some -- because you're, quite frankly, not half the man your grandma was.

And, that's giving you the benefit of the doubt. After all, I'm operating under the assumption you're not making this up. Does your little firm exist? Sure. But, are you who you say you are? I'd love to find out.

But, I probably won't.

Because you're probably a fraud. Not half the man your grandma was.

Unless you prove it. Right here, right now. I'm not going to engage in debate. I'm not going to entertain conversation with you. Forget it. Not gonna happen, liebling.

I'm just going to apply for that job. Prove me wrong.

So, put up or shut up.

You've got twenty-four hours. I'm not going to look at this thread for twenty-four hours. I don't want to deal with your nonsense. Nope, nope, nope.

I want you to prove it. One day. Deliver the demanded information.

Or shut up.

Says the anonymous poster...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's interesting 17:32. Sounds like you've got a pretty selective hiring process in place.

Yes we do - we also give a short standardized test at the beginning of the process for many potential hires. A lot of money was spent to show that it isn't "racially biased". A lot of non URMs don't do well on the test either - interestingly enough my firm and competitors don't really get the heat that tech firms get when it comes to lack of URMs.

So many self-serving anecdotes awash with nothing but confirmation bias, so little evidence that would survive even a modicum of scrutiny.

So, put up or shut up.

Name your firm. Right here, right now. Name your firm. List the mailing address, the names of every member of your hiring review committee, the email addresses of those individuals, and the procedure for applying for a position with your firm.

Prove it. Right here, right now.

I'm black. I have a fancy Ivy League education. (Ten Thousand Men . . . .) I even have a pricey little law degree. (Top 14!) According to you and your ilk, I'm exactly that pesky little Negro who has wrongfully denied every white person on the Atlantic Seaboard the opportunity to do, well, everything. (No wonder I'm so tired! It's hard work wrongfully filling spots in elite colleges, stealing jobs from hardworking white folk, and still have the time to make tip-off because -- woo-hoo! -- we love hoops!)

So, prove it. Right here, right now.

Name your firm, name your competitors, and I'll take your adorable little test.

But, you won't. You'll make excuses. You'll posture. You'll equivocate. You'll do all those things -- and then some -- because you're, quite frankly, not half the man your grandma was.

And, that's giving you the benefit of the doubt. After all, I'm operating under the assumption you're not making this up. Does your little firm exist? Sure. But, are you who you say you are? I'd love to find out.

But, I probably won't.

Because you're probably a fraud. Not half the man your grandma was.

Unless you prove it. Right here, right now. I'm not going to engage in debate. I'm not going to entertain conversation with you. Forget it. Not gonna happen, liebling.

I'm just going to apply for that job. Prove me wrong.

So, put up or shut up.

You've got twenty-four hours. I'm not going to look at this thread for twenty-four hours. I don't want to deal with your nonsense. Nope, nope, nope.

I want you to prove it. One day. Deliver the demanded information.

Or shut up.

You do understand that speaking the truth about some things in this world can have negative repercussions right?

Since you're interested in truth, would you be so kind as to honestly state your SAT/LSAT scores? How do they compare with the average white/Asian student at your Ivy or Law school? If they're comparable then congrats, you earned your way in. Must suck to have everybody question your competence because of affirmative action.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's interesting 17:32. Sounds like you've got a pretty selective hiring process in place.

Yes we do - we also give a short standardized test at the beginning of the process for many potential hires. A lot of money was spent to show that it isn't "racially biased". A lot of non URMs don't do well on the test either - interestingly enough my firm and competitors don't really get the heat that tech firms get when it comes to lack of URMs.

So many self-serving anecdotes awash with nothing but confirmation bias, so little evidence that would survive even a modicum of scrutiny.

So, put up or shut up.

Name your firm. Right here, right now. Name your firm. List the mailing address, the names of every member of your hiring review committee, the email addresses of those individuals, and the procedure for applying for a position with your firm.

Prove it. Right here, right now.

I'm black. I have a fancy Ivy League education. (Ten Thousand Men . . . .) I even have a pricey little law degree. (Top 14!) According to you and your ilk, I'm exactly that pesky little Negro who has wrongfully denied every white person on the Atlantic Seaboard the opportunity to do, well, everything. (No wonder I'm so tired! It's hard work wrongfully filling spots in elite colleges, stealing jobs from hardworking white folk, and still have the time to make tip-off because -- woo-hoo! -- we love hoops!)

So, prove it. Right here, right now.

Name your firm, name your competitors, and I'll take your adorable little test.

But, you won't. You'll make excuses. You'll posture. You'll equivocate. You'll do all those things -- and then some -- because you're, quite frankly, not half the man your grandma was.

And, that's giving you the benefit of the doubt. After all, I'm operating under the assumption you're not making this up. Does your little firm exist? Sure. But, are you who you say you are? I'd love to find out.

But, I probably won't.

Because you're probably a fraud. Not half the man your grandma was.

Unless you prove it. Right here, right now. I'm not going to engage in debate. I'm not going to entertain conversation with you. Forget it. Not gonna happen, liebling.

I'm just going to apply for that job. Prove me wrong.

So, put up or shut up.

You've got twenty-four hours. I'm not going to look at this thread for twenty-four hours. I don't want to deal with your nonsense. Nope, nope, nope.

I want you to prove it. One day. Deliver the demanded information.

Or shut up.

If you really are an ivy grad, you should know my company (or atleast narrow it down to 3) with the info I have provided. We are one of the most desired employers of your UG classmates. That said, if you are an URM t14 grad, why would you want to leave your v20 biglaw job?

[Anonymous]

This kind of reminds me of when Global Warming became Climate Change. After that, anything that happened anywhere could be evidence of Change, and to dispute it was to be a Denier. Now we have White Privilege and confirmation bias. Just by waking up in the morning, you are racist. You don't have to do anything, for or against. Just being white means you are perpetuating the racial injustice. Maybe it's the last gasp of the race hustlers, or maybe it's keep things as they are for another generation. We'll see.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

If you really are an ivy grad, you should know my company (or atleast narrow it down to 3) with the info I have provided. We are one of the most desired employers of your UG classmates. That said, if you are an URM t14 grad, why would you want to leave your v20 biglaw job?

GS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If you really are an ivy grad, you should know my company (or atleast narrow it down to 3) with the info I have provided. We are one of the most desired employers of your UG classmates. That said, if you are an URM t14 grad, why would you want to leave your v20 biglaw job?

GS

No - there are a number of URMs in the middle and back office at GS. Also AFAIK GS doesn't standardize test. Maybe for some prop quant trading groups but no not GS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's interesting 17:32. Sounds like you've got a pretty selective hiring process in place.

Yes we do - we also give a short standardized test at the beginning of the process for many potential hires. A lot of money was spent to show that it isn't "racially biased". A lot of non URMs don't do well on the test either - interestingly enough my firm and competitors don't really get the heat that tech firms get when it comes to lack of URMs.

So many self-serving anecdotes awash with nothing but confirmation bias, so little evidence that would survive even a modicum of scrutiny.

So, put up or shut up.

Name your firm. Right here, right now. Name your firm. List the mailing address, the names of every member of your hiring review committee, the email addresses of those individuals, and the procedure for applying for a position with your firm.

Prove it. Right here, right now.

I'm black. I have a fancy Ivy League education. (Ten Thousand Men . . . .) I even have a pricey little law degree. (Top 14!) According to you and your ilk, I'm exactly that pesky little Negro who has wrongfully denied every white person on the Atlantic Seaboard the opportunity to do, well, everything. (No wonder I'm so tired! It's hard work wrongfully filling spots in elite colleges, stealing jobs from hardworking white folk, and still have the time to make tip-off because -- woo-hoo! -- we love hoops!)

So, prove it. Right here, right now.

Name your firm, name your competitors, and I'll take your adorable little test.

But, you won't. You'll make excuses. You'll posture. You'll equivocate. You'll do all those things -- and then some -- because you're, quite frankly, not half the man your grandma was.

And, that's giving you the benefit of the doubt. After all, I'm operating under the assumption you're not making this up. Does your little firm exist? Sure. But, are you who you say you are? I'd love to find out.

But, I probably won't.

Because you're probably a fraud. Not half the man your grandma was.

Unless you prove it. Right here, right now. I'm not going to engage in debate. I'm not going to entertain conversation with you. Forget it. Not gonna happen, liebling.

I'm just going to apply for that job. Prove me wrong.

So, put up or shut up.

You've got twenty-four hours. I'm not going to look at this thread for twenty-four hours. I don't want to deal with your nonsense. Nope, nope, nope.

I want you to prove it. One day. Deliver the demanded information.

Or shut up.

I love you!!

[Anonymous]

This discussion proves the original point of this thread. I have felt that this college section has been really constructive and a good exchange of ideas. People from all walks of life coming together to help each other in the college process.

I don't have a problem discussing race/affirmative action but frankly the tone of these discussions are very negative, painful and often what some people say is truly scary. On one of the CC threads, race/affirmative action has its own thread. It would be nice if this was the case here.

[Anonymous]

It is pretty clear cut. Many minorities are given opportunities they did not or we're not prepared for. Thus when you seek professional services - do not engage with these people. Also when hiring. Choose the most qualified available.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's interesting 17:32. Sounds like you've got a pretty selective hiring process in place.

Yes we do - we also give a short standardized test at the beginning of the process for many potential hires. A lot of money was spent to show that it isn't "racially biased". A lot of non URMs don't do well on the test either - interestingly enough my firm and competitors don't really get the heat that tech firms get when it comes to lack of URMs.

So many self-serving anecdotes awash with nothing but confirmation bias, so little evidence that would survive even a modicum of scrutiny.

So, put up or shut up.

Name your firm. Right here, right now. Name your firm. List the mailing address, the names of every member of your hiring review committee, the email addresses of those individuals, and the procedure for applying for a position with your firm.

Prove it. Right here, right now.

I'm black. I have a fancy Ivy League education. (Ten Thousand Men . . . .) I even have a pricey little law degree. (Top 14!) According to you and your ilk, I'm exactly that pesky little Negro who has wrongfully denied every white person on the Atlantic Seaboard the opportunity to do, well, everything. (No wonder I'm so tired! It's hard work wrongfully filling spots in elite colleges, stealing jobs from hardworking white folk, and still have the time to make tip-off because -- woo-hoo! -- we love hoops!)

So, prove it. Right here, right now.

Name your firm, name your competitors, and I'll take your adorable little test.

But, you won't. You'll make excuses. You'll posture. You'll equivocate. You'll do all those things -- and then some -- because you're, quite frankly, not half the man your grandma was.

And, that's giving you the benefit of the doubt. After all, I'm operating under the assumption you're not making this up. Does your little firm exist? Sure. But, are you who you say you are? I'd love to find out.

But, I probably won't.

Because you're probably a fraud. Not half the man your grandma was.

Unless you prove it. Right here, right now. I'm not going to engage in debate. I'm not going to entertain conversation with you. Forget it. Not gonna happen, liebling.

I'm just going to apply for that job. Prove me wrong.

So, put up or shut up.

You've got twenty-four hours. I'm not going to look at this thread for twenty-four hours. I don't want to deal with your nonsense. Nope, nope, nope.

I want you to prove it. One day. Deliver the demanded information.

Or shut up.

I think you are over-reacting. First PP said a lot of non-URMs don't do well on the test either. It's not like she was picking on URMs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is pretty clear cut. Many minorities are given opportunities they did not or we're not prepared for. Thus when you seek professional services - do not engage with these people. Also when hiring. Choose the most qualified available.

Your statement also applies to non-minorities.
BTW do you know the difference between we're and were?