We used to count black Americans as 3/5 of a person. For Reparations give them 5/3 of the vote.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just curious..... Isn’t affirmative action a form of reparations??

Should have been, but White women and Gay white males have benefited from that the most

Really? My white daughter was shut out of almost every college she applied to (as were so, SO many other white girls I spoke to), despite their stellar grades, test scores, extra-curriculars, etc. If white women are beneficiaries, tell it to these shell-shocked kids!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I get it AA have been picked on for hundreds & hundreds of years but it is kind of human nature to take from people. People pick on the weakest link and at some point the people/person getting picked on has to man up or it will never stop. This is fundamental in every stage, level and age in life and Black people's inability to unify or defend them selves is ultimately to blame. While disenfranchised portions of the white community have the benefit of being able to blend back into the population where as black will always stand out that doesn't really quantify why blacks have been the worlds punching bag for thousands of years.

Yes this county was built on black treasure but so was most of Europe and Asia and it hasn't stopped as China is milking Africa now of it resources. Is the rest of the world just a big bully or is Africa and it's people just easy targets?

Good question. Remember who the slave sellers were.

And just how was the NATION...assuming your meant country not county, built on black treasure? They made a few southerners rich for a while and cotton was, for time, a big export for the US. But how was the nation built by slaves?

Man you are clueless and this coming from a middle age white guy. Picking on black people has made just about every white person esp the rich ones money at some point. Every Farmer who used share croppers and then supplied cheap products to buy, every white person who family bought a houses in the 30s-70s when the country was subsidized to fill out the suburbs where black people couldn't buy. Then when those houses built fair market equity and those people sent their kids to college while black people were basically herded into public housing. How many small towns are kept afloat by prisons or over sized police departments who then crack down on minority communities to justify more police? How many crooked bankers who make extra profit off the backs of a population who has bad credit because they have no education or property (because they couldn't until recently) and get worse loan and interests rates because nobody cared to put in regulations to protect them. Have many mortgage brokers sold subprime loans in minority areas just recently even when they could have qualified for normal loans? Also look at the military currently that exploits the poorer areas of the country to support the all volunteer force. And those are just off the top, there are bigger and smaller examples everywhere.

Your response sums up white privilege to a T, by thinking you aren't privileged at all while gaining every multi-generation benefit bestowed to a group by the same group possible. While I think it is a powerful question to ask white people if they are honestly ok with having a system gives them a head start but allows them to coverup and pretend it is all merit based. Adding up all the little effects such as selling one group houses 65 years ago cheap and letting them gain the rewards has benefited multiple generations of white America but those white kids just think their grandparents worked harder than the families with no wealth built up. Your parents had pensions, theirs didn't because no one would give them those jobs. Yours went to "good schools" and took tests developed for them, theirs entered the work force only if they were able to keep their nose clean and then never went 1/2 far with twice as much work.

People can find exceptions but this is the reality for most.
s


Do you really think that

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I get it AA have been picked on for hundreds & hundreds of years but it is kind of human nature to take from people. People pick on the weakest link and at some point the people/person getting picked on has to man up or it will never stop. This is fundamental in every stage, level and age in life and Black people's inability to unify or defend them selves is ultimately to blame. While disenfranchised portions of the white community have the benefit of being able to blend back into the population where as black will always stand out that doesn't really quantify why blacks have been the worlds punching bag for thousands of years.

Yes this county was built on black treasure but so was most of Europe and Asia and it hasn't stopped as China is milking Africa now of it resources. Is the rest of the world just a big bully or is Africa and it's people just easy targets?

Good question. Remember who the slave sellers were.

And just how was the NATION...assuming your meant country not county, built on black treasure? They made a few southerners rich for a while and cotton was, for time, a big export for the US. But how was the nation built by slaves?

Man you are clueless and this coming from a middle age white guy. Picking on black people has made just about every white person esp the rich ones money at some point. Every Farmer who used share croppers and then supplied cheap products to buy, every white person who family bought a houses in the 30s-70s when the country was subsidized to fill out the suburbs where black people couldn't buy. Then when those houses built fair market equity and those people sent their kids to college while black people were basically herded into public housing. How many small towns are kept afloat by prisons or over sized police departments who then crack down on minority communities to justify more police? How many crooked bankers who make extra profit off the backs of a population who has bad credit because they have no education or property (because they couldn't until recently) and get worse loan and interests rates because nobody cared to put in regulations to protect them. Have many mortgage brokers sold subprime loans in minority areas just recently even when they could have qualified for normal loans? Also look at the military currently that exploits the poorer areas of the country to support the all volunteer force. And those are just off the top, there are bigger and smaller examples everywhere.

Your response sums up white privilege to a T, by thinking you aren't privileged at all while gaining every multi-generation benefit bestowed to a group by the same group possible. While I think it is a powerful question to ask white people if they are honestly ok with having a system gives them a head start but allows them to coverup and pretend it is all merit based. Adding up all the little effects such as selling one group houses 65 years ago cheap and letting them gain the rewards has benefited multiple generations of white America but those white kids just think their grandparents worked harder than the families with no wealth built up. Your parents had pensions, theirs didn't because no one would give them those jobs. Yours went to "good schools" and took tests developed for them, theirs entered the work force only if they were able to keep their nose clean and then never went 1/2 far with twice as much work.

People can find exceptions but this is the reality for most.
s


Do you really think that

Most of that was the case decades ago, but it's not today, and virtually nobody I know today is making money at the expense of black people. Prisons may be making money by incarcerating black people, but who's paying for those prisons? Taxpayers. That's money from my pocket and your pocket. We are subsidizing those prisons, we are the ones paying for them. How about those police departments? Do you really think they are making oodles of cash by preying on low-income blacks? You can't get blood from a stone. The poor don't have anything to give. Again, it's more often the taxpayers who are subsidizing that police force. As for those mortgages - you should check some of the testimony that came before Congress on the housing crisis - a substantial number of the failed mortgages were actually second and third homes owned by upper middle class families who were hoping to make a fast buck off of the housing bubble by flipping homes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just curious..... Isn’t affirmative action a form of reparations??

Should have been, but White women and Gay white males have benefited from that the most

Really? My white daughter was shut out of almost every college she applied to (as were so, SO many other white girls I spoke to), despite their stellar grades, test scores, extra-curriculars, etc. If white women are beneficiaries, tell it to these shell-shocked kids!

15 years ago I would've said ok the kids have a right to be shellshocked.

But there's too much info out there since about 2005 on how the game works. Did your white daughter grind away at a sport and get good enough to be recruited? That's the best hook (that's under your control - i.e. legacy and development hooks are not under your control) to have (along with good grades).

A recruitd athlete that scores in the 50th percentile of a particular school's profile is going to get in. I know lots of white girls that got in over the last 5 years into top schools. Most were recruited athletes.

I think lots of people overrate their 'stellar' extra-curriculars.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I get it AA have been picked on for hundreds & hundreds of years but it is kind of human nature to take from people. People pick on the weakest link and at some point the people/person getting picked on has to man up or it will never stop. This is fundamental in every stage, level and age in life and Black people's inability to unify or defend them selves is ultimately to blame. While disenfranchised portions of the white community have the benefit of being able to blend back into the population where as black will always stand out that doesn't really quantify why blacks have been the worlds punching bag for thousands of years.

Yes this county was built on black treasure but so was most of Europe and Asia and it hasn't stopped as China is milking Africa now of it resources. Is the rest of the world just a big bully or is Africa and it's people just easy targets?

Good question. Remember who the slave sellers were.

And just how was the NATION...assuming your meant country not county, built on black treasure? They made a few southerners rich for a while and cotton was, for time, a big export for the US. But how was the nation built by slaves?

Man you are clueless and this coming from a middle age white guy. Picking on black people has made just about every white person esp the rich ones money at some point. Every Farmer who used share croppers and then supplied cheap products to buy, every white person who family bought a houses in the 30s-70s when the country was subsidized to fill out the suburbs where black people couldn't buy. Then when those houses built fair market equity and those people sent their kids to college while black people were basically herded into public housing. How many small towns are kept afloat by prisons or over sized police departments who then crack down on minority communities to justify more police? How many crooked bankers who make extra profit off the backs of a population who has bad credit because they have no education or property (because they couldn't until recently) and get worse loan and interests rates because nobody cared to put in regulations to protect them. Have many mortgage brokers sold subprime loans in minority areas just recently even when they could have qualified for normal loans? Also look at the military currently that exploits the poorer areas of the country to support the all volunteer force. And those are just off the top, there are bigger and smaller examples everywhere.

Your response sums up white privilege to a T, by thinking you aren't privileged at all while gaining every multi-generation benefit bestowed to a group by the same group possible. While I think it is a powerful question to ask white people if they are honestly ok with having a system gives them a head start but allows them to coverup and pretend it is all merit based. Adding up all the little effects such as selling one group houses 65 years ago cheap and letting them gain the rewards has benefited multiple generations of white America but those white kids just think their grandparents worked harder than the families with no wealth built up. Your parents had pensions, theirs didn't because no one would give them those jobs. Yours went to "good schools" and took tests developed for them, theirs entered the work force only if they were able to keep their nose clean and then never went 1/2 far with twice as much work.

People can find exceptions but this is the reality for most.
s


Do you really think that

Oh, it's you. Well, guess I made your day with that question. Enjoy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I get it AA have been picked on for hundreds & hundreds of years but it is kind of human nature to take from people. People pick on the weakest link and at some point the people/person getting picked on has to man up or it will never stop. This is fundamental in every stage, level and age in life and Black people's inability to unify or defend them selves is ultimately to blame. While disenfranchised portions of the white community have the benefit of being able to blend back into the population where as black will always stand out that doesn't really quantify why blacks have been the worlds punching bag for thousands of years.

Yes this county was built on black treasure but so was most of Europe and Asia and it hasn't stopped as China is milking Africa now of it resources. Is the rest of the world just a big bully or is Africa and it's people just easy targets?

Good question. Remember who the slave sellers were.

And just how was the NATION...assuming your meant country not county, built on black treasure? They made a few southerners rich for a while and cotton was, for time, a big export for the US. But how was the nation built by slaves?

Man you are clueless and this coming from a middle age white guy. Picking on black people has made just about every white person esp the rich ones money at some point. Every Farmer who used share croppers and then supplied cheap products to buy, every white person who family bought a houses in the 30s-70s when the country was subsidized to fill out the suburbs where black people couldn't buy. Then when those houses built fair market equity and those people sent their kids to college while black people were basically herded into public housing. How many small towns are kept afloat by prisons or over sized police departments who then crack down on minority communities to justify more police? How many crooked bankers who make extra profit off the backs of a population who has bad credit because they have no education or property (because they couldn't until recently) and get worse loan and interests rates because nobody cared to put in regulations to protect them. Have many mortgage brokers sold subprime loans in minority areas just recently even when they could have qualified for normal loans? Also look at the military currently that exploits the poorer areas of the country to support the all volunteer force. And those are just off the top, there are bigger and smaller examples everywhere.

Your response sums up white privilege to a T, by thinking you aren't privileged at all while gaining every multi-generation benefit bestowed to a group by the same group possible. While I think it is a powerful question to ask white people if they are honestly ok with having a system gives them a head start but allows them to coverup and pretend it is all merit based. Adding up all the little effects such as selling one group houses 65 years ago cheap and letting them gain the rewards has benefited multiple generations of white America but those white kids just think their grandparents worked harder than the families with no wealth built up. Your parents had pensions, theirs didn't because no one would give them those jobs. Yours went to "good schools" and took tests developed for them, theirs entered the work force only if they were able to keep their nose clean and then never went 1/2 far with twice as much work.

People can find exceptions but this is the reality for most.
s


Do you really think that

Most of that was the case decades ago, but it's not today, and virtually nobody I know today is making money at the expense of black people. Prisons may be making money by incarcerating black people, but who's paying for those prisons? Taxpayers. That's money from my pocket and your pocket. We are subsidizing those prisons, we are the ones paying for them. How about those police departments? Do you really think they are making oodles of cash by preying on low-income blacks? You can't get blood from a stone. The poor don't have anything to give. Again, it's more often the taxpayers who are subsidizing that police force. As for those mortgages - you should check some of the testimony that came before Congress on the housing crisis - a substantial number of the failed mortgages were actually second and third homes owned by upper middle class families who were hoping to make a fast buck off of the housing bubble by flipping homes.

While being oblivious to the injustices transpiring today is one thing the rest of your argument that it happened "decades ago" is like a post race interview of the race winner discounting the head start they received as happening at the beginning of the race and not relevant to the outcome because of all the stuff that happened after the advantage was given.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I get it AA have been picked on for hundreds & hundreds of years but it is kind of human nature to take from people. People pick on the weakest link and at some point the people/person getting picked on has to man up or it will never stop. This is fundamental in every stage, level and age in life and Black people's inability to unify or defend them selves is ultimately to blame. While disenfranchised portions of the white community have the benefit of being able to blend back into the population where as black will always stand out that doesn't really quantify why blacks have been the worlds punching bag for thousands of years.

Yes this county was built on black treasure but so was most of Europe and Asia and it hasn't stopped as China is milking Africa now of it resources. Is the rest of the world just a big bully or is Africa and it's people just easy targets?

Good question. Remember who the slave sellers were.

And just how was the NATION...assuming your meant country not county, built on black treasure? They made a few southerners rich for a while and cotton was, for time, a big export for the US. But how was the nation built by slaves?

Man you are clueless and this coming from a middle age white guy. Picking on black people has made just about every white person esp the rich ones money at some point. Every Farmer who used share croppers and then supplied cheap products to buy, every white person who family bought a houses in the 30s-70s when the country was subsidized to fill out the suburbs where black people couldn't buy. Then when those houses built fair market equity and those people sent their kids to college while black people were basically herded into public housing. How many small towns are kept afloat by prisons or over sized police departments who then crack down on minority communities to justify more police? How many crooked bankers who make extra profit off the backs of a population who has bad credit because they have no education or property (because they couldn't until recently) and get worse loan and interests rates because nobody cared to put in regulations to protect them. Have many mortgage brokers sold subprime loans in minority areas just recently even when they could have qualified for normal loans? Also look at the military currently that exploits the poorer areas of the country to support the all volunteer force. And those are just off the top, there are bigger and smaller examples everywhere.

Your response sums up white privilege to a T, by thinking you aren't privileged at all while gaining every multi-generation benefit bestowed to a group by the same group possible. While I think it is a powerful question to ask white people if they are honestly ok with having a system gives them a head start but allows them to coverup and pretend it is all merit based. Adding up all the little effects such as selling one group houses 65 years ago cheap and letting them gain the rewards has benefited multiple generations of white America but those white kids just think their grandparents worked harder than the families with no wealth built up. Your parents had pensions, theirs didn't because no one would give them those jobs. Yours went to "good schools" and took tests developed for them, theirs entered the work force only if they were able to keep their nose clean and then never went 1/2 far with twice as much work.

People can find exceptions but this is the reality for most.
s


Do you really think that

Most of that was the case decades ago, but it's not today, and virtually nobody I know today is making money at the expense of black people. Prisons may be making money by incarcerating black people, but who's paying for those prisons? Taxpayers. That's money from my pocket and your pocket. We are subsidizing those prisons, we are the ones paying for them. How about those police departments? Do you really think they are making oodles of cash by preying on low-income blacks? You can't get blood from a stone. The poor don't have anything to give. Again, it's more often the taxpayers who are subsidizing that police force. As for those mortgages - you should check some of the testimony that came before Congress on the housing crisis - a substantial number of the failed mortgages were actually second and third homes owned by upper middle class families who were hoping to make a fast buck off of the housing bubble by flipping homes.

While being oblivious to the injustices transpiring today is one thing the rest of your argument that it happened "decades ago" is like a post race interview of the race winner discounting the head start they received as happening at the beginning of the race and not relevant to the outcome because of all the stuff that happened after the advantage was given.

Outside of the ultra-wealthy, the rest of us weren't given any kind of "head start." But, where some AAs tripped up at the starting gate due to poor parenting and poor life choices? Absolutely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I get it AA have been picked on for hundreds & hundreds of years but it is kind of human nature to take from people. People pick on the weakest link and at some point the people/person getting picked on has to man up or it will never stop. This is fundamental in every stage, level and age in life and Black people's inability to unify or defend them selves is ultimately to blame. While disenfranchised portions of the white community have the benefit of being able to blend back into the population where as black will always stand out that doesn't really quantify why blacks have been the worlds punching bag for thousands of years.

Yes this county was built on black treasure but so was most of Europe and Asia and it hasn't stopped as China is milking Africa now of it resources. Is the rest of the world just a big bully or is Africa and it's people just easy targets?

Good question. Remember who the slave sellers were.

And just how was the NATION...assuming your meant country not county, built on black treasure? They made a few southerners rich for a while and cotton was, for time, a big export for the US. But how was the nation built by slaves?

Man you are clueless and this coming from a middle age white guy. Picking on black people has made just about every white person esp the rich ones money at some point. Every Farmer who used share croppers and then supplied cheap products to buy, every white person who family bought a houses in the 30s-70s when the country was subsidized to fill out the suburbs where black people couldn't buy. Then when those houses built fair market equity and those people sent their kids to college while black people were basically herded into public housing. How many small towns are kept afloat by prisons or over sized police departments who then crack down on minority communities to justify more police? How many crooked bankers who make extra profit off the backs of a population who has bad credit because they have no education or property (because they couldn't until recently) and get worse loan and interests rates because nobody cared to put in regulations to protect them. Have many mortgage brokers sold subprime loans in minority areas just recently even when they could have qualified for normal loans? Also look at the military currently that exploits the poorer areas of the country to support the all volunteer force. And those are just off the top, there are bigger and smaller examples everywhere.

Your response sums up white privilege to a T, by thinking you aren't privileged at all while gaining every multi-generation benefit bestowed to a group by the same group possible. While I think it is a powerful question to ask white people if they are honestly ok with having a system gives them a head start but allows them to coverup and pretend it is all merit based. Adding up all the little effects such as selling one group houses 65 years ago cheap and letting them gain the rewards has benefited multiple generations of white America but those white kids just think their grandparents worked harder than the families with no wealth built up. Your parents had pensions, theirs didn't because no one would give them those jobs. Yours went to "good schools" and took tests developed for them, theirs entered the work force only if they were able to keep their nose clean and then never went 1/2 far with twice as much work.

People can find exceptions but this is the reality for most.
s


Do you really think that

Most of that was the case decades ago, but it's not today, and virtually nobody I know today is making money at the expense of black people. Prisons may be making money by incarcerating black people, but who's paying for those prisons? Taxpayers. That's money from my pocket and your pocket. We are subsidizing those prisons, we are the ones paying for them. How about those police departments? Do you really think they are making oodles of cash by preying on low-income blacks? You can't get blood from a stone. The poor don't have anything to give. Again, it's more often the taxpayers who are subsidizing that police force. As for those mortgages - you should check some of the testimony that came before Congress on the housing crisis - a substantial number of the failed mortgages were actually second and third homes owned by upper middle class families who were hoping to make a fast buck off of the housing bubble by flipping homes.

While being oblivious to the injustices transpiring today is one thing the rest of your argument that it happened "decades ago" is like a post race interview of the race winner discounting the head start they received as happening at the beginning of the race and not relevant to the outcome because of all the stuff that happened after the advantage was given.

Outside of the ultra-wealthy, the rest of us weren't given any kind of "head start." But, where some AAs tripped up at the starting gate due to poor parenting and poor life choices? Absolutely.

It is hard to parent out of abject poverty which is institutionalized. That said I get that and agree at the end of the day you have to play the hand you are delt and there is always the option of making the dealer deal again.... If you are up for making them. But acknowledging that they have no one to ultimately blame but themselves like all people for their station in life doesn't preclude acknowledging that everybody else takes advantage of the situation every chance they get. Even the white people who fought for Civil rights still enjoyed the benefits of segregation 99% while growing up and competing for jobs and what not. Not complicit but just don't pertend it isn't happening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I get it AA have been picked on for hundreds & hundreds of years but it is kind of human nature to take from people. People pick on the weakest link and at some point the people/person getting picked on has to man up or it will never stop. This is fundamental in every stage, level and age in life and Black people's inability to unify or defend them selves is ultimately to blame. While disenfranchised portions of the white community have the benefit of being able to blend back into the population where as black will always stand out that doesn't really quantify why blacks have been the worlds punching bag for thousands of years.

Yes this county was built on black treasure but so was most of Europe and Asia and it hasn't stopped as China is milking Africa now of it resources. Is the rest of the world just a big bully or is Africa and it's people just easy targets?

Good question. Remember who the slave sellers were.

And just how was the NATION...assuming your meant country not county, built on black treasure? They made a few southerners rich for a while and cotton was, for time, a big export for the US. But how was the nation built by slaves?

Man you are clueless and this coming from a middle age white guy. Picking on black people has made just about every white person esp the rich ones money at some point. Every Farmer who used share croppers and then supplied cheap products to buy, every white person who family bought a houses in the 30s-70s when the country was subsidized to fill out the suburbs where black people couldn't buy. Then when those houses built fair market equity and those people sent their kids to college while black people were basically herded into public housing. How many small towns are kept afloat by prisons or over sized police departments who then crack down on minority communities to justify more police? How many crooked bankers who make extra profit off the backs of a population who has bad credit because they have no education or property (because they couldn't until recently) and get worse loan and interests rates because nobody cared to put in regulations to protect them. Have many mortgage brokers sold subprime loans in minority areas just recently even when they could have qualified for normal loans? Also look at the military currently that exploits the poorer areas of the country to support the all volunteer force. And those are just off the top, there are bigger and smaller examples everywhere.

Your response sums up white privilege to a T, by thinking you aren't privileged at all while gaining every multi-generation benefit bestowed to a group by the same group possible. While I think it is a powerful question to ask white people if they are honestly ok with having a system gives them a head start but allows them to coverup and pretend it is all merit based. Adding up all the little effects such as selling one group houses 65 years ago cheap and letting them gain the rewards has benefited multiple generations of white America but those white kids just think their grandparents worked harder than the families with no wealth built up. Your parents had pensions, theirs didn't because no one would give them those jobs. Yours went to "good schools" and took tests developed for them, theirs entered the work force only if they were able to keep their nose clean and then never went 1/2 far with twice as much work.

People can find exceptions but this is the reality for most.
s


Do you really think that

Most of that was the case decades ago, but it's not today, and virtually nobody I know today is making money at the expense of black people. Prisons may be making money by incarcerating black people, but who's paying for those prisons? Taxpayers. That's money from my pocket and your pocket. We are subsidizing those prisons, we are the ones paying for them. How about those police departments? Do you really think they are making oodles of cash by preying on low-income blacks? You can't get blood from a stone. The poor don't have anything to give. Again, it's more often the taxpayers who are subsidizing that police force. As for those mortgages - you should check some of the testimony that came before Congress on the housing crisis - a substantial number of the failed mortgages were actually second and third homes owned by upper middle class families who were hoping to make a fast buck off of the housing bubble by flipping homes.

While being oblivious to the injustices transpiring today is one thing the rest of your argument that it happened "decades ago" is like a post race interview of the race winner discounting the head start they received as happening at the beginning of the race and not relevant to the outcome because of all the stuff that happened after the advantage was given.

Outside of the ultra-wealthy, the rest of us weren't given any kind of "head start." But, where some AAs tripped up at the starting gate due to poor parenting and poor life choices? Absolutely.

It is hard to parent out of abject poverty which is institutionalized. That said I get that and agree at the end of the day you have to play the hand you are delt and there is always the option of making the dealer deal again.... If you are up for making them. But acknowledging that they have no one to ultimately blame but themselves like all people for their station in life doesn't preclude acknowledging that everybody else takes advantage of the situation every chance they get. Even the white people who fought for Civil rights still enjoyed the benefits of segregation 99% while growing up and competing for jobs and what not. Not complicit but just don't pertend it isn't happening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I get it AA have been picked on for hundreds & hundreds of years but it is kind of human nature to take from people. People pick on the weakest link and at some point the people/person getting picked on has to man up or it will never stop. This is fundamental in every stage, level and age in life and Black people's inability to unify or defend them selves is ultimately to blame. While disenfranchised portions of the white community have the benefit of being able to blend back into the population where as black will always stand out that doesn't really quantify why blacks have been the worlds punching bag for thousands of years.

Yes this county was built on black treasure but so was most of Europe and Asia and it hasn't stopped as China is milking Africa now of it resources. Is the rest of the world just a big bully or is Africa and it's people just easy targets?

Good question. Remember who the slave sellers were.

And just how was the NATION...assuming your meant country not county, built on black treasure? They made a few southerners rich for a while and cotton was, for time, a big export for the US. But how was the nation built by slaves?

Man you are clueless and this coming from a middle age white guy. Picking on black people has made just about every white person esp the rich ones money at some point. Every Farmer who used share croppers and then supplied cheap products to buy, every white person who family bought a houses in the 30s-70s when the country was subsidized to fill out the suburbs where black people couldn't buy. Then when those houses built fair market equity and those people sent their kids to college while black people were basically herded into public housing. How many small towns are kept afloat by prisons or over sized police departments who then crack down on minority communities to justify more police? How many crooked bankers who make extra profit off the backs of a population who has bad credit because they have no education or property (because they couldn't until recently) and get worse loan and interests rates because nobody cared to put in regulations to protect them. Have many mortgage brokers sold subprime loans in minority areas just recently even when they could have qualified for normal loans? Also look at the military currently that exploits the poorer areas of the country to support the all volunteer force. And those are just off the top, there are bigger and smaller examples everywhere.

Your response sums up white privilege to a T, by thinking you aren't privileged at all while gaining every multi-generation benefit bestowed to a group by the same group possible. While I think it is a powerful question to ask white people if they are honestly ok with having a system gives them a head start but allows them to coverup and pretend it is all merit based. Adding up all the little effects such as selling one group houses 65 years ago cheap and letting them gain the rewards has benefited multiple generations of white America but those white kids just think their grandparents worked harder than the families with no wealth built up. Your parents had pensions, theirs didn't because no one would give them those jobs. Yours went to "good schools" and took tests developed for them, theirs entered the work force only if they were able to keep their nose clean and then never went 1/2 far with twice as much work.

People can find exceptions but this is the reality for most.
s


Do you really think that

You almost had me there except for the fact that Asians and other immigrants over come all of that on the first generation. Next argument please.

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious..... Isn’t affirmative action a form of reparations??

Should have been, but White women and Gay white males have benefited from that the most

Really? My white daughter was shut out of almost every college she applied to (as were so, SO many other white girls I spoke to), despite their stellar grades, test scores, extra-curriculars, etc. If white women are beneficiaries, tell it to these shell-shocked kids!

The plural of anecdote is not data. Also how funny that you assume your daughter and her friends not getting into college is about other people and not about her just not making the cut. No pit has to be the fault of affirm action. Sometimes you can do all the right things and shit doesn't work out for you. Such is life. I am pretty sure your white daughter and all her friends will land safely and have the lives they want.

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Anonymous wrote:I get it AA have been picked on for hundreds & hundreds of years but it is kind of human nature to take from people. People pick on the weakest link and at some point the people/person getting picked on has to man up or it will never stop. This is fundamental in every stage, level and age in life and Black people's inability to unify or defend them selves is ultimately to blame. While disenfranchised portions of the white community have the benefit of being able to blend back into the population where as black will always stand out that doesn't really quantify why blacks have been the worlds punching bag for thousands of years.

Yes this county was built on black treasure but so was most of Europe and Asia and it hasn't stopped as China is milking Africa now of it resources. Is the rest of the world just a big bully or is Africa and it's people just easy targets?

Good question. Remember who the slave sellers were.

And just how was the NATION...assuming your meant country not county, built on black treasure? They made a few southerners rich for a while and cotton was, for time, a big export for the US. But how was the nation built by slaves?

Man you are clueless and this coming from a middle age white guy. Picking on black people has made just about every white person esp the rich ones money at some point. Every Farmer who used share croppers and then supplied cheap products to buy, every white person who family bought a houses in the 30s-70s when the country was subsidized to fill out the suburbs where black people couldn't buy. Then when those houses built fair market equity and those people sent their kids to college while black people were basically herded into public housing. How many small towns are kept afloat by prisons or over sized police departments who then crack down on minority communities to justify more police? How many crooked bankers who make extra profit off the backs of a population who has bad credit because they have no education or property (because they couldn't until recently) and get worse loan and interests rates because nobody cared to put in regulations to protect them. Have many mortgage brokers sold subprime loans in minority areas just recently even when they could have qualified for normal loans? Also look at the military currently that exploits the poorer areas of the country to support the all volunteer force. And those are just off the top, there are bigger and smaller examples everywhere.

Your response sums up white privilege to a T, by thinking you aren't privileged at all while gaining every multi-generation benefit bestowed to a group by the same group possible. While I think it is a powerful question to ask white people if they are honestly ok with having a system gives them a head start but allows them to coverup and pretend it is all merit based. Adding up all the little effects such as selling one group houses 65 years ago cheap and letting them gain the rewards has benefited multiple generations of white America but those white kids just think their grandparents worked harder than the families with no wealth built up. Your parents had pensions, theirs didn't because no one would give them those jobs. Yours went to "good schools" and took tests developed for them, theirs entered the work force only if they were able to keep their nose clean and then never went 1/2 far with twice as much work.

People can find exceptions but this is the reality for most.
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Most of that was the case decades ago, but it's not today, and virtually nobody I know today is making money at the expense of black people. Prisons may be making money by incarcerating black people, but who's paying for those prisons? Taxpayers. That's money from my pocket and your pocket. We are subsidizing those prisons, we are the ones paying for them. How about those police departments? Do you really think they are making oodles of cash by preying on low-income blacks? You can't get blood from a stone. The poor don't have anything to give. Again, it's more often the taxpayers who are subsidizing that police force. As for those mortgages - you should check some of the testimony that came before Congress on the housing crisis - a substantial number of the failed mortgages were actually second and third homes owned by upper middle class families who were hoping to make a fast buck off of the housing bubble by flipping homes.

While being oblivious to the injustices transpiring today is one thing the rest of your argument that it happened "decades ago" is like a post race interview of the race winner discounting the head start they received as happening at the beginning of the race and not relevant to the outcome because of all the stuff that happened after the advantage was given.

Outside of the ultra-wealthy, the rest of us weren't given any kind of "head start." But, where some AAs tripped up at the starting gate due to poor parenting and poor life choices? Absolutely.

It is hard to parent out of abject poverty which is institutionalized. That said I get that and agree at the end of the day you have to play the hand you are delt and there is always the option of making the dealer deal again.... If you are up for making them. But acknowledging that they have no one to ultimately blame but themselves like all people for their station in life doesn't preclude acknowledging that everybody else takes advantage of the situation every chance they get. Even the white people who fought for Civil rights still enjoyed the benefits of segregation 99% while growing up and competing for jobs and what not. Not complicit but just don't pertend it isn't happening.

No it is always the fault of the black people and the white people have nothing to be blamed for ever.

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious..... Isn’t affirmative action a form of reparations??

Should have been, but White women and Gay white males have benefited from that the most

Really? My white daughter was shut out of almost every college she applied to (as were so, SO many other white girls I spoke to), despite their stellar grades, test scores, extra-curriculars, etc. If white women are beneficiaries, tell it to these shell-shocked kids!

Yes. Really. They have.

"Originally, women weren’t even included in legislation attempting to level the playing field in education and employment. The first affirmative-action measure in America was an executive order signed by President Kennedy in 1961 requiring that federal contractors “take affirmative action to ensure that applicants are employed, and employees are treated during employment, without regard to their race, creed, color, or national origin.” In 1967, President Johnson amended this, and a subsequent measure included sex, recognizing that women also faced many discriminatory barriers and hurdles to equal opportunity. Meanwhile, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 only included sex in the list of prohibited forms of discrimination because conservative opponents of the legislation hoped that including it would sway moderate members of Congress to withdraw their support for the bill. Still, in a nation where white women and black people were once considered property — not allowed to own property themselves and not allowed to vote — it was clear to all those who were seeking fairness and opportunity that both groups faced monumental obstacles."
http://ideas.time.com/2013/06/17/affirmative-action-has-helped-white-women-more-than-anyone/

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious..... Isn’t affirmative action a form of reparations??

Should have been, but White women and Gay white males have benefited from that the most

Really? My white daughter was shut out of almost every college she applied to (as were so, SO many other white girls I spoke to), despite their stellar grades, test scores, extra-curriculars, etc. If white women are beneficiaries, tell it to these shell-shocked kids!

15 years ago I would've said ok the kids have a right to be shellshocked.

But there's too much info out there since about 2005 on how the game works. Did your white daughter grind away at a sport and get good enough to be recruited? That's the best hook (that's under your control - i.e. legacy and development hooks are not under your control) to have (along with good grades).

A recruitd athlete that scores in the 50th percentile of a particular school's profile is going to get in. I know lots of white girls that got in over the last 5 years into top schools. Most were recruited athletes.

I think lots of people overrate their 'stellar' extra-curriculars.

Your answer is the problem. College entry should not be a 'game', based on 'hooks' and 'whims' (and yes, she did play a sport and got awards, and no, she was not on her way to go pro). I think it's fine if someone is a natural athlete, the school can recruit them. But these top schools also float these kids, taking advantage of them, and often graduating them without them learning a damn thing. And you support that kind of exploitation?

A good progressive democrat will not see the problem with the bolded line. To a conservative, it sticks out like a sore thumb.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just curious..... Isn’t affirmative action a form of reparations??

Should have been, but White women and Gay white males have benefited from that the most

Really? My white daughter was shut out of almost every college she applied to (as were so, SO many other white girls I spoke to), despite their stellar grades, test scores, extra-curriculars, etc. If white women are beneficiaries, tell it to these shell-shocked kids!

Yes. Really. They have.

"Originally, women weren’t even included in legislation attempting to level the playing field in education and employment. The first affirmative-action measure in America was an executive order signed by President Kennedy in 1961 requiring that federal contractors “take affirmative action to ensure that applicants are employed, and employees are treated during employment, without regard to their race, creed, color, or national origin.” In 1967, President Johnson amended this, and a subsequent measure included sex, recognizing that women also faced many discriminatory barriers and hurdles to equal opportunity. Meanwhile, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 only included sex in the list of prohibited forms of discrimination because conservative opponents of the legislation hoped that including it would sway moderate members of Congress to withdraw their support for the bill. Still, in a nation where white women and black people were once considered property — not allowed to own property themselves and not allowed to vote — it was clear to all those who were seeking fairness and opportunity that both groups faced monumental obstacles."
http://ideas.time.com/2013/06/17/affirmative-action-has-helped-white-women-more-than-anyone/

When you have to go back over 50 years to support your point, consider your point obsolete.

We are taking about the here and now. When a white girl has 17% chance of getting into the same college that an AA or Hispanic person has 40% + chance (even with lower grades, test scores) and a white male has a 25% chance, there is a major issue going on. I dare say that's not a 'white girl advantage'