Confederate flag

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People are, of course, free to debate whether the Confederate flag represents racism. However, it is indisputable that the Confederacy was, for its entire existence, an enemy of the United States of America. Therefore, flying its flag is akin to flying a Nazi flag or the flag of another entity that was always an enemy of the U.S.

Do you know of any articles that might explain this for in depth?

Pretty much any high school history book should do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a proud descendant of confederate veterans. My father proudly displayed our confederate battle flag in Vietnam. The confederate flag fills me with pride in my region. I don't care what you have to say otherwise.

I'm a proud descendant of Scotland, and I'm happy to wear my family tartan, but I don't fly the Scottish flag at my house.

Many people do. You must be disappointed that not everybody is like you

I don't see the flag as racist. It's a flag for crying out loud. It represents the region that is culturally different from other regions withing the country. Nobody flips out when they see state flags.

I can sort of excuse black people's perspective on this. On the other hand, everything is racist for the black folks nowadays; sane people just shrug at the claim.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a proud descendant of confederate veterans. My father proudly displayed our confederate battle flag in Vietnam. The confederate flag fills me with pride in my region. I don't care what you have to say otherwise.

I'm a proud descendant of Scotland, and I'm happy to wear my family tartan, but I don't fly the Scottish flag at my house.

Many people do. You must be disappointed that not everybody is like you

I don't see the flag as racist. It's a flag for crying out loud. It represents the region that is culturally different from other regions withing the country. Nobody flips out when they see state flags.

I can sort of excuse black people's perspective on this. On the other hand, everything is racist for the black folks nowadays; sane people just shrug at the claim.

I do see the Confederate Flag as racist and so does every skin head in the country. It is also a Losers flag which actually makes me embarrassed for the people who display it. You lost the war that you started and yet you fly the flag to remind everyone that you are a loser?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a proud descendant of confederate veterans. My father proudly displayed our confederate battle flag in Vietnam. The confederate flag fills me with pride in my region. I don't care what you have to say otherwise.

I'm a proud descendant of Scotland, and I'm happy to wear my family tartan, but I don't fly the Scottish flag at my house.

Well it wouldn't bother me if you did though perhaps I live in a free state of mind, and others would castigate you for flying th colors of a "foreign power."

You're not my master and you'll never take my colors from me.

What a strange reversal of fortune for you.

It's not about slavery for me that's the whole point- you are the one with the fantasy that southern whites want to enslave blacks. If that makes you feel good about yourself (at my expense), so be it. There's no irony, no reversal of fortune. I am deeply proud of my heritage, I walk standing tall and you cannot I take that or my colors away from me.

So taking the slavery thing out, you are still celebrating a heritage of secession. You chose to leave America rather than to work within the Constitution.

You can have your colors. Wear them as a poncho for all I care. It helps to identify you.

Should majore Indian tribes that fought the union burn their tribal symbols in shame? Is the Union Jack shameful? You seem to have a particular problem with the south land.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't get being proud of one of the most shameful parts of American history.

That flag is the Cross of St. Andrew, and represented State's rights - it's a very important part of history. Those groups you hate that have 'adopted' this flag has bastardized its true meaning. By accepting their premise, you are simply playing into their ignorance - you are being used.

I am consistently amazed at those who can't think independently.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People are, of course, free to debate whether the Confederate flag represents racism. However, it is indisputable that the Confederacy was, for its entire existence, an enemy of the United States of America. Therefore, flying its flag is akin to flying a Nazi flag or the flag of another entity that was always an enemy of the U.S.

Do you know of any articles that might explain this for in depth?

Pretty much any high school history book should do.

Doesn't that tell you something about the state of education today in the public schools?

Filtered history isn't history.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a proud descendant of confederate veterans. My father proudly displayed our confederate battle flag in Vietnam. The confederate flag fills me with pride in my region. I don't care what you have to say otherwise.

I'm a proud descendant of Scotland, and I'm happy to wear my family tartan, but I don't fly the Scottish flag at my house.

Many people do. You must be disappointed that not everybody is like you

I don't see the flag as racist. It's a flag for crying out loud. It represents the region that is culturally different from other regions withing the country. Nobody flips out when they see state flags.

I can sort of excuse black people's perspective on this. On the other hand, everything is racist for the black folks nowadays; sane people just shrug at the claim.

I do see the Confederate Flag as racist and so does every skin head in the country. It is also a Losers flag which actually makes me embarrassed for the people who display it. You lost the war that you started and yet you fly the flag to remind everyone that you are a loser?

So why legitimize a hate group that took on a symbol as their own by adopting their interpretation? It's original meaning was to represent states' rights. But I'm sure you are aware of this, no?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't get being proud of one of the most shameful parts of American history.

That flag is the Cross of St. Andrew, and represented State's rights - it's a very important part of history. Those groups you hate that have 'adopted' this flag has bastardized its true meaning. By accepting their premise, you are simply playing into their ignorance - you are being used.

I am consistently amazed at those who can't think independently.

Yes, state's rights. State's rights to engage in chattel slavery. You don't have to take my word for it. Why don't we ask the founders of the Confederacy? They helpfully left primary documents telling us what rights they were interesting in defending:

http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/primarysources/declarationofcauses.html#Georgia

Mississippi

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization.

[Anonymous]

I lived in the deep south as a child of a military officer. I am jewish, and believe in equality -- and did in 1975. What I found (at 11 yo), the people who called me a "N**** Loving Pollack Jew" where the same people that burned the cross in our front lawn....they were the same people that tried to intimidate us into leaving, and alway used the confederate flag -- it matched their white robes.

Oh, and they succeeded in driving us out. My family moved away as soon as my father could get transferred.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a proud descendant of confederate veterans. My father proudly displayed our confederate battle flag in Vietnam. The confederate flag fills me with pride in my region. I don't care what you have to say otherwise.

I'm a proud descendant of Scotland, and I'm happy to wear my family tartan, but I don't fly the Scottish flag at my house.

Many people do. You must be disappointed that not everybody is like you

I don't see the flag as racist. It's a flag for crying out loud. It represents the region that is culturally different from other regions withing the country. Nobody flips out when they see state flags.

I can sort of excuse black people's perspective on this. On the other hand, everything is racist for the black folks nowadays; sane people just shrug at the claim.

I do see the Confederate Flag as racist and so does every skin head in the country. It is also a Losers flag which actually makes me embarrassed for the people who display it. You lost the war that you started and yet you fly the flag to remind everyone that you are a loser?

So why legitimize a hate group that took on a symbol as their own by adopting their interpretation? It's original meaning was to represent states' rights. But I'm sure you are aware of this, no?

The state's right to enslave other human beings. You can't separate those two concepts within the context of the Civil War.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I lived in the deep south as a child of a military officer. I am jewish, and believe in equality -- and did in 1975. What I found (at 11 yo), the people who called me a "N**** Loving Pollack Jew" where the same people that burned the cross in our front lawn....they were the same people that tried to intimidate us into leaving, and alway used the confederate flag -- it matched their white robes.

Oh, and they succeeded in driving us out. My family moved away as soon as my father could get transferred.

Lord knows there's no hate up north- what a bunch of narrow minded idiots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I lived in the deep south as a child of a military officer. I am jewish, and believe in equality -- and did in 1975. What I found (at 11 yo), the people who called me a "N**** Loving Pollack Jew" where the same people that burned the cross in our front lawn....they were the same people that tried to intimidate us into leaving, and alway used the confederate flag -- it matched their white robes.

Oh, and they succeeded in driving us out. My family moved away as soon as my father could get transferred.

Lord knows there's no hate up north- what a bunch of narrow minded idiots.

Only if your definition means narrow minded and idiotic for not putting up with souterherners racism and hate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a proud descendant of confederate veterans. My father proudly displayed our confederate battle flag in Vietnam. The confederate flag fills me with pride in my region. I don't care what you have to say otherwise.

I'm a proud descendant of Scotland, and I'm happy to wear my family tartan, but I don't fly the Scottish flag at my house.

Many people do. You must be disappointed that not everybody is like you

I don't see the flag as racist. It's a flag for crying out loud. It represents the region that is culturally different from other regions withing the country. Nobody flips out when they see state flags.

I can sort of excuse black people's perspective on this. On the other hand, everything is racist for the black folks nowadays; sane people just shrug at the claim.

I do see the Confederate Flag as racist and so does every skin head in the country. It is also a Losers flag which actually makes me embarrassed for the people who display it. You lost the war that you started and yet you fly the flag to remind everyone that you are a loser?

So why legitimize a hate group that took on a symbol as their own by adopting their interpretation? It's original meaning was to represent states' rights. But I'm sure you are aware of this, no?

Nonsense. The svastika had many different meanings in many different religions before the Nazi's took it as their symbol. It is NOW a representation of hatred and murder. The original meaning makes no difference. Same with the confederate flag.

And it is terrifying to think this fact is something you are not aware of.

[Anonymous]

Confederates started our only civil war that pitted brother against brother. They lost. Their stupid, loser flag should have been abolished a century ago as was the Nazi flag in Germany.

[Anonymous]

The Confederate flag now represents the undereducated with few teeth.