Need help interpreting CogAT, NNAT, GBRS

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Anonymous wrote:Some people here seem to think they are an expert on how gifted children behave.

Here's what Hoagies' gifted has to say about boredom in gifted kids: http://www.hoagiesgifted.org/never_say_bored.htm

I've had continuing education classes on this topic and totally disagree. I've lived it with truly gifted children in my classes see how they create their own stimulation with whatever is presented. For example, if I we were doing a journal entry for the 78th time that school year (first grade) and I ask the children to write a fiction story, a gifted child's story will be longer, contain amazing details (often using non-fiction supporting details or fantasy details). The one that I can recall right now was written by a first grade boy about a mummy which seems innocent enough and typical enough for a first grader) but this one had details about the Egyptian sarcophagus', why they were used, how they looked, etc. Nearly all first grade boys would write a FICTION mummy story about mummies with a focus about the Halloween-aspect of a mummy story.

You obviously have little experience working with 2E kids.

Yeah, and 5-6 different ways to come up with the answer to a math problem? I'm not buying it. Most gifted kids I know would rush through the easy math so that they could read a book. Not a bad use of time, but obviously that isn't meeting their needs in math.

I didn't ask you to "buy it" - I'm telling you my experience. How many gifted kids have you seen? Were you in a classroom? Did you have training? I imagine yours is based on the experience of hearsay or your own children or some other impartial sampling. I was in the classroom for more than a decade.

I see you chose to ignore the comment from the PhD physicist. I guess anything not consistent with your opinion must not be relevant or accurate.

I didn't ignore anything. I'm not on here every moment of every day. Regardless, I gave you MY experience based on MY training and based on what I saw in the classroom and what MY colleagues saw and reported to me in meetings which we had on a routine and regular basis. I asked what YOUR personal experience was with many gifted children. I see you didn't respond to that. FWIW, I went back and reviewed my materials from my continuing education courses on this very topic and it was also by well educated individualS, as the three courses I added over the years each lasted a day.

I have read extensively on the topic and there is absolutely no unanimous agreement that gifted kids don't get bored. Also, I'm not impressed by day long classes. You keep talking in absolutes, as if YOUR personal experience is the universe of all experiences. Not true. But you seem very self important. How about doing a basic Google search and reading some of the articles. Also, how old is your materials? Thinking does evolve over time. If you think that there is no possibility at all that a gifted child can be bored, then there clearly is no way to have a rational discussion with you. Thank goodness it sounds like you're no longer teaching.

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Anonymous wrote:Some people here seem to think they are an expert on how gifted children behave.

Here's what Hoagies' gifted has to say about boredom in gifted kids: http://www.hoagiesgifted.org/never_say_bored.htm

I've had continuing education classes on this topic and totally disagree. I've lived it with truly gifted children in my classes see how they create their own stimulation with whatever is presented. For example, if I we were doing a journal entry for the 78th time that school year (first grade) and I ask the children to write a fiction story, a gifted child's story will be longer, contain amazing details (often using non-fiction supporting details or fantasy details). The one that I can recall right now was written by a first grade boy about a mummy which seems innocent enough and typical enough for a first grader) but this one had details about the Egyptian sarcophagus', why they were used, how they looked, etc. Nearly all first grade boys would write a FICTION mummy story about mummies with a focus about the Halloween-aspect of a mummy story.

You obviously have little experience working with 2E kids.

Yeah, and 5-6 different ways to come up with the answer to a math problem? I'm not buying it. Most gifted kids I know would rush through the easy math so that they could read a book. Not a bad use of time, but obviously that isn't meeting their needs in math.

I didn't ask you to "buy it" - I'm telling you my experience. How many gifted kids have you seen? Were you in a classroom? Did you have training? I imagine yours is based on the experience of hearsay or your own children or some other impartial sampling. I was in the classroom for more than a decade.

I see you chose to ignore the comment from the PhD physicist. I guess anything not consistent with your opinion must not be relevant or accurate.

I didn't ignore anything. I'm not on here every moment of every day. Regardless, I gave you MY experience based on MY training and based on what I saw in the classroom and what MY colleagues saw and reported to me in meetings which we had on a routine and regular basis. I asked what YOUR personal experience was with many gifted children. I see you didn't respond to that. FWIW, I went back and reviewed my materials from my continuing education courses on this very topic and it was also by well educated individualS, as the three courses I added over the years each lasted a day.

I have read extensively on the topic and there is absolutely no unanimous agreement that gifted kids don't get bored. Also, I'm not impressed by day long classes. You keep talking in absolutes, as if YOUR personal experience is the universe of all experiences. Not true. But you seem very self important. How about doing a basic Google search and reading some of the articles. Also, how old is your materials? Thinking does evolve over time. If you think that there is no possibility at all that a gifted child can be bored, then there clearly is no way to have a rational discussion with you. Thank goodness it sounds like you're no longer teaching.

No, I didn't talk about absolutes...I was telling you what happened in my experience, as well as the experience of my colleagues, in a center school for more than a decade, and the experience of the colleagues of those attending the continuing education classes with me as well as those who taught those classes. The information is not that dated. FWIW, my AAP DC was never bored before she was admitted into AAP and my son, who is bright, has never been bored. The both entered kindergarten reading long chapter books and able to do a lot of second grade math. Neither one came home a day saying he or she was bored. Does that mean another child might not be, no, certainly not.

I agree, thank goodness I'm not teaching anymore. Do you know how frustrating it was to have to try to explain how the DRA works to parents who adamantly state Susie is reading books at a fifth grade level at home but was testing only at a level 16 in first grade? Do you know how difficult it was to explain to a parent who says that her child NEEDS AAP because misbehavior is because the child is bored when the child is not grasping grade-level materials? I'm sympathetic. We all want what is best for our children and we all love our children. I just wish parents would have more of an open mind when it comes to their kids abilities and capabilities.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some people here seem to think they are an expert on how gifted children behave.

Here's what Hoagies' gifted has to say about boredom in gifted kids: http://www.hoagiesgifted.org/never_say_bored.htm

I've had continuing education classes on this topic and totally disagree. I've lived it with truly gifted children in my classes see how they create their own stimulation with whatever is presented. For example, if I we were doing a journal entry for the 78th time that school year (first grade) and I ask the children to write a fiction story, a gifted child's story will be longer, contain amazing details (often using non-fiction supporting details or fantasy details). The one that I can recall right now was written by a first grade boy about a mummy which seems innocent enough and typical enough for a first grader) but this one had details about the Egyptian sarcophagus', why they were used, how they looked, etc. Nearly all first grade boys would write a FICTION mummy story about mummies with a focus about the Halloween-aspect of a mummy story.

You obviously have little experience working with 2E kids.

Yeah, and 5-6 different ways to come up with the answer to a math problem? I'm not buying it. Most gifted kids I know would rush through the easy math so that they could read a book. Not a bad use of time, but obviously that isn't meeting their needs in math.

I didn't ask you to "buy it" - I'm telling you my experience. How many gifted kids have you seen? Were you in a classroom? Did you have training? I imagine yours is based on the experience of hearsay or your own children or some other impartial sampling. I was in the classroom for more than a decade.

I see you chose to ignore the comment from the PhD physicist. I guess anything not consistent with your opinion must not be relevant or accurate.

I didn't ignore anything. I'm not on here every moment of every day. Regardless, I gave you MY experience based on MY training and based on what I saw in the classroom and what MY colleagues saw and reported to me in meetings which we had on a routine and regular basis. I asked what YOUR personal experience was with many gifted children. I see you didn't respond to that. FWIW, I went back and reviewed my materials from my continuing education courses on this very topic and it was also by well educated individualS, as the three courses I added over the years each lasted a day.

I have read extensively on the topic and there is absolutely no unanimous agreement that gifted kids don't get bored. Also, I'm not impressed by day long classes. You keep talking in absolutes, as if YOUR personal experience is the universe of all experiences. Not true. But you seem very self important. How about doing a basic Google search and reading some of the articles. Also, how old is your materials? Thinking does evolve over time. If you think that there is no possibility at all that a gifted child can be bored, then there clearly is no way to have a rational discussion with you. Thank goodness it sounds like you're no longer teaching.

Google search or a decade of personal experience? OMG - this is what is wrong with parents thinking they are always right.