Want to raise kids Catholic, have some issues with Church

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Anonymous wrote:Catholic here, and I"m surprised at the discussion of "gory crosses." Most (not all) of the crucifixes I have seen show very little or no blood. Yes, there are nails through his hands and feet, but no blood showing. In all my years as a Catholic child I never really realized or was told the gory details associated with being crucified. I was well into adulthood before it even occurred to me.

Even a little blood coming from nail holes in hands and feet is gory to someone who's not used to seeing it once a week, as big (or bigger) than life, as the centerpiece of an altar. Did you ever do the stations of the cross as a child? It's all about how Jesus was humiliated and tortured on the way to his death.
#10 is Jesus is stripped of his garments and #11 is Jesus is nailed to the cross

The catholic day, catholic week, catholic year is all centered on the stations and crucifixion. On the suffering for us.

If thats not for you its not for you. Please don't try to sanitize the catholic church because you find it "triggering".

Just find a different religion.

Catholics are hardcore.

I'm sorry, but what? I don't know any hardcore Catholics. Please don't disparage those of us who actually try to live our faith day in and day out with that nonsense.

Really? You don't know any hardcore Catholics? Do you ever go to mass? Which Diocese?

I'm not Catholic. However, my Catholic friends rarely attend mass, vote pro-choice and pro-gay marriage, and use birth control. Regardless of your feelings on those things, that's hardly hard core.

I am Catholic. ADW. Go to church in Rockville. Go to mass. Am pro equality for everything, including marriage, used birth control. I have never had my child mention "blood" on the crucifix.

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Anonymous wrote:Catholic here, and I"m surprised at the discussion of "gory crosses." Most (not all) of the crucifixes I have seen show very little or no blood. Yes, there are nails through his hands and feet, but no blood showing. In all my years as a Catholic child I never really realized or was told the gory details associated with being crucified. I was well into adulthood before it even occurred to me.

Even a little blood coming from nail holes in hands and feet is gory to someone who's not used to seeing it once a week, as big (or bigger) than life, as the centerpiece of an altar. Did you ever do the stations of the cross as a child? It's all about how Jesus was humiliated and tortured on the way to his death.
#10 is Jesus is stripped of his garments and #11 is Jesus is nailed to the cross

The catholic day, catholic week, catholic year is all centered on the stations and crucifixion. On the suffering for us.

If thats not for you its not for you. Please don't try to sanitize the catholic church because you find it "triggering".

Just find a different religion.

Catholics are hardcore.

I'm sorry, but what? I don't know any hardcore Catholics. Please don't disparage those of us who actually try to live our faith day in and day out with that nonsense.

Really? You don't know any hardcore Catholics? Do you ever go to mass? Which Diocese?

I'm not Catholic. However, my Catholic friends rarely attend mass, vote pro-choice and pro-gay marriage, and use birth control. Regardless of your feelings on those things, that's hardly hard core.

Oh my gosh you are dense, read the "catholics are hardcore" in context again, you dipshit

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I am so tired of folks who whine about the Catholic Church and yet no so little about it... If their yoga teacher told them to read a book about Vishnu, they would do it, but they prefer to bloviate about the Church rather than actually see what it is like.

there are PLENTY of Catholic parishes where OP would be perfectly comfortable, assuming that is that OP actually has some bona fide interest in attending a church (as opposed to kvetching).

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Anonymous wrote:I am so tired of folks who whine about the Catholic Church and yet no so little about it... If their yoga teacher told them to read a book about Vishnu, they would do it, but they prefer to bloviate about the Church rather than actually see what it is like.

there are PLENTY of Catholic parishes where OP would be perfectly comfortable, assuming that is that OP actually has some bona fide interest in attending a church (as opposed to kvetching).

Is there a listing of Catholic Churches that do not have Crucifixes? I once saw one in VA that had a huge risen (or perhaps rising) Christ on the Altar. Don't remember its name -- was there for a concert. The statue was completely dressed, in long robes.

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Anonymous wrote:I am so tired of folks who whine about the Catholic Church and yet no so little about it... If their yoga teacher told them to read a book about Vishnu, they would do it, but they prefer to bloviate about the Church rather than actually see what it is like.

there are PLENTY of Catholic parishes where OP would be perfectly comfortable, assuming that is that OP actually has some bona fide interest in attending a church (as opposed to kvetching).

What is there to know about the church?

It's ritualistic. It penalizes people for being born gay. It forces women to procreate. (And please don't preach to me about NFP.) It refuses to see women as equals. It is based on a book that includes stories lacking sufficient historical backup.

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Anonymous wrote:Catholic here, and I"m surprised at the discussion of "gory crosses." Most (not all) of the crucifixes I have seen show very little or no blood. Yes, there are nails through his hands and feet, but no blood showing. In all my years as a Catholic child I never really realized or was told the gory details associated with being crucified. I was well into adulthood before it even occurred to me.

Even a little blood coming from nail holes in hands and feet is gory to someone who's not used to seeing it once a week, as big (or bigger) than life, as the centerpiece of an altar. Did you ever do the stations of the cross as a child? It's all about how Jesus was humiliated and tortured on the way to his death.
#10 is Jesus is stripped of his garments and #11 is Jesus is nailed to the cross

The catholic day, catholic week, catholic year is all centered on the stations and crucifixion. On the suffering for us.

If thats not for you its not for you. Please don't try to sanitize the catholic church because you find it "triggering".

Just find a different religion.

Catholics are hardcore.

I'm sorry, but what? I don't know any hardcore Catholics. Please don't disparage those of us who actually try to live our faith day in and day out with that nonsense.

Really? You don't know any hardcore Catholics? Do you ever go to mass? Which Diocese?

I'm not Catholic. However, my Catholic friends rarely attend mass, vote pro-choice and pro-gay marriage, and use birth control. Regardless of your feelings on those things, that's hardly hard core.

I am Catholic. ADW. Go to church in Rockville. Go to mass. Am pro equality for everything, including marriage, used birth control. I have never had my child mention "blood" on the crucifix.

As mentioned earlier, if a child is used to it, because it's all they've ever seen for as long as they can remember, they're not likely to think of it as as being unusual or "gory."

It might be interesting if you pointed out the blood and the holes in the hands and feet and asked him/her about it.

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Anonymous wrote:I am so tired of folks who whine about the Catholic Church and yet no so little about it... If their yoga teacher told them to read a book about Vishnu, they would do it, but they prefer to bloviate about the Church rather than actually see what it is like.

there are PLENTY of Catholic parishes where OP would be perfectly comfortable, assuming that is that OP actually has some bona fide interest in attending a church (as opposed to kvetching).

What is there to know about the church?

It's ritualistic. It penalizes people for being born gay. It forces women to procreate. (And please don't preach to me about NFP.) It refuses to see women as equals. It is based on a book that includes stories lacking sufficient historical backup.

And a whole set of rules devised centuries ago by a ruling class of men.

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Anonymous wrote:Catholic here, and I"m surprised at the discussion of "gory crosses." Most (not all) of the crucifixes I have seen show very little or no blood. Yes, there are nails through his hands and feet, but no blood showing. In all my years as a Catholic child I never really realized or was told the gory details associated with being crucified. I was well into adulthood before it even occurred to me.

Even a little blood coming from nail holes in hands and feet is gory to someone who's not used to seeing it once a week, as big (or bigger) than life, as the centerpiece of an altar. Did you ever do the stations of the cross as a child? It's all about how Jesus was humiliated and tortured on the way to his death.
#10 is Jesus is stripped of his garments and #11 is Jesus is nailed to the cross

The catholic day, catholic week, catholic year is all centered on the stations and crucifixion. On the suffering for us.

If thats not for you its not for you. Please don't try to sanitize the catholic church because you find it "triggering".

Just find a different religion.

Catholics are hardcore.

I'm sorry, but what? I don't know any hardcore Catholics. Please don't disparage those of us who actually try to live our faith day in and day out with that nonsense.

Really? You don't know any hardcore Catholics? Do you ever go to mass? Which Diocese?

I'm not Catholic. However, my Catholic friends rarely attend mass, vote pro-choice and pro-gay marriage, and use birth control. Regardless of your feelings on those things, that's hardly hard core.

I am Catholic. ADW. Go to church in Rockville. Go to mass. Am pro equality for everything, including marriage, used birth control. I have never had my child mention "blood" on the crucifix.

As mentioned earlier, if a child is used to it, because it's all they've ever seen for as long as they can remember, they're not likely to think of it as as being unusual or "gory."

It might be interesting if you pointed out the blood and the holes in the hands and feet and asked him/her about it.

Exactly... I would literally have to walk them up to the crucifix and point it out to them for them to notice.

I will ask them though... When they wake up.

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Anonymous wrote:Catholic here, and I"m surprised at the discussion of "gory crosses." Most (not all) of the crucifixes I have seen show very little or no blood. Yes, there are nails through his hands and feet, but no blood showing. In all my years as a Catholic child I never really realized or was told the gory details associated with being crucified. I was well into adulthood before it even occurred to me.

Even a little blood coming from nail holes in hands and feet is gory to someone who's not used to seeing it once a week, as big (or bigger) than life, as the centerpiece of an altar. Did you ever do the stations of the cross as a child? It's all about how Jesus was humiliated and tortured on the way to his death.
#10 is Jesus is stripped of his garments and #11 is Jesus is nailed to the cross

The catholic day, catholic week, catholic year is all centered on the stations and crucifixion. On the suffering for us.

If thats not for you its not for you. Please don't try to sanitize the catholic church because you find it "triggering".

Just find a different religion.

Catholics are hardcore.

I'm sorry, but what? I don't know any hardcore Catholics. Please don't disparage those of us who actually try to live our faith day in and day out with that nonsense.

Really? You don't know any hardcore Catholics? Do you ever go to mass? Which Diocese?

I'm not Catholic. However, my Catholic friends rarely attend mass, vote pro-choice and pro-gay marriage, and use birth control. Regardless of your feelings on those things, that's hardly hard core.

I am Catholic. ADW. Go to church in Rockville. Go to mass. Am pro equality for everything, including marriage, used birth control. I have never had my child mention "blood" on the crucifix.

As mentioned earlier, if a child is used to it, because it's all they've ever seen for as long as they can remember, they're not likely to think of it as as being unusual or "gory."

It might be interesting if you pointed out the blood and the holes in the hands and feet and asked him/her about it.

Exactly... I would literally have to walk them up to the crucifix and point it out to them for them to notice.

I will ask them though... When they wake up.

brainwashing through fear and guilt

"Look at what Jesus did for us! He died on the cross for us!"

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Anonymous wrote:Catholic here, and I"m surprised at the discussion of "gory crosses." Most (not all) of the crucifixes I have seen show very little or no blood. Yes, there are nails through his hands and feet, but no blood showing. In all my years as a Catholic child I never really realized or was told the gory details associated with being crucified. I was well into adulthood before it even occurred to me.

Even a little blood coming from nail holes in hands and feet is gory to someone who's not used to seeing it once a week, as big (or bigger) than life, as the centerpiece of an altar. Did you ever do the stations of the cross as a child? It's all about how Jesus was humiliated and tortured on the way to his death.
#10 is Jesus is stripped of his garments and #11 is Jesus is nailed to the cross

The catholic day, catholic week, catholic year is all centered on the stations and crucifixion. On the suffering for us.

If thats not for you its not for you. Please don't try to sanitize the catholic church because you find it "triggering".

Just find a different religion.

Catholics are hardcore.

I'm sorry, but what? I don't know any hardcore Catholics. Please don't disparage those of us who actually try to live our faith day in and day out with that nonsense.

Really? You don't know any hardcore Catholics? Do you ever go to mass? Which Diocese?

I'm not Catholic. However, my Catholic friends rarely attend mass, vote pro-choice and pro-gay marriage, and use birth control. Regardless of your feelings on those things, that's hardly hard core.

I am Catholic. ADW. Go to church in Rockville. Go to mass. Am pro equality for everything, including marriage, used birth control. I have never had my child mention "blood" on the crucifix.

As mentioned earlier, if a child is used to it, because it's all they've ever seen for as long as they can remember, they're not likely to think of it as as being unusual or "gory."

It might be interesting if you pointed out the blood and the holes in the hands and feet and asked him/her about it.

Exactly... I would literally have to walk them up to the crucifix and point it out to them for them to notice.

I will ask them though... When they wake up.

brainwashing through fear and guilt

"Look at what Jesus did for us! He died on the cross for us!"

I just asked him. He said "there is a crucifix in church?"

I said, "yes, it is right behind the alter, behind the priest"

He said, "good to know"

I said you know it has Jesus nailed to the cross and there is blood on the crucifix ... Do think that is scary for little kids?

He said, "no"

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Anonymous wrote:Catholic here, and I"m surprised at the discussion of "gory crosses." Most (not all) of the crucifixes I have seen show very little or no blood. Yes, there are nails through his hands and feet, but no blood showing. In all my years as a Catholic child I never really realized or was told the gory details associated with being crucified. I was well into adulthood before it even occurred to me.

Even a little blood coming from nail holes in hands and feet is gory to someone who's not used to seeing it once a week, as big (or bigger) than life, as the centerpiece of an altar. Did you ever do the stations of the cross as a child? It's all about how Jesus was humiliated and tortured on the way to his death.
#10 is Jesus is stripped of his garments and #11 is Jesus is nailed to the cross

The catholic day, catholic week, catholic year is all centered on the stations and crucifixion. On the suffering for us.

If thats not for you its not for you. Please don't try to sanitize the catholic church because you find it "triggering".

Just find a different religion.

Catholics are hardcore.

I'm sorry, but what? I don't know any hardcore Catholics. Please don't disparage those of us who actually try to live our faith day in and day out with that nonsense.

Really? You don't know any hardcore Catholics? Do you ever go to mass? Which Diocese?

I'm not Catholic. However, my Catholic friends rarely attend mass, vote pro-choice and pro-gay marriage, and use birth control. Regardless of your feelings on those things, that's hardly hard core.

I am Catholic. ADW. Go to church in Rockville. Go to mass. Am pro equality for everything, including marriage, used birth control. I have never had my child mention "blood" on the crucifix.

As mentioned earlier, if a child is used to it, because it's all they've ever seen for as long as they can remember, they're not likely to think of it as as being unusual or "gory."

It might be interesting if you pointed out the blood and the holes in the hands and feet and asked him/her about it.

Exactly... I would literally have to walk them up to the crucifix and point it out to them for them to notice.

I will ask them though... When they wake up.

brainwashing through fear and guilt

"Look at what Jesus did for us! He died on the cross for us!"

We get it. You don't believe, you think believers are idiots and abusers.

When you post repeatedly about the downside of religion is that venting or do you want to persuade us to rethink our ties to organized religion?

And why not start in on Judaism or Islam or Buddhism or Shintoism? You seem to pour all your energy into the story of the guy on the cross. Why not address the brainwashed who believe in God by other names? Or multiple gods?

I'd like to know more about you - you seem to know a lot about us.

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Anonymous wrote:I am so tired of folks who whine about the Catholic Church and yet no so little about it... If their yoga teacher told them to read a book about Vishnu, they would do it, but they prefer to bloviate about the Church rather than actually see what it is like.

there are PLENTY of Catholic parishes where OP would be perfectly comfortable, assuming that is that OP actually has some bona fide interest in attending a church (as opposed to kvetching).

Is there a listing of Catholic Churches that do not have Crucifixes? I once saw one in VA that had a huge risen (or perhaps rising) Christ on the Altar. Don't remember its name -- was there for a concert. The statue was completely dressed, in long robes.

This is St. Luke's in McLean. But the focus is still the same in that parish. It is a hard-core Catholic parish. I grew up in it. I am glad it gave me a solid grounding my faith.
This conversation has taken the weirdest turn. I had no idea that Protestants were so squeamish about this. I feel like I am having a conversation with my 2-year-old who doesn't like onions, or something similarly childish and illogical. Like, spiders. Or, ooh, bugs. Grow up, people, and like a previous poster said, do some reading and educating yourself about Catholicism before you bloviate about it. People always say they like to have "open minds" and be "liberal" and "accepting of those who think differently" until it comes to the Catholic Church. It's so crazy to me.

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I just asked him. He said "there is a crucifix in church?"

I said, "yes, it is right behind the alter, behind the priest"

He said, "good to know"

I said you know it has Jesus nailed to the cross and there is blood on the crucifix ... Do think that is scary for little kids?

He said, "no"

Sort of illustrates the point that Catholic kids are so used to it they don't notice it. Also sounds like your kid is not so impressed with Jesus' great sacrifice

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So you don't want kids to learn about slavery either then? Beating, lynching, hanging let's leave that out. Too gruesome.

Also war.

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I'm not Catholic. However, my Catholic friends rarely attend mass, vote pro-choice and pro-gay marriage, and use birth control. Regardless of your feelings on those things, that's hardly hard core.

Oh my gosh you are dense, read the "catholics are hardcore" in context again, you dipshit

LOL, you're why I don't like most Catholics.