S/o next great white hope: Breakthrough Montessori

[Anonymous]

Here is one from the DCPCSB, released in 2015.

http://www.dcpcsb.org/sites/default/files/Binder3.pdf

[Anonymous]

Thanks. Interesting. It's not what PP was referring to on the MySchoolDC site and with zip codes. I couldn't find that.

Anyway, it does show people from all over the city attending charter schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks. Interesting. It's not what PP was referring to on the MySchoolDC site and with zip codes. I couldn't find that.

Anyway, it does show people from all over the city attending charter schools.

The Washington Post last year took the DCPCSB data and you could manipulate it. Couldn't find that feature anymore.

Never recall seeing anything like that on Myschooldc but could have easily missed it. But it does confirm what was said upthread about students from Ward 3 attending Lee.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks. Interesting. It's not what PP was referring to on the MySchoolDC site and with zip codes. I couldn't find that.

Anyway, it does show people from all over the city attending charter schools.

Yes very interesting. all pps are right. most parents choosing charters have subpar neighborhood schools but there are a few families with great neighborhood schools choosing charters because they want Montessori or immersion or special education or a diverse school or a different kind of middle school experience

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thanks. Interesting. It's not what PP was referring to on the MySchoolDC site and with zip codes. I couldn't find that.

Anyway, it does show people from all over the city attending charter schools.

The Washington Post last year took the DCPCSB data and you could manipulate it. Couldn't find that feature anymore.

Never recall seeing anything like that on Myschooldc but could have easily missed it. But it does confirm what was said upthread about students from Ward 3 attending Lee.

Charters
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/dc-student-commutes-to-charters-vary-some-go-more-than-five-miles/2015/05/10/fce21800-f590-11e4-bcc4-e8141e5eb0c9_story.html

DCPS
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/many-dc-public-school-students-travel-less-than-a-mile-to-school/2015/05/12/0dcecfa8-f80e-11e4-a13c-193b1241d51a_story.html

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Op, I love you, even though I send my snowflake to a Montessori charter.

The class is a lot more economically diverse than our dcps.

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I have to wonder if all the lovers of Montessori know it's original roots and purpose? Also, I have heard some lovers of Montessori (leaders of some of the Montessori schools that are so highly sought after in this city) state that Montessori works for ALL children - that is just not true. While I have nothing against Montessori in particular although it was not a program we sought out because we did not think it appropriate for our child, I was pretty horrified when the parent of one Montessori school bragged to me about how the children are learning how to carry a stack of teacups properly. What??!! That really is not what I want a school teaching my AA child who will already be pigeonholed in so many ways.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder if all the lovers of Montessori know it's original roots and purpose? Also, I have heard some lovers of Montessori (leaders of some of the Montessori schools that are so highly sought after in this city) state that Montessori works for ALL children - that is just not true. While I have nothing against Montessori in particular although it was not a program we sought out because we did not think it appropriate for our child, I was pretty horrified when the parent of one Montessori school bragged to me about how the children are learning how to carry a stack of teacups properly. What??!! That really is not what I want a school teaching my AA child who will already be pigeonholed in so many ways.

The reason they do "practical life" lessons in preschool is that it supports gross and fine motor skills, which help prepare children for writing.

And yes they will know how to wash a table and take care of their environment.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder if all the lovers of Montessori know it's original roots and purpose? Also, I have heard some lovers of Montessori (leaders of some of the Montessori schools that are so highly sought after in this city) state that Montessori works for ALL children - that is just not true. While I have nothing against Montessori in particular although it was not a program we sought out because we did not think it appropriate for our child, I was pretty horrified when the parent of one Montessori school bragged to me about how the children are learning how to carry a stack of teacups properly. What??!! That really is not what I want a school teaching my AA child who will already be pigeonholed in so many ways.

The reason they do "practical life" lessons in preschool is that it supports gross and fine motor skills, which help prepare children for writing.

And yes they will know how to wash a table and take care of their environment.

My child is at a Montessori school, and there are many aspects of it that clearly have their roots in teaching Italian slum kids how to be middle-class (all the cleanliness and order).

It is what it is.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder if all the lovers of Montessori know it's original roots and purpose? Also, I have heard some lovers of Montessori (leaders of some of the Montessori schools that are so highly sought after in this city) state that Montessori works for ALL children - that is just not true. While I have nothing against Montessori in particular although it was not a program we sought out because we did not think it appropriate for our child, I was pretty horrified when the parent of one Montessori school bragged to me about how the children are learning how to carry a stack of teacups properly. What??!! That really is not what I want a school teaching my AA child who will already be pigeonholed in so many ways.

With respect, it sounds very much like YOU do not understand even the basics of the Montessori method, so ragging on "lovers of Montessori" for not knowing it's "original roots and purpose" is a bit rich. It's "original roots and purpose" was to help poor kids in Italy and it's been proven over more than a century to be effective.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder if all the lovers of Montessori know it's original roots and purpose? Also, I have heard some lovers of Montessori (leaders of some of the Montessori schools that are so highly sought after in this city) state that Montessori works for ALL children - that is just not true. While I have nothing against Montessori in particular although it was not a program we sought out because we did not think it appropriate for our child, I was pretty horrified when the parent of one Montessori school bragged to me about how the children are learning how to carry a stack of teacups properly. What??!! That really is not what I want a school teaching my AA child who will already be pigeonholed in so many ways.

The reason they do "practical life" lessons in preschool is that it supports gross and fine motor skills, which help prepare children for writing.

And yes they will know how to wash a table and take care of their environment.

My child is at a Montessori school, and there are many aspects of it that clearly have their roots in teaching Italian slum kids how to be middle-class (all the cleanliness and order).

It is what it is.

Yes, Maria Montessori first implemented this curriculum with homeless children, refugees and vulnerable communities. There is a movie about her life, which I recommend watching.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder if all the lovers of Montessori know it's original roots and purpose? Also, I have heard some lovers of Montessori (leaders of some of the Montessori schools that are so highly sought after in this city) state that Montessori works for ALL children - that is just not true. While I have nothing against Montessori in particular although it was not a program we sought out because we did not think it appropriate for our child, I was pretty horrified when the parent of one Montessori school bragged to me about how the children are learning how to carry a stack of teacups properly. What??!! That really is not what I want a school teaching my AA child who will already be pigeonholed in so many ways.

With respect, it sounds very much like YOU do not understand even the basics of the Montessori method, so ragging on "lovers of Montessori" for not knowing it's "original roots and purpose" is a bit rich. It's "original roots and purpose" was to help poor kids in Italy and it's been proven over more than a century to be effective.

Effective in doing what? Pretty much all of the models are "effective," it's just a matter of how a parent wants their child to get there.

And no, it's not for everybody. My son has Asperger's and ADHD, and his therapists unanimously said Montessori was a bad fit. I know plenty of people who aren't sold on the method, and we all totally fit the "profile" of those who should love it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder if all the lovers of Montessori know it's original roots and purpose? Also, I have heard some lovers of Montessori (leaders of some of the Montessori schools that are so highly sought after in this city) state that Montessori works for ALL children - that is just not true. While I have nothing against Montessori in particular although it was not a program we sought out because we did not think it appropriate for our child, I was pretty horrified when the parent of one Montessori school bragged to me about how the children are learning how to carry a stack of teacups properly. What??!! That really is not what I want a school teaching my AA child who will already be pigeonholed in so many ways.

With respect, it sounds very much like YOU do not understand even the basics of the Montessori method, so ragging on "lovers of Montessori" for not knowing it's "original roots and purpose" is a bit rich. It's "original roots and purpose" was to help poor kids in Italy and it's been proven over more than a century to be effective.

Effective in doing what? Pretty much all of the models are "effective," it's just a matter of how a parent wants their child to get there.

And no, it's not for everybody. My son has Asperger's and ADHD, and his therapists unanimously said Montessori was a bad fit. I know plenty of people who aren't sold on the method, and we all totally fit the "profile" of those who should love it.

The pp was trying to say it isn't just for middle-class and upper middle class kids. I actually am annoyed by the whole turn kids into good little bourgeois workers who can arrange flowers, keep their home clean, and move/speak quietly, but that's because I feel comfortable enough in the middle class to despise its materialistic, repressive values.

But I agree it can be a challenge for boys, like mine, who while not officially aspergers or ADHD, certainly trends in that direction. But the curriculum is still working on him - albeit a bit more slowly and less evenly. He LOVES school and would struggle in different ways in a more traditional school. The big pay off is the intrinsic motivation for learning that comes in elementary school.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder if all the lovers of Montessori know it's original roots and purpose? Also, I have heard some lovers of Montessori (leaders of some of the Montessori schools that are so highly sought after in this city) state that Montessori works for ALL children - that is just not true. While I have nothing against Montessori in particular although it was not a program we sought out because we did not think it appropriate for our child, I was pretty horrified when the parent of one Montessori school bragged to me about how the children are learning how to carry a stack of teacups properly. What??!! That really is not what I want a school teaching my AA child who will already be pigeonholed in so many ways.

With respect, it sounds very much like YOU do not understand even the basics of the Montessori method, so ragging on "lovers of Montessori" for not knowing it's "original roots and purpose" is a bit rich. It's "original roots and purpose" was to help poor kids in Italy and it's been proven over more than a century to be effective.

Effective in doing what? Pretty much all of the models are "effective," it's just a matter of how a parent wants their child to get there.

And no, it's not for everybody. My son has Asperger's and ADHD, and his therapists unanimously said Montessori was a bad fit. I know plenty of people who aren't sold on the method, and we all totally fit the "profile" of those who should love it.

The pp was trying to say it isn't just for middle-class and upper middle class kids. I actually am annoyed by the whole turn kids into good little bourgeois workers who can arrange flowers, keep their home clean, and move/speak quietly, but that's because I feel comfortable enough in the middle class to despise its materialistic, repressive values.

But I agree it can be a challenge for boys, like mine, who while not officially aspergers or ADHD, certainly trends in that direction. But the curriculum is still working on him - albeit a bit more slowly and less evenly. He LOVES school and would struggle in different ways in a more traditional school. The big pay off is the intrinsic motivation for learning that comes in elementary school.

I went to regular public school all my life and those are pretty much the same values that you get in traditional school, too... clean up, be quiet, etc. etc. I think that's just school.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder if all the lovers of Montessori know it's original roots and purpose? Also, I have heard some lovers of Montessori (leaders of some of the Montessori schools that are so highly sought after in this city) state that Montessori works for ALL children - that is just not true. While I have nothing against Montessori in particular although it was not a program we sought out because we did not think it appropriate for our child, I was pretty horrified when the parent of one Montessori school bragged to me about how the children are learning how to carry a stack of teacups properly. What??!! That really is not what I want a school teaching my AA child who will already be pigeonholed in so many ways.

With respect, it sounds very much like YOU do not understand even the basics of the Montessori method, so ragging on "lovers of Montessori" for not knowing it's "original roots and purpose" is a bit rich. It's "original roots and purpose" was to help poor kids in Italy and it's been proven over more than a century to be effective.

Effective in doing what? Pretty much all of the models are "effective," it's just a matter of how a parent wants their child to get there.

And no, it's not for everybody. My son has Asperger's and ADHD, and his therapists unanimously said Montessori was a bad fit. I know plenty of people who aren't sold on the method, and we all totally fit the "profile" of those who should love it.

The pp was trying to say it isn't just for middle-class and upper middle class kids. I actually am annoyed by the whole turn kids into good little bourgeois workers who can arrange flowers, keep their home clean, and move/speak quietly, but that's because I feel comfortable enough in the middle class to despise its materialistic, repressive values.

But I agree it can be a challenge for boys, like mine, who while not officially aspergers or ADHD, certainly trends in that direction. But the curriculum is still working on him - albeit a bit more slowly and less evenly. He LOVES school and would struggle in different ways in a more traditional school. The big pay off is the intrinsic motivation for learning that comes in elementary school.

I went to regular public school all my life and those are pretty much the same values that you get in traditional school, too... clean up, be quiet, etc. etc. I think that's just school.

You got lessons in flower arranging? Table washing (not wiping - a specific series of steps and prescribed motions) Ironing? Sewing? Did you practice your quiet, careful walking in class every morning? Did your teacher speak to you always in whispers. There is a calculated inculcation of these values in Montessori that is different than traditional schools that are often based on the assumption that students come to them from middle class homes and thus simply reinforce expectations of clean up and be quiet. I do think that Montessori can be very good for kids from chaotic homes, but unfortunately, we don't yet have the numbers to test this since there aren't many lower ses kids in Montessori schools.