redshirting has a negative effect on student outcomes

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Anonymous wrote:All of these news are reports of published studies, with author names and sources. There is actual research behind these two articles pp linked.

News reports are notoriously and and often wildly inaccurate when reporting study results. I don't trust them without reading the studies myself. Simply putting up a link to a news article does not do much to support your position. Nor does exaggerating study results (for instance, PP above who claimed that the ADHD research showed that redshirting skewed ADHD diagnosis rates).

You can find the studies from the news link. Why do you need other people to do your leg work?

So you do reach conclusions based on cursory media coverage. You anti-redshirt people need to step up your game.

I don't. I read all of these studies before. When I googled it, I simply just linked whatever that contains the study information for you to find them if you like. And this article is linked because some people claims that the redshirting does not impact other kids. Presumably, red shirting would make the on time younger kids look even younger and more likely to be flagged for behavioral issues. That is just common sense, don't you think?

Or is your summer kid would be 5 when starting school, perhaps you should redshirt so they wouldn't risk a faulty ADHD diagnoses? common sense, right?

Precisely. The option is open to all. And thank goodness it is, as not all kids are ready to start K at the same time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All of these news are reports of published studies, with author names and sources. There is actual research behind these two articles pp linked.

News reports are notoriously and and often wildly inaccurate when reporting study results. I don't trust them without reading the studies myself. Simply putting up a link to a news article does not do much to support your position. Nor does exaggerating study results (for instance, PP above who claimed that the ADHD research showed that redshirting skewed ADHD diagnosis rates).

You can find the studies from the news link. Why do you need other people to do your leg work?

So you do reach conclusions based on cursory media coverage. You anti-redshirt people need to step up your game.

I don't. I read all of these studies before. When I googled it, I simply just linked whatever that contains the study information for you to find them if you like. And this article is linked because some people claims that the redshirting does not impact other kids. Presumably, red shirting would make the on time younger kids look even younger and more likely to be flagged for behavioral issues. That is just common sense, don't you think?

Or is your summer kid would be 5 when starting school, perhaps you should redshirt so they wouldn't risk a faulty ADHD diagnoses? common sense, right?

So you accept the premise that redshirting other children may negatively affect your child, but you're still okay with redshirting your child?

Unless schools move start dates, which will move the problem but won't solve it, or somehow enforces all or nearly all children starting on time, then the decisions you make about your children can and will negatively affect others.

[Anonymous]

Unless schools move start dates, which will move the problem but won't solve it, or somehow enforces all or nearly all children starting on time, then the decisions you make about your children can and will negatively affect others.

So, you want people whose kids are not ready to go to K to put their kids there? That will impact the other kids, too. Believe me, kids will be impacted more negatively by children who are not ready for K than those who are.

[Anonymous]

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So you accept the premise that redshirting other children may negatively affect your child, but you're still okay with redshirting your child?

Unless schools move start dates, which will move the problem but won't solve it, or somehow enforces all or nearly all children starting on time, then the decisions you make about your children can and will negatively affect others.

Why do you care? How about you send your child to school at the time you think is right, within the scope of the law; let other people do the same; and stop worrying about other people's decisions?

And no, I didn't redshirt. One child went on time, and the other child went early.

[Anonymous]

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Unless schools move start dates, which will move the problem but won't solve it, or somehow enforces all or nearly all children starting on time, then the decisions you make about your children can and will negatively affect others.

So, you want people whose kids are not ready to go to K to put their kids there? That will impact the other kids, too. Believe me, kids will be impacted more negatively by children who are not ready for K than those who are.

What does it mean to not be ready for kindergarten? Doesn't it actually mean that kindergarten is not ready for all children? There's a very large number of parents of children of spring, summer, and fall children who consider redshirting. If they all advocated for a better kindergarten, then it would no longer be such an issue.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

So you accept the premise that redshirting other children may negatively affect your child, but you're still okay with redshirting your child?

Unless schools move start dates, which will move the problem but won't solve it, or somehow enforces all or nearly all children starting on time, then the decisions you make about your children can and will negatively affect others.

Why do you care? How about you send your child to school at the time you think is right, within the scope of the law; let other people do the same; and stop worrying about other people's decisions?

And no, I didn't redshirt. One child went on time, and the other child went early.

Because of those two studies about ADHD. That's why I care what I and what others do.

[Anonymous]

What does it mean to not be ready for kindergarten? Doesn't it actually mean that kindergarten is not ready for all children? There's a very large number of parents of children of spring, summer, and fall children who consider redshirting. If they all advocated for a better kindergarten, then it would no longer be such an issue.

I think you think that more people redshirt than actually do. I'd really like to see some data on this. Does anyone have it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So you accept the premise that redshirting other children may negatively affect your child, but you're still okay with redshirting your child?

Unless schools move start dates, which will move the problem but won't solve it, or somehow enforces all or nearly all children starting on time, then the decisions you make about your children can and will negatively affect others.

Why do you care? How about you send your child to school at the time you think is right, within the scope of the law; let other people do the same; and stop worrying about other people's decisions?

And no, I didn't redshirt. One child went on time, and the other child went early.

Because of those two studies about ADHD. That's why I care what I and what others do.

That explains why you care what you do about your own kids. It doesn't explain why you care what others do about their own kids, whom they know better than you do.

Or, if you really believe that lots of people are making decisions that harm their own kids, whom they know better than you do, then you should lobby the state to change the school attendance laws.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Students who are old for grade (ie. redshirted) do well at first, but develop complications as they get older. They are more likely to drop out. They are also more likely to commit crimes.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/03/150319124214.htm

wow

Thanks for this.

I'll make SURE to encourage the school to advance my child next year to avoid a criminal lifestyle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People who redshirt their children is another way of them gaming the system.

thanks

and your PhD in educational research is from??????????????

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So you accept the premise that redshirting other children may negatively affect your child, but you're still okay with redshirting your child?

Unless schools move start dates, which will move the problem but won't solve it, or somehow enforces all or nearly all children starting on time, then the decisions you make about your children can and will negatively affect others.

Why do you care? How about you send your child to school at the time you think is right, within the scope of the law; let other people do the same; and stop worrying about other people's decisions?

And no, I didn't redshirt. One child went on time, and the other child went early.

+1

[Anonymous]

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What does it mean to not be ready for kindergarten? Doesn't it actually mean that kindergarten is not ready for all children? There's a very large number of parents of children of spring, summer, and fall children who consider redshirting. If they all advocated for a better kindergarten, then it would no longer be such an issue.

I think you think that more people redshirt than actually do. I'd really like to see some data on this. Does anyone have it?

I agree - I think some people think half of their child's class is redshirted. Maybe in some areas it is more prevalent than others - but I DO NOT believe there are that many redshirted kids in most areas to make a statistical difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

What does it mean to not be ready for kindergarten? Doesn't it actually mean that kindergarten is not ready for all children? There's a very large number of parents of children of spring, summer, and fall children who consider redshirting. If they all advocated for a better kindergarten, then it would no longer be such an issue.

I think you think that more people redshirt than actually do. I'd really like to see some data on this. Does anyone have it?

I agree - I think some people think half of their child's class is redshirted. Maybe in some areas it is more prevalent than others - but I DO NOT believe there are that many redshirted kids in most areas to make a statistical difference.

Not to mention - many kids who are redshirted aren't even ahead of the others academically (or bigger). Generally they were held back for a reason.

[Anonymous]

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Unless schools move start dates, which will move the problem but won't solve it, or somehow enforces all or nearly all children starting on time, then the decisions you make about your children can and will negatively affect others.

So, you want people whose kids are not ready to go to K to put their kids there? That will impact the other kids, too. Believe me, kids will be impacted more negatively by children who are not ready for K than those who are.

My point was the data can support redshirting or not redshiring, depending which way you want to use it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of these news are reports of published studies, with author names and sources. There is actual research behind these two articles pp linked.

News reports are notoriously and and often wildly inaccurate when reporting study results. I don't trust them without reading the studies myself. Simply putting up a link to a news article does not do much to support your position. Nor does exaggerating study results (for instance, PP above who claimed that the ADHD research showed that redshirting skewed ADHD diagnosis rates).

You can find the studies from the news link. Why do you need other people to do your leg work?

So you do reach conclusions based on cursory media coverage. You anti-redshirt people need to step up your game.

I don't. I read all of these studies before. When I googled it, I simply just linked whatever that contains the study information for you to find them if you like. And this article is linked because some people claims that the redshirting does not impact other kids. Presumably, red shirting would make the on time younger kids look even younger and more likely to be flagged for behavioral issues. That is just common sense, don't you think?

Or is your summer kid would be 5 when starting school, perhaps you should redshirt so they wouldn't risk a faulty ADHD diagnoses? common sense, right?

So you accept the premise that redshirting other children may negatively affect your child, but you're still okay with redshirting your child?

Unless schools move start dates, which will move the problem but won't solve it, or somehow enforces all or nearly all children starting on time, then the decisions you make about your children can and will negatively affect others.

You can argue all you want - but parents are going to do what they feel is best for their own child no matter what. Its part of being a parent. Sure I am conscious and considerate of others in my life - but my kid comes first to me. Why wouldn't he?