redshirting has a negative effect on student outcomes

[Anonymous]

More and more research shows the negative outcome of red shirting. Bottom line, parents coddle too much, the kids don't learn to make it in the real world and they don't do well in the long run. Sure they may be bigger and stronger in grade school but kids need to be challenged. Life is too easy early on and then they simply fall apart.

[Anonymous]

More and more research shows the negative outcome of red shirting. Bottom line, parents coddle too much, the kids don't learn to make it in the real world and they don't do well in the long run. Sure they may be bigger and stronger in grade school but kids need to be challenged. Life is too easy early on and then they simply fall apart.

This study does not support that. It has a different goal--it is about crime and poor kids. The conclusion is that we should change the legal age to drop out to a grade.

[Anonymous]

Generalizations never help, especially in this subject area. Its a case by case issue, both in terms of positive and negative outcomes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From the NYT article:

"For most children, that context is the classroom. Disadvantaged children have the most to lose from delayed access to school. For low-income children, every month of additional schooling closes one-tenth of the gap between them and more advantaged students. Even without redshirting, a national trend is afoot to move back the cutoff birthdays for the start of school. Since the early 1970s, the date has shifted by an average of six weeks, to about Oct. 14 from about Nov. 25. This has the effect of making children who would have been the youngest in one grade the oldest in the next-lower grade; it hurts children from low-income families the most"

This is very different from a kid who comes from an advantaged home.

Yes. It doesnt always have to mean a "delay" in schooling. For us, redshirting meant doing an extra year at a great preschool (we were lucky) before kindergarten which meant my summer birthday boy was actually really ready for kindergarten.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Away at college is more appropriate for most 19yr old men - rather than being in high school.

They are ready for more autonomy/adventure, or you'll see problems with authority.

She pronounced from with great authority...

LOLOLOL!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:More and more research shows the negative outcome of red shirting. Bottom line, parents coddle too much, the kids don't learn to make it in the real world and they don't do well in the long run. Sure they may be bigger and stronger in grade school but kids need to be challenged. Life is too easy early on and then they simply fall apart.

Hey, thanks for settling this long-running debate by making up a shit-ton of facts!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More and more research shows the negative outcome of red shirting. Bottom line, parents coddle too much, the kids don't learn to make it in the real world and they don't do well in the long run. Sure they may be bigger and stronger in grade school but kids need to be challenged. Life is too easy early on and then they simply fall apart.

Hey, thanks for settling this long-running debate by making up a shit-ton of facts!

You're welcome and not made up.

[Anonymous]

THIS: The negative outcomes are significantly more likely for children from disadvantaged backgrounds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:More and more research shows the negative outcome of red shirting. Bottom line, parents coddle too much, the kids don't learn to make it in the real world and they don't do well in the long run. Sure they may be bigger and stronger in grade school but kids need to be challenged. Life is too easy early on and then they simply fall apart.

Please cite the "more and more research."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More and more research shows the negative outcome of red shirting. Bottom line, parents coddle too much, the kids don't learn to make it in the real world and they don't do well in the long run. Sure they may be bigger and stronger in grade school but kids need to be challenged. Life is too easy early on and then they simply fall apart.

Hey, thanks for settling this long-running debate by making up a shit-ton of facts!

You're welcome and not made up.

Complete bullshit. You're welcome to not want to redshirt your child, but quit making stuff up about what "happens" to redshirted children.

Or stop asserting and start citing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More and more research shows the negative outcome of red shirting. Bottom line, parents coddle too much, the kids don't learn to make it in the real world and they don't do well in the long run. Sure they may be bigger and stronger in grade school but kids need to be challenged. Life is too easy early on and then they simply fall apart.

Hey, thanks for settling this long-running debate by making up a shit-ton of facts!

You're welcome and not made up.

Please provide precise citations.

Oh wait. You can't. Because you made it up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yep, you convinced me, I am super concerned that my August child who is 2 weeks older than some "on-time" children will have a horrible outcome in life. Worry about your own child and allow parents to make the right decision for their own child.

+1
Can you believe someone is loony enough to "worry" about kids who start school later? Unbelievable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:More and more research shows the negative outcome of red shirting. Bottom line, parents coddle too much, the kids don't learn to make it in the real world and they don't do well in the long run. Sure they may be bigger and stronger in grade school but kids need to be challenged. Life is too easy early on and then they simply fall apart.

Really. Is that why my son who we held back from kindergarten for one year is exactly the same size as his current high school peers? Because we certainly didn't do it for some sort of size/athletic advantage. We did it because he simply wasn't ready to start school. And since we are his parents, we were in the best position of all to decide this. Not you. And not any of this false "research" you're blowing out of your ass to make yourself feel better.

Your post is one of the more asinine ones I've read here on DCUM - and that's saying a LOT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sixteen years ago, the kids who were old for age were the problem kids who flunked 3rd, or who had such serious academic, behavioral, or immaturity issues that holding them back was an obvious choice.

Those are the same kids getting redshirted today, mixed in with the upper and middle class kids whose parents are giving them every advantage.

H
Not a lot has changed in 16 years. Red shirting has been quite popular in the high SES crowd for a while. BTDT

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yep, you convinced me, I am super concerned that my August child who is 2 weeks older than some "on-time" children will have a horrible outcome in life. Worry about your own child and allow parents to make the right decision for their own child.

+1
Can you believe someone is loony enough to "worry" about kids who start school later? Unbelievable.

Duh. Research consistently shows teachers and administrators adjust their expectations towards the average age of the class. This results in a statistically significant increase in add, adhd type labeling of children in the classes having the larger numbers of redshirted kids. Glad kids who need the time get it, but it does impact others...