Should two 12-year-old girls be allowed to go to Maroon Five concert w/o adult and be in "pit"?

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Anonymous wrote:I am a very free range parent, and don't see being groped in a crowd as some horrible tragic event that will traumatize a girl for life, but I also can't see myself allowing it until 14.

So you'd be okay with some stranger putting his hands on your 14 year old because he's sexually turned on by her and feels he has the right to violate her personal space for just a few seconds???

No, sorry if I wasn't clear. I'd be cool with letting her go to a concert, because you can't protect them forever. I am not "okay" with public groping, but I also hope that the kid I raised is resilient enough that when something like that happens to her, she won't be traumatized by it.

You hope?? You may not be able to protect your child forever, but you can certainly take parental precaution to protect a 12 year old.

Um... which is why I wrote that I wouldn't be comfortable with it until 14 or later?

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Anonymous wrote:I am a very free range parent, and don't see being groped in a crowd as some horrible tragic event that will traumatize a girl for life, but I also can't see myself allowing it until 14.

So you'd be okay with some stranger putting his hands on your 14 year old because he's sexually turned on by her and feels he has the right to violate her personal space for just a few seconds???

No, sorry if I wasn't clear. I'd be cool with letting her go to a concert, because you can't protect them forever. I am not "okay" with public groping, but I also hope that the kid I raised is resilient enough that when something like that happens to her, she won't be traumatized by it.

You hope?? You may not be able to protect your child forever, but you can certainly take parental precaution to protect a 12 year old.

Um... which is why I wrote that I wouldn't be comfortable with it until 14 or later?

Right, because the way you raised her has a direct bearing on her ability to cope with sexual assault. Get over yourself.

[Anonymous]

Two 12 year olds alone at concert. Sure, what could go wrong?

Hell no.

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No.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a very free range parent, and don't see being groped in a crowd as some horrible tragic event that will traumatize a girl for life, but I also can't see myself allowing it until 14.

So you'd be okay with some stranger putting his hands on your 14 year old because he's sexually turned on by her and feels he has the right to violate her personal space for just a few seconds???

No, sorry if I wasn't clear. I'd be cool with letting her go to a concert, because you can't protect them forever. I am not "okay" with public groping, but I also hope that the kid I raised is resilient enough that when something like that happens to her, she won't be traumatized by it.

You hope?? You may not be able to protect your child forever, but you can certainly take parental precaution to protect a 12 year old.

Um... which is why I wrote that I wouldn't be comfortable with it until 14 or later?

Right, because the way you raised her has a direct bearing on her ability to cope with sexual assault. Get over yourself.

NP. Um, OF COURSE the way you're raised has a direct bearing on how you cope with bad things in life. Are you crazy? Leave the free range parent alone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am a very free range parent, and don't see being groped in a crowd as some horrible tragic event that will traumatize a girl for life, but I also can't see myself allowing it until 14.

So you'd be okay with some stranger putting his hands on your 14 year old because he's sexually turned on by her and feels he has the right to violate her personal space for just a few seconds???

No, sorry if I wasn't clear. I'd be cool with letting her go to a concert, because you can't protect them forever. I am not "okay" with public groping, but I also hope that the kid I raised is resilient enough that when something like that happens to her, she won't be traumatized by it.

You hope?? You may not be able to protect your child forever, but you can certainly take parental precaution to protect a 12 year old.

Um... which is why I wrote that I wouldn't be comfortable with it until 14 or later?

Right, because the way you raised her has a direct bearing on her ability to cope with sexual assault. Get over yourself.

NP. Um, OF COURSE the way you're raised has a direct bearing on how you cope with bad things in life. Are you crazy? Leave the free range parent alone.

Are you high? Are all those vets with PTSD weak individuals whose parents simply failed to prepare them for the horrors of war?

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Anonymous wrote:I am a very free range parent, and don't see being groped in a crowd as some horrible tragic event that will traumatize a girl for life, but I also can't see myself allowing it until 14.

So you'd be okay with some stranger putting his hands on your 14 year old because he's sexually turned on by her and feels he has the right to violate her personal space for just a few seconds???

No, sorry if I wasn't clear. I'd be cool with letting her go to a concert, because you can't protect them forever. I am not "okay" with public groping, but I also hope that the kid I raised is resilient enough that when something like that happens to her, she won't be traumatized by it.

You hope?? You may not be able to protect your child forever, but you can certainly take parental precaution to protect a 12 year old.

Um... which is why I wrote that I wouldn't be comfortable with it until 14 or later?

Right, because the way you raised her has a direct bearing on her ability to cope with sexual assault. Get over yourself.

NP. Um, OF COURSE the way you're raised has a direct bearing on how you cope with bad things in life. Are you crazy? Leave the free range parent alone.

Are you high? Are all those vets with PTSD weak individuals whose parents simply failed to prepare them for the horrors of war?

Are you seriously comparing being groped (which is wrong and disgusting, but is also something that most women will experience many times in their lifetime, without falling apart emotionally) with the horrors of war (months or years of never ending brutality and mortal danger, being forced to kill people, watching your friends die before your eyes in the worst ways imaginable)

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Anonymous wrote:I am a very free range parent, and don't see being groped in a crowd as some horrible tragic event that will traumatize a girl for life, but I also can't see myself allowing it until 14.

So you'd be okay with some stranger putting his hands on your 14 year old because he's sexually turned on by her and feels he has the right to violate her personal space for just a few seconds???

No, sorry if I wasn't clear. I'd be cool with letting her go to a concert, because you can't protect them forever. I am not "okay" with public groping, but I also hope that the kid I raised is resilient enough that when something like that happens to her, she won't be traumatized by it.

You hope?? You may not be able to protect your child forever, but you can certainly take parental precaution to protect a 12 year old.

Um... which is why I wrote that I wouldn't be comfortable with it until 14 or later?

Right, because the way you raised her has a direct bearing on her ability to cope with sexual assault. Get over yourself.

NP. Um, OF COURSE the way you're raised has a direct bearing on how you cope with bad things in life. Are you crazy? Leave the free range parent alone.

Are you high? Are all those vets with PTSD weak individuals whose parents simply failed to prepare them for the horrors of war?

Are you seriously comparing being groped (which is wrong and disgusting, but is also something that most women will experience many times in their lifetime, without falling apart emotionally) with the horrors of war (months or years of never ending brutality and mortal danger, being forced to kill people, watching your friends die before your eyes in the worst ways imaginable)

No, I'm saying that you cannot predict how anyone will react to a traumatic event. There are genetic and biochemical factors in play. One person might be sexually assaulted and "get past it" and another person might have lifelong problems.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a very free range parent, and don't see being groped in a crowd as some horrible tragic event that will traumatize a girl for life, but I also can't see myself allowing it until 14.

So you'd be okay with some stranger putting his hands on your 14 year old because he's sexually turned on by her and feels he has the right to violate her personal space for just a few seconds???

No, sorry if I wasn't clear. I'd be cool with letting her go to a concert, because you can't protect them forever. I am not "okay" with public groping, but I also hope that the kid I raised is resilient enough that when something like that happens to her, she won't be traumatized by it.

You hope?? You may not be able to protect your child forever, but you can certainly take parental precaution to protect a 12 year old.

Um... which is why I wrote that I wouldn't be comfortable with it until 14 or later?

Right, because the way you raised her has a direct bearing on her ability to cope with sexual assault. Get over yourself.

NP. Um, OF COURSE the way you're raised has a direct bearing on how you cope with bad things in life. Are you crazy? Leave the free range parent alone.

Are you high? Are all those vets with PTSD weak individuals whose parents simply failed to prepare them for the horrors of war?

Are you seriously comparing being groped (which is wrong and disgusting, but is also something that most women will experience many times in their lifetime, without falling apart emotionally) with the horrors of war (months or years of never ending brutality and mortal danger, being forced to kill people, watching your friends die before your eyes in the worst ways imaginable)

No, I'm saying that you cannot predict how anyone will react to a traumatic event. There are genetic and biochemical factors in play. One person might be sexually assaulted and "get past it" and another person might have lifelong problems.

Which is why I said "I hope" not "I'm sure." I will do my best to raise a resilient person who knows what to do in a variety of situations and knows that she can come to me with anything. But the vast majority of people do not fall apart because some idiot tries to put a hand on their boob. It is not a "traumatic event" for anyone but the most sheltered and emotionally fragile.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a very free range parent, and don't see being groped in a crowd as some horrible tragic event that will traumatize a girl for life, but I also can't see myself allowing it until 14.

So you'd be okay with some stranger putting his hands on your 14 year old because he's sexually turned on by her and feels he has the right to violate her personal space for just a few seconds???

No, sorry if I wasn't clear. I'd be cool with letting her go to a concert, because you can't protect them forever. I am not "okay" with public groping, but I also hope that the kid I raised is resilient enough that when something like that happens to her, she won't be traumatized by it.

You hope?? You may not be able to protect your child forever, but you can certainly take parental precaution to protect a 12 year old.

Um... which is why I wrote that I wouldn't be comfortable with it until 14 or later?

Right, because the way you raised her has a direct bearing on her ability to cope with sexual assault. Get over yourself.

NP. Um, OF COURSE the way you're raised has a direct bearing on how you cope with bad things in life. Are you crazy? Leave the free range parent alone.

Are you high? Are all those vets with PTSD weak individuals whose parents simply failed to prepare them for the horrors of war?

Are you seriously comparing being groped (which is wrong and disgusting, but is also something that most women will experience many times in their lifetime, without falling apart emotionally) with the horrors of war (months or years of never ending brutality and mortal danger, being forced to kill people, watching your friends die before your eyes in the worst ways imaginable)

No, I'm saying that you cannot predict how anyone will react to a traumatic event. There are genetic and biochemical factors in play. One person might be sexually assaulted and "get past it" and another person might have lifelong problems.

Which is why I said "I hope" not "I'm sure." I will do my best to raise a resilient person who knows what to do in a variety of situations and knows that she can come to me with anything. But the vast majority of people do not fall apart because some idiot tries to put a hand on their boob. It is not a "traumatic event" for anyone but the most sheltered and emotionally fragile.

Great! I'm sure you'll be there if and when in happens to tell her to get over it.

[Anonymous]

I was always in the pit from about 15yo on, and groping (and pushing, kicking, etc.) was unavoidable. It just wasn't a big deal.

I'd be interested in whether the scarred-for-life contingent even did those things as teenagers.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a very free range parent, and don't see being groped in a crowd as some horrible tragic event that will traumatize a girl for life, but I also can't see myself allowing it until 14.

So you'd be okay with some stranger putting his hands on your 14 year old because he's sexually turned on by her and feels he has the right to violate her personal space for just a few seconds???

No, sorry if I wasn't clear. I'd be cool with letting her go to a concert, because you can't protect them forever. I am not "okay" with public groping, but I also hope that the kid I raised is resilient enough that when something like that happens to her, she won't be traumatized by it.

You hope?? You may not be able to protect your child forever, but you can certainly take parental precaution to protect a 12 year old.

Um... which is why I wrote that I wouldn't be comfortable with it until 14 or later?

Right, because the way you raised her has a direct bearing on her ability to cope with sexual assault. Get over yourself.

NP. Um, OF COURSE the way you're raised has a direct bearing on how you cope with bad things in life. Are you crazy? Leave the free range parent alone.

Are you high? Are all those vets with PTSD weak individuals whose parents simply failed to prepare them for the horrors of war?

Are you seriously comparing being groped (which is wrong and disgusting, but is also something that most women will experience many times in their lifetime, without falling apart emotionally) with the horrors of war (months or years of never ending brutality and mortal danger, being forced to kill people, watching your friends die before your eyes in the worst ways imaginable)

No, I'm saying that you cannot predict how anyone will react to a traumatic event. There are genetic and biochemical factors in play. One person might be sexually assaulted and "get past it" and another person might have lifelong problems.

And environmental factors as well, like the particular type of trauma, and the coping mechanisms the person has developed. If you think parents have no effect on the coping mechanisms of their children, you're really fooling yourself.

[Anonymous]

Weird- my 8th grade daughter was asked earlier today to attend this concert with a friend who had an extra ticket in the pit seating. No one would be chaperoning. I gave her a very firm "no way".

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Anonymous wrote:Weird- my 8th grade daughter was asked earlier today to attend this concert with a friend who had an extra ticket in the pit seating. No one would be chaperoning. I gave her a very firm "no way".

But you gotta give dd points for trying.

[Anonymous]

No, 12 is too young.