daughter upset at al the teachers yelling

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: For example, I was there one day when the kids were lining up for recess (not her class) and the teacher said to get their coats. One boy said he didn't want his so she yelled to get his coat. He had on an undershirt and a long-sleeved shirt so he didn't get it. She yelled again and he said he'd be find without it (and granted it was about 50 degrees, not 20) and she screamed, "I am not ASKING you, i am TELLING to GO GET YOUR COAT NOW!!!!" Totally uncalled for , imo. Why not have him suffer the natural consequences of being cold if he chose not to get it. The point is, I find that the teachers there just want the children to jump and not have a mind of their own. I know that at times children can't be left to make their own decisions but that situation seemed over the top.

OP your story reminded me of a report from 1980 that someone posted on DCUM a while ago, Social Class and the Hidden Curriculum of Work: http://cuip.uchicago.edu/~cac/nlu/fnd504/anyon.htm Read the section on "working class school". Apparently not a lot has changed since 1980.

Not OP, but wow, thanks for this. Fascinating, and it reflects what I see/hear on a daily basis.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She is getting yelled at personally and in a group. The teachers like to be controlling for no apparent reason. For example, I was there one day when the kids were lining up for recess (not her class) and the teacher said to get their coats. One boy said he didn't want his so she yelled to get his coat. He had on an undershirt and a long-sleeved shirt so he didn't get it. She yelled again and he said he'd be find without it (and granted it was about 50 degrees, not 20) and she screamed, "I am not ASKING you, i am TELLING to GO GET YOUR COAT NOW!!!!" Totally uncalled for , imo. Why not have him suffer the natural consequences of being cold if he chose not to get it. The point is, I find that the teachers there just want the children to jump and not have a mind of their own. I know that at times children can't be left to make their own decisions but that situation seemed over the top.

She gets yelled at for any number of things like this I suspect.

There is just no excuse for this. All the Capitol Hill parents know about yelling in DCPS, but have come to accept it as the price of living on the Hill and going to public school. One might think Janney could be held to higher expectations, but honestly in my conversations with Janney parents I'm not at all surprised. There's really no acceptable reason for an unskilled (obviously!) young teacher to be collecting a (relatively) high salary for screaming at 6 year-olds. Sorry, there's just not. In a nutshell, we're talking about one of the best DCPS schools and this is nothing but pathetic.

This Capitol Hill parent has yet to witness any issue with yelling at our IB school over the course of the past five years. Indeed, DC almost certainly would have reported this type of behavior back to us. Yes, we have one older teacher who can get impatient and be short at times, but there is no systemic issue at our school. Were we to witness or even hear about abusive or inappropriate behavior from teachers or aftercare staff, our first stop would be the doorway to the principal's office. So, no, this is not a universal experience, much less the price of living on the Hill.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: For example, I was there one day when the kids were lining up for recess (not her class) and the teacher said to get their coats. One boy said he didn't want his so she yelled to get his coat. He had on an undershirt and a long-sleeved shirt so he didn't get it. She yelled again and he said he'd be find without it (and granted it was about 50 degrees, not 20) and she screamed, "I am not ASKING you, i am TELLING to GO GET YOUR COAT NOW!!!!" Totally uncalled for , imo. Why not have him suffer the natural consequences of being cold if he chose not to get it. The point is, I find that the teachers there just want the children to jump and not have a mind of their own. I know that at times children can't be left to make their own decisions but that situation seemed over the top.

OP your story reminded me of a report from 1980 that someone posted on DCUM a while ago, Social Class and the Hidden Curriculum of Work: http://cuip.uchicago.edu/~cac/nlu/fnd504/anyon.htm Read the section on "working class school". Apparently not a lot has changed since 1980.

Not OP, but wow, thanks for this. Fascinating, and it reflects what I see/hear on a daily basis.

That is really interesting and not surprising at all unfortunately. OP you need to be janney to let you in. This article really sums ups concerns about sending my kid to a school that is all low income and primarily ESL students. The culture of low expectations from DCPS is not what I want for my kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No yelling in anger is acceptable ever at school. Shouldn't happen. It's completely unprofessional. No way. If the principal isn't handling it take it the next level of administration.

We left DCPS bc of the yelling/ tone of voice, among other things. My child was stunned by how no one yells at his new school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She is getting yelled at personally and in a group. The teachers like to be controlling for no apparent reason. For example, I was there one day when the kids were lining up for recess (not her class) and the teacher said to get their coats. One boy said he didn't want his so she yelled to get his coat. He had on an undershirt and a long-sleeved shirt so he didn't get it. She yelled again and he said he'd be find without it (and granted it was about 50 degrees, not 20) and she screamed, "I am not ASKING you, i am TELLING to GO GET YOUR COAT NOW!!!!" Totally uncalled for , imo. Why not have him suffer the natural consequences of being cold if he chose not to get it. The point is, I find that the teachers there just want the children to jump and not have a mind of their own. I know that at times children can't be left to make their own decisions but that situation seemed over the top.

She gets yelled at for any number of things like this I suspect.

There is just no excuse for this. All the Capitol Hill parents know about yelling in DCPS, but have come to accept it as the price of living on the Hill and going to public school. One might think Janney could be held to higher expectations, but honestly in my conversations with Janney parents I'm not at all surprised. There's really no acceptable reason for an unskilled (obviously!) young teacher to be collecting a (relatively) high salary for screaming at 6 year-olds. Sorry, there's just not. In a nutshell, we're talking about one of the best DCPS schools and this is nothing but pathetic.

This Capitol Hill parent has yet to witness any issue with yelling at our IB school over the course of the past five years. Indeed, DC almost certainly would have reported this type of behavior back to us. Yes, we have one older teacher who can get impatient and be short at times, but there is no systemic issue at our school. Were we to witness or even hear about abusive or inappropriate behavior from teachers or aftercare staff, our first stop would be the doorway to the principal's office. So, no, this is not a universal experience, much less the price of living on the Hill.

Maybe the original post should have specified "at every Capitol Hill school outside of Brent"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No yelling in anger is acceptable ever at school. Shouldn't happen. It's completely unprofessional. No way. If the principal isn't handling it take it the next level of administration.

We left DCPS bc of the yelling/ tone of voice, among other things. My child was stunned by how no one yells at his new school.

Who do you parents think you are??? What are you going to do- email Kaya Henderson about the fact that your kid reports that a teacher is yelling??? Maybe- just maybe your kid is making shit up. Maybe, he/she got in trouble and knows that you helicopter parents will immediately go on the attack. Holy crap.

[Anonymous]

I think you should go in and yell at the teacher.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No yelling in anger is acceptable ever at school. Shouldn't happen. It's completely unprofessional. No way. If the principal isn't handling it take it the next level of administration.

We left DCPS bc of the yelling/ tone of voice, among other things. My child was stunned by how no one yells at his new school.

Who do you parents think you are??? What are you going to do- email Kaya Henderson about the fact that your kid reports that a teacher is yelling??? Maybe- just maybe your kid is making shit up. Maybe, he/she got in trouble and knows that you helicopter parents will immediately go on the attack. Holy crap.

You clearly haven't spent a lot of time in too many DCPS schools. It's a huge problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No yelling in anger is acceptable ever at school. Shouldn't happen. It's completely unprofessional. No way. If the principal isn't handling it take it the next level of administration.

We left DCPS bc of the yelling/ tone of voice, among other things. My child was stunned by how no one yells at his new school.

Who do you parents think you are??? What are you going to do- email Kaya Henderson about the fact that your kid reports that a teacher is yelling??? Maybe- just maybe your kid is making shit up. Maybe, he/she got in trouble and knows that you helicopter parents will immediately go on the attack. Holy crap.

You clearly haven't spent a lot of time in too many DCPS schools. It's a huge problem.

Weird. We're at a Title I school and have not witnessed any yelling. And I have been there in the morning, middle of the day, and during pick up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No yelling in anger is acceptable ever at school. Shouldn't happen. It's completely unprofessional. No way. If the principal isn't handling it take it the next level of administration.

We left DCPS bc of the yelling/ tone of voice, among other things. My child was stunned by how no one yells at his new school.

Who do you parents think you are??? What are you going to do- email Kaya Henderson about the fact that your kid reports that a teacher is yelling??? Maybe- just maybe your kid is making shit up. Maybe, he/she got in trouble and knows that you helicopter parents will immediately go on the attack. Holy crap.

You clearly haven't spent a lot of time in too many DCPS schools. It's a huge problem.

Weird. We're at a Title I school and have not witnessed any yelling. And I have been there in the morning, middle of the day, and during pick up.

Well, you're lucky. Also, many of the perpetrators of the yelling may be aging out. It's sort of a generational thing. After the first round of Michelle Rhee school closings a few years back, several excised teachers who could not find jobs in the system were "gifted" to various schools. Our very new and naive principal took one not understanding the implications of accepting the gift (i.e. the yeller was now on the school's payroll). This teacher screamed so much that when she was assigned to be a regular first grade teacher the following year, the parents led an active revolt and said that they would pull their kids before they let her teach them. Fortunately, the principal only lasted a year and the new principal shunted the yeller off to some "support" position and then axed her in the budget layoff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No yelling in anger is acceptable ever at school. Shouldn't happen. It's completely unprofessional. No way. If the principal isn't handling it take it the next level of administration.

We left DCPS bc of the yelling/ tone of voice, among other things. My child was stunned by how no one yells at his new school.

Who do you parents think you are??? What are you going to do- email Kaya Henderson about the fact that your kid reports that a teacher is yelling??? Maybe- just maybe your kid is making shit up. Maybe, he/she got in trouble and knows that you helicopter parents will immediately go on the attack. Holy crap.

You clearly haven't spent a lot of time in too many DCPS schools. It's a huge problem.

Weird. We're at a Title I school and have not witnessed any yelling. And I have been there in the morning, middle of the day, and during pick up.

My DD at a DCPS school said the math teacher called a kid an idiot during class. Nice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No yelling in anger is acceptable ever at school. Shouldn't happen. It's completely unprofessional. No way. If the principal isn't handling it take it the next level of administration.

We left DCPS bc of the yelling/ tone of voice, among other things. My child was stunned by how no one yells at his new school.

Who do you parents think you are??? What are you going to do- email Kaya Henderson about the fact that your kid reports that a teacher is yelling??? Maybe- just maybe your kid is making shit up. Maybe, he/she got in trouble and knows that you helicopter parents will immediately go on the attack. Holy crap.

You clearly haven't spent a lot of time in too many DCPS schools. It's a huge problem.

Weird. We're at a Title I school and have not witnessed any yelling. And I have been there in the morning, middle of the day, and during pick up.

Well, you're lucky. Also, many of the perpetrators of the yelling may be aging out. It's sort of a generational thing. After the first round of Michelle Rhee school closings a few years back, several excised teachers who could not find jobs in the system were "gifted" to various schools. Our very new and naive principal took one not understanding the implications of accepting the gift (i.e. the yeller was now on the school's payroll). This teacher screamed so much that when she was assigned to be a regular first grade teacher the following year, the parents led an active revolt and said that they would pull their kids before they let her teach them. Fortunately, the principal only lasted a year and the new principal shunted the yeller off to some "support" position and then axed her in the budget layoff.

Cool story. You got a teacher fired because your kids said she was mean. Please tell me about the other revolts you have lead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No yelling in anger is acceptable ever at school. Shouldn't happen. It's completely unprofessional. No way. If the principal isn't handling it take it the next level of administration.

We left DCPS bc of the yelling/ tone of voice, among other things. My child was stunned by how no one yells at his new school.

Who do you parents think you are??? What are you going to do- email Kaya Henderson about the fact that your kid reports that a teacher is yelling??? Maybe- just maybe your kid is making shit up. Maybe, he/she got in trouble and knows that you helicopter parents will immediately go on the attack. Holy crap.

You clearly haven't spent a lot of time in too many DCPS schools. It's a huge problem.

Weird. We're at a Title I school and have not witnessed any yelling. And I have been there in the morning, middle of the day, and during pick up.

Well, you're lucky. Also, many of the perpetrators of the yelling may be aging out. It's sort of a generational thing. After the first round of Michelle Rhee school closings a few years back, several excised teachers who could not find jobs in the system were "gifted" to various schools. Our very new and naive principal took one not understanding the implications of accepting the gift (i.e. the yeller was now on the school's payroll). This teacher screamed so much that when she was assigned to be a regular first grade teacher the following year, the parents led an active revolt and said that they would pull their kids before they let her teach them. Fortunately, the principal only lasted a year and the new principal shunted the yeller off to some "support" position and then axed her in the budget layoff.

Cool story. You got a teacher fired because your kids said she was mean. Please tell me about the other revolts you have lead.

Well, there was that one time in Cuba...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No yelling in anger is acceptable ever at school. Shouldn't happen. It's completely unprofessional. No way. If the principal isn't handling it take it the next level of administration.

We left DCPS bc of the yelling/ tone of voice, among other things. My child was stunned by how no one yells at his new school.

Who do you parents think you are??? What are you going to do- email Kaya Henderson about the fact that your kid reports that a teacher is yelling??? Maybe- just maybe your kid is making shit up. Maybe, he/she got in trouble and knows that you helicopter parents will immediately go on the attack. Holy crap.

You clearly haven't spent a lot of time in too many DCPS schools. It's a huge problem.

Weird. We're at a Title I school and have not witnessed any yelling. And I have been there in the morning, middle of the day, and during pick up.

Well, you're lucky. Also, many of the perpetrators of the yelling may be aging out. It's sort of a generational thing. After the first round of Michelle Rhee school closings a few years back, several excised teachers who could not find jobs in the system were "gifted" to various schools. Our very new and naive principal took one not understanding the implications of accepting the gift (i.e. the yeller was now on the school's payroll). This teacher screamed so much that when she was assigned to be a regular first grade teacher the following year, the parents led an active revolt and said that they would pull their kids before they let her teach them. Fortunately, the principal only lasted a year and the new principal shunted the yeller off to some "support" position and then axed her in the budget layoff.

Cool story. You got a teacher fired because your kids said she was mean. Please tell me about the other revolts you have lead.

What, are you from the teacher's union? This does not sound like the story of a single child making an unfounded accusation, if a teacher yell people hear it. A teacher that habitually yells at students should not be teaching at all, let alone first graders.

[Anonymous]

Wait. The OP isn't talking about the classroom teachers. She is talking about recess monitors and aftercare staff.

No need to bash actual teachers, PP.