Why do people in the Real Estate forum rag on Washington Lee HS?

[Anonymous]

It simply isn't true that there is a "majority negative perception" of WL -- or maybe the hundreds of people I know and talk to just aren't part of that majority. The Arlington magazine article was very interesting. I personally don't care about things like Ivy admits (knowing there are LOTS of great schools out there) -- and every class is different, so some years one school will "outperform" another -- but for 2014 class: W/L had 9 Ivy admits; Yorktown had 4. W/L had 3 kids admitted to Duke; Ytown had 0 (though 9 applied). Ytown got one kid into Stanford; WL had none. UVA: WL 41, Ytown 35. William and Mary: WL 34, Ytown 25. The point here is that this debate is just silly. They are both great schools -- just depends what you are looking for.

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The last Arlington magazine survey I read had more W-L (and Wakefield) kids going on to elite schools than Yorktown did. (HBW beat us too.)

Be careful about the Arlington Magazine survey. It was all self-reported data. You would need the Naviance numbers to really know application and acceptance rates.

Admissions bounce around from year to year, particularly if you define "elite" schools as Ivies and Ivy equivalents, where admissions is a crapshoot. Yorktown always has higher average SATs than W-L and this year had almost twice as many National Merit Semifinalists. Overall, more Yorktown students will be applying to and attending selective schools.

Do you think these differences have a meaningful impact on students? That's what OP was asking about, and it remains a good question. Yorktown had 11 NMSFs this year and W-L had 6. There were less than 400 in all of Virginia, so most high schools in the state didn't have ANY. Is 6 versus 11 a terrible thing? As someone else pointed out, 96% of kids at Yorktown go to college and 91% of kids at W-L do. Do you think that five percent means the kids at W-L are getting a materially less good education? If so, YOU ARE AN IDIOT.

I was responding to the poster who suggested W-L and Wakefield have more kids going to "elite" schools than Yorktown, by putting it in context. People can reasonably differ as to which schools are "elite," but it's a statement of fact that Yorktown has a larger cohort of students scoring well on their SATs and heading off to selective universities.

I didn't say a thing about whether W-L students receive a "materially less good education." You sound like you need some professional help.

I don't need professional help, it's the people who a) spend hundreds of thousands of dollars more on a house to get in the Yorktown district because they couldn't bear to send their kids to W-L, two miles away and b) go on sites like DCUM to complain about W-L that do. There is no real difference between sending your kid to a school where 95% of kids go to college, 30% to elite schools, and a school where 90% of kids go to college, 25% to elite schools.

To put is another way, there is a difference between 200 NMSFs at TJ and 11 at Yorktown. There is no real difference between 11 at Yorktown and 6 at W-L. The more "evidence" people provide, the weaker the argument seems.

Let's get one thing straight. My house in W-L district would be MUCH cheaper if located in YHS district. It costs much more per square footage in Lyon Village, Lyon Park, Ashton Heights, Maywood, etc. The $2 million houses over here would be $1.3-1.4 in YHS/22207. There is a 'location' premium over here. I could have more bedroom and much bigger lot for the price paid here.

Not complaining. Just pointing out the stupidity that it costs more for YHS.

I am an expert in new construction pricing and yorktown homes are not cheaper. You don't know what you are talking about. You trade proximity to DC for a larger lots and nicer neighborhoods in yorktown zones.

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Anonymous wrote:It simply isn't true that there is a "majority negative perception" of WL -- or maybe the hundreds of people I know and talk to just aren't part of that majority. The Arlington magazine article was very interesting. I personally don't care about things like Ivy admits (knowing there are LOTS of great schools out there) -- and every class is different, so some years one school will "outperform" another -- but for 2014 class: W/L had 9 Ivy admits; Yorktown had 4. W/L had 3 kids admitted to Duke; Ytown had 0 (though 9 applied). Ytown got one kid into Stanford; WL had none. UVA: WL 41, Ytown 35. William and Mary: WL 34, Ytown 25. The point here is that this debate is just silly. They are both great schools -- just depends what you are looking for.

Do you really think that an Arlington Resident or Arlington Magazine will say anything negative about one of the three public schools? Please you are just silly.

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The last Arlington magazine survey I read had more W-L (and Wakefield) kids going on to elite schools than Yorktown did. (HBW beat us too.)

Be careful about the Arlington Magazine survey. It was all self-reported data. You would need the Naviance numbers to really know application and acceptance rates.

Admissions bounce around from year to year, particularly if you define "elite" schools as Ivies and Ivy equivalents, where admissions is a crapshoot. Yorktown always has higher average SATs than W-L and this year had almost twice as many National Merit Semifinalists. Overall, more Yorktown students will be applying to and attending selective schools.

Do you think these differences have a meaningful impact on students? That's what OP was asking about, and it remains a good question. Yorktown had 11 NMSFs this year and W-L had 6. There were less than 400 in all of Virginia, so most high schools in the state didn't have ANY. Is 6 versus 11 a terrible thing? As someone else pointed out, 96% of kids at Yorktown go to college and 91% of kids at W-L do. Do you think that five percent means the kids at W-L are getting a materially less good education? If so, YOU ARE AN IDIOT.

I was responding to the poster who suggested W-L and Wakefield have more kids going to "elite" schools than Yorktown, by putting it in context. People can reasonably differ as to which schools are "elite," but it's a statement of fact that Yorktown has a larger cohort of students scoring well on their SATs and heading off to selective universities.

I didn't say a thing about whether W-L students receive a "materially less good education." You sound like you need some professional help.

I don't need professional help, it's the people who a) spend hundreds of thousands of dollars more on a house to get in the Yorktown district because they couldn't bear to send their kids to W-L, two miles away and b) go on sites like DCUM to complain about W-L that do. There is no real difference between sending your kid to a school where 95% of kids go to college, 30% to elite schools, and a school where 90% of kids go to college, 25% to elite schools.

To put is another way, there is a difference between 200 NMSFs at TJ and 11 at Yorktown. There is no real difference between 11 at Yorktown and 6 at W-L. The more "evidence" people provide, the weaker the argument seems.

Let's get one thing straight. My house in W-L district would be MUCH cheaper if located in YHS district. It costs much more per square footage in Lyon Village, Lyon Park, Ashton Heights, Maywood, etc. The $2 million houses over here would be $1.3-1.4 in YHS/22207. There is a 'location' premium over here. I could have more bedroom and much bigger lot for the price paid here.

Not complaining. Just pointing out the stupidity that it costs more for YHS.

Exactly. I was confused about this as well. Thanks for setting it straight.

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12:19 of course not. That's not the point. The magazine simply listed how many kids applied to colleges and how many got in. This year, it appears W/L had more admits to schools people on this forum seem to carry about. Just some data.

[Anonymous]

Let's get one thing straight. My house in W-L district would be MUCH cheaper if located in YHS district. It costs much more per square footage in Lyon Village, Lyon Park, Ashton Heights, Maywood, etc. The $2 million houses over here would be $1.3-1.4 in YHS/22207. There is a 'location' premium over here. I could have more bedroom and much bigger lot for the price paid here.

Not complaining. Just pointing out the stupidity that it costs more for YHS.

Not true for CCH. We looked in both locations and it was a wash.

[Anonymous]

Interesting article: http://www.arlingtonmagazine.com/September-October-2014/Under-Pressure/?cparticle=1&siarticle=0

Quite honestly, I didn't think either Yorktown or W-L came off particularly well in this piece.

[Anonymous]

Let's get one thing straight. My house in W-L district would be MUCH cheaper if located in YHS district. It costs much more per square footage in Lyon Village, Lyon Park, Ashton Heights, Maywood, etc. The $2 million houses over here would be $1.3-1.4 in YHS/22207. There is a 'location' premium over here. I could have more bedroom and much bigger lot for the price paid here.

Not complaining. Just pointing out the stupidity that it costs more for YHS.

From another thread in the Real Estate forum. Do you think that someone not interested in the "location" of this house would have paid over $1M for this tired, small rambler?
https://www.redfin.com/VA/Arlington/4764-33rd-St-N-22207/home/11230118

Perhaps folks wouldn't be so gleeful when they point out W&L's perceived deficits if its supporters weren't so shrill?

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Let's get one thing straight. My house in W-L district would be MUCH cheaper if located in YHS district. It costs much more per square footage in Lyon Village, Lyon Park, Ashton Heights, Maywood, etc. The $2 million houses over here would be $1.3-1.4 in YHS/22207. There is a 'location' premium over here. I could have more bedroom and much bigger lot for the price paid here.

Not complaining. Just pointing out the stupidity that it costs more for YHS.

From another thread in the Real Estate forum. Do you think that someone not interested in the "location" of this house would have paid over $1M for this tired, small rambler?
https://www.redfin.com/VA/Arlington/4764-33rd-St-N-22207/home/11230118

Perhaps folks wouldn't be so gleeful when they point out W&L's perceived deficits if its supporters weren't so shrill?

Empty lots have sold for over 1 million over here. There is a $1.2 million knock down.

I am a realtor in the area.

[Anonymous]

Empty lots have sold for over 1 million over here. There is a $1.2 million knock down.

I am a realtor in the area.

This is true for CCH as well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the real estate poster who goes off on WL lives in another district that also has an IB program. Just trying to knock the competition. Most people I know in Arlington don't have anything negative to say about WL. She may be somehow related to the poster who thinks Pimmit Hills is the only decent place worth living.

You can't base what people say who live in Arlington because they are biased. There is definitely a majority negative perception of WL and it's many people not just one or two.

who are these many people? I haven't met any IRL. Just one (or two?) Yorktown boosters on DCUM.

[Anonymous]

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Empty lots have sold for over 1 million over here. There is a $1.2 million knock down.

I am a realtor in the area.

This is true for CCH as well.

Proving people will pay good money to live where THEY want to live and send their kids to school where THEY want to send them.

One doesn't need to trash a school to justify THEIR real estate investment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Let's get one thing straight. My house in W-L district would be MUCH cheaper if located in YHS district. It costs much more per square footage in Lyon Village, Lyon Park, Ashton Heights, Maywood, etc. The $2 million houses over here would be $1.3-1.4 in YHS/22207. There is a 'location' premium over here. I could have more bedroom and much bigger lot for the price paid here.

Not complaining. Just pointing out the stupidity that it costs more for YHS.

From another thread in the Real Estate forum. Do you think that someone not interested in the "location" of this house would have paid over $1M for this tired, small rambler?
https://www.redfin.com/VA/Arlington/4764-33rd-St-N-22207/home/11230118

Perhaps folks wouldn't be so gleeful when they point out W&L's perceived deficits if its supporters weren't so shrill?

LOL - now you just sound bitter. Why do you care so much?! Let it go! Let it go...

[Anonymous]

Let's get one thing straight. My house in W-L district would be MUCH cheaper if located in YHS district. It costs much more per square footage in Lyon Village, Lyon Park, Ashton Heights, Maywood, etc. The $2 million houses over here would be $1.3-1.4 in YHS/22207. There is a 'location' premium over here. I could have more bedroom and much bigger lot for the price paid here.

Not complaining. Just pointing out the stupidity that it costs more for YHS.


From another thread in the Real Estate forum. Do you think that someone not interested in the "location" of this house would have paid over $1M for this tired, small rambler?
https://www.redfin.com/VA/Arlington/4764-33rd-St-N-22207/home/11230118

Perhaps folks wouldn't be so gleeful when they point out W&L's perceived deficits if its supporters weren't so shrill?


LOL - now you just sound bitter. Why do you care so much?! Let it go! Let it go...

Not bitter. Just sick of the cray-cray.

[Anonymous]

WL is considered 3rd tier just get over it and move on with your life.