Explain the Barnard/Columbia consortium to me

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Barnard College is NOT = Columbia College

BUT

Barnard College = Columbia University

This. Theories of formal logic notwithstanding, in this unique case, this is absolutely correct. See, Columbia University Charter at Section 230 et seq.

OK, go ahead and tell everybody you went to Columbia, and don't breathe a word about your Barnard past. See what happens when they find out.

In this case, common sense wins the day.

Sigh. I didn't go to Barnard. But this thread is really interesting because it seems to have drawn out some disproportionate passion. So I called Columbia and asked if it would be unfair to simply use "Columbia" as short-hand (understanding that the formal resume text would be Barnard College of Columbia University). Columbia said, sure, people do that, and Columbia certainly doesn't dispute that a Barnard degree is a Columbia degree (and a Barnard alum is an alum of Columbia University).

You called Columbia???!!!

A better use of your time might have been to call a hiring manager somewhere, and ask how they would feel if they found out their Columbia grad was actually a Barnard grad. Would they feel they had been deceived, or would they be OK with it?

[Anonymous]

I don't think Columbia is alone in having different admission standards for different colleges within the university. Hiring professionals are typically interested in knowing WHAT you studied in addition to WHERE you studied. I, for one, would be more impressed by an EE degree from Penn State than an Art History major from Columbia or Hotel Management major form Cornell (unless I was hiring for those niche professions).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't think Columbia is alone in having different admission standards for different colleges within the university. Hiring professionals are typically interested in knowing WHAT you studied in addition to WHERE you studied. I, for one, would be more impressed by an EE degree from Penn State than an Art History major from Columbia or Hotel Management major form Cornell (unless I was hiring for those niche professions).

Any high-end placement contact knows that Art History at Columbia is positively brutal. Hardest, by far, non-sci degree in the University. Murder. And any high-end placement contact knows that Hotel Mgt at Cornell is actually an undergrad business degree with a large standard lib-arts component (just like Cornell's NYS-assisted Industrial and Labor Relations school); you get maybe three actual courses in the hospitality industry (and at ILR, maybe 4 actual HR-related courses out of the total 32-34 in HR).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think Columbia is alone in having different admission standards for different colleges within the university. Hiring professionals are typically interested in knowing WHAT you studied in addition to WHERE you studied. I, for one, would be more impressed by an EE degree from Penn State than an Art History major from Columbia or Hotel Management major form Cornell (unless I was hiring for those niche professions).

Any high-end placement contact knows that Art History at Columbia is positively brutal. Hardest, by far, non-sci degree in the University. Murder. And any high-end placement contact knows that Hotel Mgt at Cornell is actually an undergrad business degree with a large standard lib-arts component (just like Cornell's NYS-assisted Industrial and Labor Relations school); you get maybe three actual courses in the hospitality industry (and at ILR, maybe 4 actual HR-related courses out of the total 32-34 in HR).

+1. I'm also familiar with both of these programs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think Columbia is alone in having different admission standards for different colleges within the university. Hiring professionals are typically interested in knowing WHAT you studied in addition to WHERE you studied. I, for one, would be more impressed by an EE degree from Penn State than an Art History major from Columbia or Hotel Management major form Cornell (unless I was hiring for those niche professions).

Any high-end placement contact knows that Art History at Columbia is positively brutal. Hardest, by far, non-sci degree in the University. Murder. And any high-end placement contact knows that Hotel Mgt at Cornell is actually an undergrad business degree with a large standard lib-arts component (just like Cornell's NYS-assisted Industrial and Labor Relations school); you get maybe three actual courses in the hospitality industry (and at ILR, maybe 4 actual HR-related courses out of the total 32-34 in HR).

and . . .

it's still an Art History degree. Art history.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think Columbia is alone in having different admission standards for different colleges within the university. Hiring professionals are typically interested in knowing WHAT you studied in addition to WHERE you studied. I, for one, would be more impressed by an EE degree from Penn State than an Art History major from Columbia or Hotel Management major form Cornell (unless I was hiring for those niche professions).

Any high-end placement contact knows that Art History at Columbia is positively brutal. Hardest, by far, non-sci degree in the University. Murder. And any high-end placement contact knows that Hotel Mgt at Cornell is actually an undergrad business degree with a large standard lib-arts component (just like Cornell's NYS-assisted Industrial and Labor Relations school); you get maybe three actual courses in the hospitality industry (and at ILR, maybe 4 actual HR-related courses out of the total 32-34 in HR).

and . . .

it's still an Art History degree. Art history.

and ... if you want to work at a museum, nothing else will do. Also helpful at auction houses, design firms, for teaching. You're apparently sneering about the money, but money isn't everything to many of us!

[Anonymous]

How did this thread start out with a reasonable question (Barnard-Columbia relationship) and spin into Ivy-obsessed PPs wanting to know if Barnard is a backdoor in, and other PPs denigrating art history degrees? Oh right, it's DCUM!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think Columbia is alone in having different admission standards for different colleges within the university. Hiring professionals are typically interested in knowing WHAT you studied in addition to WHERE you studied. I, for one, would be more impressed by an EE degree from Penn State than an Art History major from Columbia or Hotel Management major form Cornell (unless I was hiring for those niche professions).

Any high-end placement contact knows that Art History at Columbia is positively brutal. Hardest, by far, non-sci degree in the University. Murder. And any high-end placement contact knows that Hotel Mgt at Cornell is actually an undergrad business degree with a large standard lib-arts component (just like Cornell's NYS-assisted Industrial and Labor Relations school); you get maybe three actual courses in the hospitality industry (and at ILR, maybe 4 actual HR-related courses out of the total 32-34 in HR).

and . . .

it's still an Art History degree. Art history.

and ... if you want to work at a museum, nothing else will do. Also helpful at auction houses, design firms, for teaching. You're apparently sneering about the money, but money isn't everything to many of us!

It's not just money. There aren't many jobs - like a position in a symphony you have to wait for someone to die or build a museum. Good luck.

Like PP, I'm more impressed by an EE degree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think Columbia is alone in having different admission standards for different colleges within the university. Hiring professionals are typically interested in knowing WHAT you studied in addition to WHERE you studied. I, for one, would be more impressed by an EE degree from Penn State than an Art History major from Columbia or Hotel Management major form Cornell (unless I was hiring for those niche professions).

Any high-end placement contact knows that Art History at Columbia is positively brutal. Hardest, by far, non-sci degree in the University. Murder. And any high-end placement contact knows that Hotel Mgt at Cornell is actually an undergrad business degree with a large standard lib-arts component (just like Cornell's NYS-assisted Industrial and Labor Relations school); you get maybe three actual courses in the hospitality industry (and at ILR, maybe 4 actual HR-related courses out of the total 32-34 in HR).

and . . .

it's still an Art History degree. Art history.

and ... if you want to work at a museum, nothing else will do. Also helpful at auction houses, design firms, for teaching. You're apparently sneering about the money, but money isn't everything to many of us!

It's not just money. There aren't many jobs - like a position in a symphony you have to wait for someone to die or build a museum. Good luck.

Like PP, I'm more impressed by an EE degree.

Are you not aware of what a liberal arts degree is? The major field of study is not vocational per se. (from an Art History concentrator now very successful, and not working in any related field).

[Anonymous]

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It's not just money. There aren't many jobs - like a position in a symphony you have to wait for someone to die or build a museum. Good luck.

Like PP, I'm more impressed by an EE degree.

Are you not aware of what a liberal arts degree is? The major field of study is not vocational per se. (from an Art History concentrator now very successful, and not working in any related field).


+1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It's not just money. There aren't many jobs - like a position in a symphony you have to wait for someone to die or build a museum. Good luck.

Like PP, I'm more impressed by an EE degree.

Are you not aware of what a liberal arts degree is? The major field of study is not vocational per se. (from an Art History concentrator now very successful, and not working in any related field).

+1.

Just go to your local barista who will be happy to fill you in on liberal arts degrees.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think Columbia is alone in having different admission standards for different colleges within the university. Hiring professionals are typically interested in knowing WHAT you studied in addition to WHERE you studied. I, for one, would be more impressed by an EE degree from Penn State than an Art History major from Columbia or Hotel Management major form Cornell (unless I was hiring for those niche professions).

Any high-end placement contact knows that Art History at Columbia is positively brutal. Hardest, by far, non-sci degree in the University. Murder. And any high-end placement contact knows that Hotel Mgt at Cornell is actually an undergrad business degree with a large standard lib-arts component (just like Cornell's NYS-assisted Industrial and Labor Relations school); you get maybe three actual courses in the hospitality industry (and at ILR, maybe 4 actual HR-related courses out of the total 32-34 in HR).

and . . .

it's still an Art History degree. Art history.

and ... if you want to work at a museum, nothing else will do. Also helpful at auction houses, design firms, for teaching. You're apparently sneering about the money, but money isn't everything to many of us!

It's not just money. There aren't many jobs - like a position in a symphony you have to wait for someone to die or build a museum. Good luck.

Like PP, I'm more impressed by an EE degree.

+1