Explain the Barnard/Columbia consortium to me

[Anonymous]

Not a consortium. You get a degree from your college (BC, CC, Engineering, GS). Your diploma says where you graduated.

My CV says Columbia College, Columbia University. NO ONE writes "Columbia University" when they went to Barnard.

When people say "where did you go"? You answer "Barnard" if Barnard, and "Columbia" if you went to the college.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When Columbia was still all male, Columbia sought a merger with Barnard, bit Barnyard declined due to Columbia's poor financial condition! Today, Barnard and students to state "Barnard College, Columbia University" or "Barnard College of Columbia University" on résumés.

Bet wrong, it seems.

Actually, it was more complicated. Barnard and Columbia couldn't work out the money, but they also couldn't work out a way for Barnard to keep its identity - anyone remember Radcliffe or Pembroke? Not a future Barnard wanted. Having gone there (CC '88) I can tell you that the culture was very different on the other side of Broadway. I personally enjoyed having access to the SLAC environment for language classes and certain intro classes and being able to take classes with faculty tenured to the University (grad school, research profs) for some of my other classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not a consortium. You get a degree from your college (BC, CC, Engineering, GS). Your diploma says where you graduated.

My CV says Columbia College, Columbia University. NO ONE writes "Columbia University" when they went to Barnard.

When people say "where did you go"? You answer "Barnard" if Barnard, and "Columbia" if you went to the college.

Barnard College, Columbia University is the approved format

http://www.columbia.edu/content/barnard-college-2.html

[Anonymous]

I have a few years to go before my DD goes to college but I really like the idea of her going to Barnard college. It seems like a great experience and the academics are good too.

I would love to hear more about this school if any one else cares to chime in further.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When Columbia was still all male, Columbia sought a merger with Barnard, bit Barnyard declined due to Columbia's poor financial condition! Today, Barnard and students to state "Barnard College, Columbia University" or "Barnard College of Columbia University" on résumés.

Next to Cornell's Ag school, Barnard is the easy way to get into the Ivies.

But you don'to be a sheep or a cow to get into Cornell's Ag school, but you do have to be a girl to get into"Barnyard."

I was just about to post this! Columbia students refer to the 'barnyard.'

[Anonymous]

No they don't! You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No they don't! You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

Not the ones you knew, I guess..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When Columbia was still all male, Columbia sought a merger with Barnard, bit Barnyard declined due to Columbia's poor financial condition! Today, Barnard and students to state "Barnard College, Columbia University" or "Barnard College of Columbia University" on résumés.

Next to Cornell's Ag school, Barnard is the easy way to get into the Ivies.

But you don'to be a sheep or a cow to get into Cornell's Ag school, but you do have to be a girl to get into"Barnyard."

I was just about to post this! Columbia students refer to the 'barnyard.'

That says a lot about Columbia students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's a good school and degree, but people well-versed in higher education will view a degree from Columbia as an Ivy degree and a Barnard degree as similar to a Smith or Sarah Lawrence degree.

Not sure what that is supposed to mean. Smith, for example, is very well regarded in higher ed circles and has a very high quality faculty. The admission rate and yield have suffered somewhat because it remains a women's college and because of the college's unfair lesbian taint. But I understand they are working to change that.

Now there's a name for a punk band.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When Columbia was still all male, Columbia sought a merger with Barnard, bit Barnyard declined due to Columbia's poor financial condition! Today, Barnard and students to state "Barnard College, Columbia University" or "Barnard College of Columbia University" on résumés.

Next to Cornell's Ag school, Barnard is the easy way to get into the Ivies.

But you don'to be a sheep or a cow to get into Cornell's Ag school, but you do have to be a girl to get into"Barnyard."

I was just about to post this! Columbia students refer to the 'barnyard.'

That says a lot about Columbia students.

Sure. It says they go to a better school and they know it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain the Barnard/Columbia consortium to me? Columbia is a Top 5 national, while Barnard is the #32 SLAC. From what I've read online, it seems that Barnard students can enroll in all Columbia classes and use all Columbia facilities. How then is a Barnard education different from a Columbia education? How does the market view a Barnard degree?

Haverford/Bryn Mawr are the same way. Haverford usually ranks in the top 10 and Bryn Mawr more like top 30, yet you can take any class on either campus--there is literally one course catalog for the two schools--and you can major at either school. Each campus has its own culture, but if academics are what schools are ranked on, it doesn't make any sense that they are so far apart.

PP, they're not. Haverford and Bryn Mawr are two totally separate non-profit corporations that have elected to share certain costs and to permit course-level cross-enrollment (including cross-majoring). If you get admitted to Haverford, you receive a BA or BS from Haverford, even if you complete your major at Bryn Mawr (in which case your transcript is annotated accordingly).

By contrast, while Columbia and Barnard are two totally separate corporations, the similarities end there -- bear in mind that Barnard was formed in 1889 or so with the specific intention that it be something like a subsidiary of Columbia. First, Barnard is not legally eligible to grant degrees other than honorary degrees. Barnard graduates receive degrees from Columbia University that are annotated "at the recommendation of the President and Faculty of Barnard College." Second, Barnard faculty members cannot receive tenure absent the explicit, prior, written consent of Columbia. It is almost (ALMOST) never withheld, but it does happen and always could happen. Third, Columbia and Barnard exhibit some contractually-agreed non-overlaps -- architecture, dance, education, theater, and urban studies can only be offered to undergrads by Barnard, while programs in computer science, statistics, and engineering can only be offered to undergrads by Columbia. Fourth, academically, Barnard in its entirety is a "faculty" of Columbia and is represented as a Columbia component in Columbia's University Senate (which makes the non-academic, non-fiduciary regs of the University) -- so Barnard is treated like a component school of Columbia. Fifth, under Columbia's charter (which is a state-enacted law) and a set of agreements that the Charter explicitly allows Columbia and Barnard to execute, the President of Columbia is automatically a Trustee of Barnard. Sixth, Barnard is prohibited from granting any non-honorary degree other than a Bachelor's. Barnard is a separate entity from Columbia but not really that separate -- it's a sub. Havrerford and Bryn Mawr aren't parents/subs at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not a consortium. You get a degree from your college (BC, CC, Engineering, GS). Your diploma says where you graduated.

My CV says Columbia College, Columbia University. NO ONE writes "Columbia University" when they went to Barnard.

When people say "where did you go"? You answer "Barnard" if Barnard, and "Columbia" if you went to the college.

Not what I've seen. Barnard is a constituent college of Columbia no less than any of the others. It's a state law and it's literally in the Columbia charter. I know tons of Barnard grads who use Columbia as short-hand and it's perfectly accurate for them to do so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not a consortium. You get a degree from your college (BC, CC, Engineering, GS). Your diploma says where you graduated.

My CV says Columbia College, Columbia University. NO ONE writes "Columbia University" when they went to Barnard.

When people say "where did you go"? You answer "Barnard" if Barnard, and "Columbia" if you went to the college.

Not what I've seen. Barnard is a constituent college of Columbia no less than any of the others. It's a state law and it's literally in the Columbia charter. I know tons of Barnard grads who use Columbia as short-hand and it's perfectly accurate for them to do so.

Columbia University is the umbrella organization, if you will. Barnard College and Columbia College are two constituent colleges under this umbrella (along with a law school, school of medicine, and more). If your friends are talking about their undergraduate degrees, they got them from Barnard College.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not a consortium. You get a degree from your college (BC, CC, Engineering, GS). Your diploma says where you graduated.

My CV says Columbia College, Columbia University. NO ONE writes "Columbia University" when they went to Barnard.

When people say "where did you go"? You answer "Barnard" if Barnard, and "Columbia" if you went to the college.

Not what I've seen. Barnard is a constituent college of Columbia no less than any of the others. It's a state law and it's literally in the Columbia charter. I know tons of Barnard grads who use Columbia as short-hand and it's perfectly accurate for them to do so.

Columbia University is the umbrella organization, if you will. Barnard College and Columbia College are two constituent colleges under this umbrella (along with a law school, school of medicine, and more). If your friends are talking about their undergraduate degrees, they got them from Barnard College.

Umm, no, PP, Barnard does not grant degrees. Check a Barnard diploma. It's awarded by Columbia. A Barnard BA is a Columbia degree. A Barnard grad is also automatically a member of the Columbia University Alum Fed. It's pretty simple; there's a state law that says so and both Columbia and Barnard signed an implementing agreement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not a consortium. You get a degree from your college (BC, CC, Engineering, GS). Your diploma says where you graduated.

My CV says Columbia College, Columbia University. NO ONE writes "Columbia University" when they went to Barnard.

When people say "where did you go"? You answer "Barnard" if Barnard, and "Columbia" if you went to the college.

Not what I've seen. Barnard is a constituent college of Columbia no less than any of the others. It's a state law and it's literally in the Columbia charter. I know tons of Barnard grads who use Columbia as short-hand and it's perfectly accurate for them to do so.

Columbia University is the umbrella organization, if you will. Barnard College and Columbia College are two constituent colleges under this umbrella (along with a law school, school of medicine, and more). If your friends are talking about their undergraduate degrees, they got them from Barnard College.

Umm, no, PP, Barnard does not grant degrees. Check a Barnard diploma. It's awarded by Columbia. A Barnard BA is a Columbia degree. A Barnard grad is also automatically a member of the Columbia University Alum Fed. It's pretty simple; there's a state law that says so and both Columbia and Barnard signed an implementing agreement.

Umm, no. The diploma (piece of paper) you get may say Columbia. But you fulfilled Barnard requirements not Columbia requirements (you didn't take the Core requirements, for example). So this is a Barnard degree.

As to what you tell potential employers, via your resume, and your friends: it seems like it would be misleading potential employers and your friends to imply that you took the Columbia Core, don't you think?