He's all-Ivy -- accepted to all 8 Ivy League colleges...

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Anonymous wrote:All fighting over the token.

Are you jealous because no one is fighting over your kid?

Exactly!

No, I am jealous because my kid isn't black. Therefore, she applied to not a single Ivy, despite having higher SATs than this kid, plus other stuff that wouldn't matter, because she's white. Why bother applying?

Can we assume that your kid also had the same ECs? Also, your kid is competing against other white kids, and maybe didn't meet their standards. Ever think of that?

By the way, according to CNN, this kid plays three instruments for the chamber orchestra, sings in an a cappella group, throws shot put and discus for the high school's track and field team, participates in student government and has had a lead role in school plays since the ninth grade.

That kid could've gotten in on a music or sports scholarship. What's your kid's excuse?

He also volunteers at the local hospital.

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Great. But none of his ECs really stands out. His SATs aren't unusual for black kids at the Ivy League either. His class rank is excellent, but if anything a little low for an Ivy.

In fact, he seems unusual in that he is a throwback to the old days when colleges were looking for the "well-rounded" candidate as supposed to the new focus on "passion."

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Anonymous wrote:I don't brag to those I know, but will on an anonymous forum... DD got into all 7 of the Ivy League schools she applied to last year (she was not interested in Cornell, so didn't apply).

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Anonymous wrote:Why would you apply to all 8?


In case he didn't get into 7 of them?

I just can't imagine a student who would think they were a good fit for, and want to attend, all 8. And let's face it, there are better non-Ivys than Cornell, for instance. It seems to have just been a ploy to get bragging rights.

Well, all hail to the ploy to get bragging rights.

It shows that he is as street smart as he is book smart.

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I knew it would a black male!

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Anonymous wrote:All fighting over the token.

Are you jealous because no one is fighting over your kid?

Exactly!

No, I am jealous because my kid isn't black. Therefore, she applied to not a single Ivy, despite having higher SATs than this kid, plus other stuff that wouldn't matter, because she's white. Why bother applying?

Great parenting job mom/dad! While you’re poisoning your daughter’s mind by teaching her to see her “whiteness” as a handicap, please make sure she also knows that she lost out to white legacies, and other similarly situated whites with better extracurriculars and geographic diversity.

Unlike your daughter, this kid had to overcome negative racial stereotyping, low expectations from teachers (not every teacher, but trust me, there was at least one), stereotype threat, etc. However, unlike you, he did not cast himself as the victim. Because of what he had to deal with (“the soft bigotry of low expectations” from many people like you), he is actually more qualified for admission to those universities than white students with similar numbers. Your daughter may not have been admitted to any Ivy League school…if she had applied, but not because she’s white.

You sound like an unhappy and bitter person. I hope that you find peace.

+100000

Well said!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All fighting over the token.

Are you jealous because no one is fighting over your kid?

Exactly!

No, I am jealous because my kid isn't black. Therefore, she applied to not a single Ivy, despite having higher SATs than this kid, plus other stuff that wouldn't matter, because she's white. Why bother applying?

I'm white and I don't have a bit of trouble with black kids getting in with lower SAT scores. Admissions offices consider the whole package. SAT scores are only one piece of the information they receive.

SAT scores under predict the performance of black kids by quite a bit. On average, black kids do better in college than their SAT scores would suggest. That may occur for a couple of reasons:

1) Black kids on the whole are less prepared for the SAT.

2) They face psychological barriers when taking it. Expectations matter a tremendous amount. When a person is told that members of her demographic group do well on a test, they do better. When a person is told that members of his/her demographic group does poorly, they do worse. It's called stereotype threat. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype_threat

3) The test is biased against black kids.
http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2010/06/21/sat

Because there is evidence that the test and testing situation are biased and the test scores for black kids underpredict their performance, lessening the emphasis on SAT scores for black kids is completely fair. Score ranges are flexible for all sorts of groups, including legacies and children of very important people and celebrities and student athletes. Why aren't you railing against the admissions advantage those groups have?

BTW, even if that kid isn't more qualified than your snowflake, he is a more interesting student to have on campus. He has an interesting story (child of immigrant parents from Ghana). Your snowflake sounds like a dime-a-dozen bright kid from a high SES group in an overrepresented area of the county. It always helps to have something that makes you stand out.

That's completely backwards actually. Blacks get worse grades in college than their sat score would predict. Most studies have not found any significant bias in tests, and even the few that claim to only find a small amount on the verbal section
, and none on the math. Indeed, the gap on the math section is larger than the gap on the verbal section.

With regards to amount of prep, there have been multiple studies that show that blacks actually engage in more test prep than other groups. One quote: "Black non-Hispanic students are more likely to participate in test prep, and there are also significant interaction effects of race and grade level on prep, with black 11th graders having the highest predicted probability of prep."

No idea if the quality of the prepping was taken into account, but most studies show that prepping has fairly modest impact on average; about 50 points or so.

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That's completely backwards actually. Blacks get worse grades in college than their sat score would predict. Most studies have not found any significant bias in tests, and even the few that claim to only find a small amount on the verbal section
, and none on the math. Indeed, the gap on the math section is larger than the gap on the verbal section.

With regards to amount of prep, there have been multiple studies that show that blacks actually engage in more test prep than other groups. One quote: "Black non-Hispanic students are more likely to participate in test prep, and there are also significant interaction effects of race and grade level on prep, with black 11th graders having the highest predicted probability of prep."

No idea if the quality of the prepping was taken into account, but most studies show that prepping has fairly modest impact on average; about 50 points or so.

What planet are you from? Show me your passport. Every SAT parlor I've been in across the land seems populated by Asians and Whites ... even in the ghettos!

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That's completely backwards actually. Blacks get worse grades in college than their sat score would predict. Most studies have not found any significant bias in tests, and even the few that claim to only find a small amount on the verbal section
, and none on the math. Indeed, the gap on the math section is larger than the gap on the verbal section.

With regards to amount of prep, there have been multiple studies that show that blacks actually engage in more test prep than other groups. One quote: "Black non-Hispanic students are more likely to participate in test prep, and there are also significant interaction effects of race and grade level on prep, with black 11th graders having the highest predicted probability of prep."

No idea if the quality of the prepping was taken into account, but most studies show that prepping has fairly modest impact on average; about 50 points or so.

What planet are you from? Show me your passport. Every SAT parlor I've been in across the land seems populated by Asians and Whites ... even in the ghettos!

Test prep varies by race in the opposite way that people imagine. In fact, blacks use test prep more than whites, as is well documented among education researchers.

http://people.socsci.tau.ac.il/mu/salon/files/2011/11/Racial_differences_SFJ_89_2_Alon-final.pdf
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1573-7861.2012.01326.x/abstract
http://sf.oxfordjournals.org/content/89/2/435.short

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I just can't imagine a student who would think they were a good fit for, and want to attend, all 8. And let's face it, there are better non-Ivys than Cornell, for instance. It seems to have just been a ploy to get bragging rights.

Limited creative thinking and mathematical ability make it possible you can't imagine a kid applying to so many schools, with each having less than 10 in 100 kids actually getting accepted, and perhaps wanting to attend all 8 for fit. Kid did the right thing. He reached for the stars and now he gets to revisit with the suitors and make his decision.

In America, since when has fit meant anything to an aspiring young black man in elite white institutions? It's the same crap (but the blind and the deaf can't imagine so). It doesn't matter to Black males ... these schools are all the same in how they are embraced. It's akin to seeking the best fit on a plantation. This concept of fit does not have much meaning for black males in this society. When you are continually stopped and asked to produce your passport for proof of citizenship. Simply ask your noble Commander in Chief?

This aspiring young black man did the best thing under these conditions. Aim for the stars and the schools with the biggest endowments and cache (Ivy). If you will have to take this abuse anyway, fit doesn't amount to a hill of beans for black male students in America.

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Anonymous wrote:Great. But none of his ECs really stands out. His SATs aren't unusual for black kids at the Ivy League either. His class rank is excellent, but if anything a little low for an Ivy.

In fact, he seems unusual in that he is a throwback to the old days when colleges were looking for the "well-rounded" candidate as supposed to the new focus on "passion."

Please enlighten us with your infinite wisdom. What ECs stand out among MOST successful Ivy League applicants? And remember, these ECs should be representative of the majority of admitted students...not the outlier who discovered the cure for some obscure illness (while conducting research in the hospital she founded in Honduras), after recording her Grammy-award winning album.

[Anonymous]

Great. But none of his ECs really stands out. His SATs aren't unusual for black kids at the Ivy League either. His class rank is excellent, but if anything a little low for an Ivy.

In fact, he seems unusual in that he is a throwback to the old days when colleges were looking for the "well-rounded" candidate as supposed to the new focus on "passion."

Sounds like you have assessed his character, integrity, passion, drive and purpose from reading newspaper articles, dcum and his race. Have you taught or worked with him in the ECs. Have you ever spoken with him or interviewed him?

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Why was GW Bush Jr. admitted to Yale (or Harvard business school)? Did he deserve the admission? If he were Asian would he have been admitted to Yale? Is anyone here upset Georgie was admitted to Yale? or like a previous poster is anyone jealous because your child's last name isn't Bush?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All fighting over the token.

Are you jealous because no one is fighting over your kid?

Exactly!

No, I am jealous because my kid isn't black. Therefore, she applied to not a single Ivy, despite having higher SATs than this kid, plus other stuff that wouldn't matter, because she's white. Why bother applying?

Great parenting job mom/dad! While you’re poisoning your daughter’s mind by teaching her to see her “whiteness” as a handicap, please make sure she also knows that she lost out to white legacies, and other similarly situated whites with better extracurriculars and geographic diversity.

Unlike your daughter, this kid had to overcome negative racial stereotyping, low expectations from teachers (not every teacher, but trust me, there was at least one), stereotype threat, etc. However, unlike you, he did not cast himself as the victim. Because of what he had to deal with (“the soft bigotry of low expectations” from many people like you), he is actually more qualified for admission to those universities than white students with similar numbers. Your daughter may not have been admitted to any Ivy League school…if she had applied, but not because she’s white.

You sound like an unhappy and bitter person. I hope that you find peace.

I LOVE YOU, PP!

[Anonymous]

Great parenting job mom/dad! While you’re poisoning your daughter’s mind by teaching her to see her “whiteness” as a handicap, please make sure she also knows that she lost out to white legacies, and other similarly situated whites with better extracurriculars and geographic diversity.

Unlike your daughter, this kid had to overcome negative racial stereotyping, low expectations from teachers (not every teacher, but trust me, there was at least one), stereotype threat, etc. However, unlike you, he did not cast himself as the victim. Because of what he had to deal with (“the soft bigotry of low expectations” from many people like you), he is actually more qualified for admission to those universities than white students with similar numbers. Your daughter may not have been admitted to any Ivy League school…if she had applied, but not because she’s white.

That's the fundamental problem with the propagation of generational racism. Due to intellectual deficits and a poor foundation and fear of math White parents forget these institutions are no more than 10% African-American and Whites make up the majority. They look the other way when the White majority is kicking their ass to blame the Black minority for taking their entitled seat. The plain fact is these kinds of students and their parents are generally getting their butts handed back to them by Whites, Blacks, Hispanics, Asians and International students with more fire in their bellies.

These seats will no longer automatically be handed to your children as in previous generations. Roll up your sleeves and compete and/or you may simply leave my country and go back to where you came from!

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Anonymous wrote:Great. But none of his ECs really stands out. His SATs aren't unusual for black kids at the Ivy League either. His class rank is excellent, but if anything a little low for an Ivy.

In fact, he seems unusual in that he is a throwback to the old days when colleges were looking for the "well-rounded" candidate as supposed to the new focus on "passion."

Not true at all. These scores are very high for black kids, even at an Ivy. From an article in the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education:

"If we raise the top-scoring threshold to students scoring 750 or above on both the math and verbal SAT — a level equal to the mean score of students entering the nation’s most selective colleges such as Harvard, Princeton, and CalTech — we find that in the entire country 244 blacks scored 750 or above on the math SAT and 363 black students scored 750 or above on the verbal portion of the test."

While I'm sure there's a good bit of overlap, there's probably ~200-250 AA kids with scores above 1500, and how many of them are coming from a public school with 30% farms?