"Baby it's cold outside"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What a crock of shit. If she didn't want to be there she can get up and leave. You know...act like a grown-up. I think we have a bunch of helpless little girls on this forum not adult women. There is a lot of posturing and pretending these days but woman's lib and all it stood for is dead. Oh gee, a man tries to cajole me in to staying and I am just to weak and helpless to say no and leave. Oh, me oh my...what ever shall I do? There are rapists behind every door....

I agree with this.

I don't think we'd exist as a species if men hadn't been trying to talk a woman into sex since the beginning of time. It's normal.

[Anonymous]

Another thread overtaken by rape apologists.

Oh and to the last PP - women want sex just as much as men. Maybe not with you, based on your post, but in general.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What a crock of shit. If she didn't want to be there she can get up and leave. You know...act like a grown-up. I think we have a bunch of helpless little girls on this forum not adult women. There is a lot of posturing and pretending these days but woman's lib and all it stood for is dead. Oh gee, a man tries to cajole me in to staying and I am just to weak and helpless to say no and leave. Oh, me oh my...what ever shall I do? There are rapists behind every door....

Dollars to donuts you're a dude.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Another thread overtaken by rape apologists.

Oh and to the last PP - women want sex just as much as men. Maybe not with you, based on your post, but in general.

I'm a woman. I even consider myself a feminist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

It was written in 1944, people. When people DID judge a woman for having premarital sex, and for wanting to have it! Times were different then, and the song reflects those times.

Remember Wake Up Little Suzy? 1957. She didn't even have sex with the guy but just fell asleep and "her reputation was shot". Also not a rapey song, though.

The line is "our reputation is shot," not "her reputation is shot." It doesn't seem date rapey at all because they went to the movies and fell asleep. Plus, there's a line in which he sings, "our goose is cooked." That's not a sick song, that's squeaky clean teenagers worried about breaking curfew.

You are correct about the line being "our reputation is shot" but you and I both know that in 1957, if a boy and a girl stayed out till 4 AM in what I am assuming was his car... it was HER reputation that would be sullied, not HIS.

Going back to my point that back then, a woman did stand to lose her reputation for having sex or even for appearing to want to have it. Even with the guy she was going to have sex with! Guys didn't like girls who seemed to eager. This song is about a woman playing along.

[Anonymous]

Dollars to donuts you're a dude.

You would be infinitely wrong. Some of us actually old enough to understand feminism. We fought or it.

[Anonymous]

Anyone who has experienced rape, I feel certain, would not consider this song to feel like rape.
Aside from that, as a rape victim myself, I will tell you the word "rapey" makes me want to puke.
No one who has ever been raped would call the actions leading to it. "Rapey".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who has experienced rape, I feel certain, would not consider this song to feel like rape.
Aside from that, as a rape victim myself, I will tell you the word "rapey" makes me want to puke.
No one who has ever been raped would call the actions leading to it. "Rapey".

Exactly. The actions that precede rape are violent, not "rapey".

A guy that asks repeatedly may be considered slimey, but I think "rapey" does a disservice to men and women.

[Anonymous]

Slimy*

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who has experienced rape, I feel certain, would not consider this song to feel like rape.
Aside from that, as a rape victim myself, I will tell you the word "rapey" makes me want to puke.
No one who has ever been raped would call the actions leading to it. "Rapey".

A victim's standpoint. Thanks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What a crock of shit. If she didn't want to be there she can get up and leave. You know...act like a grown-up. I think we have a bunch of helpless little girls on this forum not adult women. There is a lot of posturing and pretending these days but woman's lib and all it stood for is dead. Oh gee, a man tries to cajole me in to staying and I am just to weak and helpless to say no and leave. Oh, me oh my...what ever shall I do? There are rapists behind every door....

Seriously. Who are the girls on here who think this song has anything to do with rape? I honestly feel bad for anyone who listens to this and thinks "RAPE!" Everyone has their opinion etc., but what a depressing worldview. She's not someone without agency.

Damn.

[Anonymous]

DC Urban Moms and especially OP -- GET A LIFE! You folks either have too many degrees or too much time. Oh my God, do you only let your kids watch Little House on the Prairie, make your own bread, homeschool and only allow your 14 year old to walk across the street holding your hand? Jesus!