Integration in pre k vs high school

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Actually I think you are way underestimating the potential number of students who would excel at a school like TJ right here in the district. You need to get out more.

I've lived here longer than you have, and I'm out a lot, thanks.

I considered objective, national data points such as national merit commendations, SAT scores, Siemens or Intel science finalists and presidential scholars. There are a whopping 15 winners every year from a public HS in the district, and another few dozen kids who live in DC and attend GDS, Sidwell and sta/Ncs.

The embarrassing SAT score situation at banneker and sww has already been discussed at length, so I won't beat them up further.

Where do you believe these thousands of genius middle schoolers are hiding in the District? Seriously. Put up or shut up. Tell us: where?

Such a schools would not need thousands to be successful at all. It could be successful with a few hundred. Then you forget about all of the people moving into DC.

DINKS. Thats who's moving into all these 900 square feet condos.

Umm. We have a family and we live in less than 800 square feet. I know other families living in about the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Actually I think you are way underestimating the potential number of students who would excel at a school like TJ right here in the district. You need to get out more.

Look at all the slack Basis is getting for their rigorous curriculum and expectations. I truly don't think you understand fully the issues in DC.

[Anonymous]

Hmm: My white kid passed on visiting Banneker after speaking to some students at open house because of the intense academics they described. He visited McKinley at their open house and has asked to apply there. It's smaller than Wilson and he liked that it wasn't as big. As a white kid growing up in DC, he seems to think he'll be ok - said it reminded him of the WOTP schools. He liked the kids and teachers he met and the facilities were good. Bummed out there is no soccer team though...
I'll get back to you all in February!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hmm: My white kid passed on visiting Banneker after speaking to some students at open house because of the intense academics they described. He visited McKinley at their open house and has asked to apply there. It's smaller than Wilson and he liked that it wasn't as big. As a white kid growing up in DC, he seems to think he'll be ok - said it reminded him of the WOTP schools. He liked the kids and teachers he met and the facilities were good. Bummed out there is no soccer team though...
I'll get back to you all in February!

Mckinley is a gem. I have been impressed with every kid i have met from there. Sound like you have a pretty cool and open minded kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hmm: My white kid passed on visiting Banneker after speaking to some students at open house because of the intense academics they described. He visited McKinley at their open house and has asked to apply there. It's smaller than Wilson and he liked that it wasn't as big. As a white kid growing up in DC, he seems to think he'll be ok - said it reminded him of the WOTP schools. He liked the kids and teachers he met and the facilities were good. Bummed out there is no soccer team though...
I'll get back to you all in February!

So your kid is an avg student who plays soccer. There are plenty of HS options for kids like that in DC.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Actually I think you are way underestimating the potential number of students who would excel at a school like TJ right here in the district. You need to get out more.

I've lived here longer than you have, and I'm out a lot, thanks.

I considered objective, national data points such as national merit commendations, SAT scores, Siemens or Intel science finalists and presidential scholars. There are a whopping 15 winners every year from a public HS in the district, and another few dozen kids who live in DC and attend GDS, Sidwell and sta/Ncs.

The embarrassing SAT score situation at banneker and sww has already been discussed at length, so I won't beat them up further.

Where do you believe these thousands of genius middle schoolers are hiding in the District? Seriously. Put up or shut up. Tell us: where?

Such a schools would not need thousands to be successful at all. It could be successful with a few hundred. Then you forget about all of the people moving into DC.

DINKS. Thats who's moving into all these 900 square feet condos.

Umm. We have a family and we live in less than 800 square feet. I know other families living in about the same.

You have high school students in DC residing in less than 800 sq feet. If this is true, you are not one of the high HHI families that PP were talking about as new residents to the city. You must be low income, or poor, if you are putting your high school kids in such cramped quarters. I understand babies, toddlers, and elementary age kids, but not high school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hmm: My white kid passed on visiting Banneker after speaking to some students at open house because of the intense academics they described. He visited McKinley at their open house and has asked to apply there. It's smaller than Wilson and he liked that it wasn't as big. As a white kid growing up in DC, he seems to think he'll be ok - said it reminded him of the WOTP schools. He liked the kids and teachers he met and the facilities were good. Bummed out there is no soccer team though...
I'll get back to you all in February!

So your kid is an avg student who plays soccer. There are plenty of HS options for kids like that in DC.

Hm, that's what you got from PP post. Yep, you have officially confirmed that you are wasted brain matter.

[Anonymous]

Now that gentrification is happening I don't believe it will be much of a problem. Currently there are issues as most high schools aren't as diverse as Wilson or SWW.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Actually I think you are way underestimating the potential number of students who would excel at a school like TJ right here in the district. You need to get out more.

I've lived here longer than you have, and I'm out a lot, thanks.

I considered objective, national data points such as national merit commendations, SAT scores, Siemens or Intel science finalists and presidential scholars. There are a whopping 15 winners every year from a public HS in the district, and another few dozen kids who live in DC and attend GDS, Sidwell and sta/Ncs.

The embarrassing SAT score situation at banneker and sww has already been discussed at length, so I won't beat them up further.

Where do you believe these thousands of genius middle schoolers are hiding in the District? Seriously. Put up or shut up. Tell us: where?

Such a schools would not need thousands to be successful at all. It could be successful with a few hundred. Then you forget about all of the people moving into DC.

DINKS. Thats who's moving into all these 900 square feet condos.

Umm. We have a family and we live in less than 800 square feet. I know other families living in about the same.

You have high school students in DC residing in less than 800 sq feet. If this is true, you are not one of the high HHI families that PP were talking about as new residents to the city. You must be low income, or poor, if you are putting your high school kids in such cramped quarters. I understand babies, toddlers, and elementary age kids, but not high school.

That's a 2-bedroom, 2-bathroom apartment. Plenty for a family with one kid.

[Anonymous]

"So your kid is an avg student who plays soccer. There are plenty of HS options for kids like that in DC."

Boy, you are cranky.

If you think a kid with a 145 IQ is average, then yes, he is. As my mother said, there are plenty of smart people out there, but it is what you do with it that counts. Smart is good, but being kind, developing common sense, and contributing to your community are important human qualities for a successful life. We have several schools he's applying for. DS will be successful wherever he goes to learn because he already is an academic success. As his mother, I have other goals for him beyond his brainy capabilities and clearly, he does as well. I went to a very elite academic H.S. myself and loved it. But it is not for everyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Actually I think you are way underestimating the potential number of students who would excel at a school like TJ right here in the district. You need to get out more.

Look at all the slack Basis is getting for their rigorous curriculum and expectations. I truly don't think you understand fully the issues in DC.

basis got flack for not educating the minority/sped population

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is a great point and something that baffles me as well.

Quick comparison. Keep in mind Wilson is only 20% white (49% black), so there are also blacks at Wilson that perform well.

Advance CAS math
Banneker 25%
Wilson 20%

Advance CAS reading
Banneker 31%
Wilson 25%

Graduation Rate
Banneker 100% in 2011 98% in 2012
Wilson 74% and 73%

College enrollment
Banneker 88%
Wilson 57%

AP placement **only place Wilson outperforms
Banneker 20%
Wilson 50%

Attendance
Banneker 97%
Wilson 90%

School safety
A score that represents student, parent and staff perceptions of safety and order
at this school. The scale is from 0 to 100, and the score is based on the results of a
stakeholder survey given every two years.
Banneker 83
Wilson 62

Expulsions/long term supsensions (11+ days)
Banneker 0% doesn't mean none, just means less than 39 (1% of population)
Wilson 1% (at least 171)

Serious student misbehavior
The number of expulsions and long-term suspensions for the most serious student
misbehavior at this school per 100 students.
Banneker 0 (or less than 4, 1 per 100 students)
Wilson 1 (which means about 17 incidents)

Parent engagement
A score that represents how well and how often parents felt this school engaged and
communicated with them. The scale is from 0 to 100, and the score is based on the
results of a parent survey given every two years.
Banneker 82
Wilson 72

Clearly there aren't any (or many) scary black kids (or to quote PP "They are afraid they child will be pummeled in high-school by a group of black students running amok on campus") at Banneker yet white families aren't enrolling.

To me, it is a matter of hispanics being considered "safe" minorities and blacks the opposite. Despite the fact that Banneker has over-performing kids that are in an environment that is safer than Wilson, the inherent racism still exists.

#1 I'm sure when a kid is getting beat up at Wilson, the perp is not asking him whether he is in "academies" or not.
#2 I'm sure kids at Banneker are also getting a STEM education as well.
#3 White families are not "integrating" at pre-K level with a high black population (only Hispanic), even when there is language involved (Cleveland). A perfect example would be Shepherd Elementary. One of the best performing elementary schools WOTP (probably only 2nd to Brent) in a very mixed, high income neighborhood with access for OOB entry at higher grades, yet there is a 5% white population. So see my reasoning above (hispanic=safe, black=not). Sad but true especially being that the low income at Shepherd is only 33% so you know there aren't many "black students running amok".

I can speak to your third point. I live in Shepherd Park but my 3 kids go private. It has nothing to do with the students at Shepherd Elementary. I have no problems with the demographics of the school. Our problem is with DCPS. My children would be attending private school no matter where in DC we lived. Translation: they would not be going to Janney, Laffayette, or Eaton, or Deal either.

[Anonymous]

^^then the post was not directed to you. There are many families in Shepherd Park that attend other DCPS schools and Charters. There are also many families that apply to schools like Barnard and Ross OOB in large numbers but don't attempt OOB at Shepherd. Some apply OOB at Shepherd but mainly in higher grades in order to feed to Deal.

[Anonymous]

What crime stats are you referrimh too? White scare tactics are so useless. How is it that college educated parents THINK they are more deserving of a free public education for their children?

What a prejudice way to THINK.

[Anonymous]

You were surprised at how many whites you saw with children at Powell. Now did that give you a sense of pride and validation? Now take your vision and then look at the percentage of whites that are in the school system over-all. Humbling to say the least. If only the one-drop rule was significant.

Remember the schools are looking more attractive to white parents because DCPS are finally realizing blacks deserve better.