A question for Jewish women

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I want to add that I am Jewish and this is absolutely NOT true. It's anti semetic. It isn't cute. It isn't funny. Antisemetism is upsetting so sorry if I won't relaaaaaaaax.

This is not anti-semetic. It just isn't. Save your outrage for time when it is justified.

[Anonymous]

Oh please.......snap out of it whoever is saying this is anti Semetic. I am not Jewish but grew up in area where there were many including several very good friends. I feel like I know the Jewish culture well. YES Jewish woman DO do this more WAY more than your average "Non Jews". Do I get upset? No, I understand it...and accept it. Its a trait.

Much like Italians use their hands and are very animated while talking. Not a big deal but anyone who says this is not the case is in denial. I have been around plenty of Jewish women and girls growing up, going to school with them, attending UPenn (heavily Jewish) and now working with a number of Jewish women and of all ages many do. Why? i cannot say, I am assuming its combination of the fact that they like to look good, are into fashion more than the average person, and for some are competitive so they want to check out the competition. That;s how I see it.

Anyone who throws around this anti-Semetic crap is probably the same person who voted for Obama.

[Anonymous]

But that is offensive. Do jewish women think it is OK to be offensive?
Call it culture or a trait or whatever. It is rood

[Anonymous]

Assume you mean rude. I do not personally find it offensive, it's a character trait. I think its invasive when someone eyes are scanning you head to toe, but I do not take it personal. Seems like they do that to most women.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I want to add that I am Jewish and this is absolutely NOT true. It's anti semetic. It isn't cute. It isn't funny. Antisemetism is upsetting so sorry if I won't relaaaaaaaax.

+1

Please explain your use of "anti-semetic".

[Anonymous]

This isn't a Jewish thing. It's a woman's thing. Some women like to size up the competition and to compare themselves with other women. Sometimes it's done as a form of intimidation. I've seen Alpha women in every culture do this. Also, you haven't seen nothing until you see an Asian mother size up her future daughter in-law. They want to make sure are you good enough for their son or would they accept you into their family. In some cultures women would give a stare down to the new woman who is entering the family. In some Latino cultures the women would stare you up and down to determine if you're pretty or not. African American women and gay men do it too. They will give you the side eye stare in a minute. So, this is a universal thing that is practice in various cultures.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I want to add that I am Jewish and this is absolutely NOT true. It's anti semetic. It isn't cute. It isn't funny. Antisemetism is upsetting so sorry if I won't relaaaaaaaax.

+1

Please explain your use of "anti-semetic".

I guess it was just a cheap shot to intimidate.
Just like calling you a racist every time I don't like you.
Get over yourselves already.
No one is scared anymore of that old routine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes I have to agree I have observed this too in the law firm where I work. It is a "Jewish thing" and I can see how it could make someone uncomfortable but I am sure no harm is meant.

I've observed Asian women doing the same thing.

This just happened to me at an open house today. I walked in, just from hanging outdoors with my kids so you can imagine how I was dressed, and the Asian realtor sized me up, as if I couldn't possibly afford this house. I'm like, I already live in this neighborhood. I didn't mention that I happen to also live on the nicest street.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes I have to agree I have observed this too in the law firm where I work. It is a "Jewish thing" and I can see how it could make someone uncomfortable but I am sure no harm is meant.

I've observed Asian women doing the same thing.

This just happened to me at an open house today. I walked in, just from hanging outdoors with my kids so you can imagine how I was dressed, and the Asian realtor sized me up, as if I couldn't possibly afford this house. I'm like, I already live in this neighborhood. I didn't mention that I happen to also live on the nicest street.

I hope you didn't call her an anti-Semite.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes I have to agree I have observed this too in the law firm where I work. It is a "Jewish thing" and I can see how it could make someone uncomfortable but I am sure no harm is meant.

I've observed Asian women doing the same thing.

This just happened to me at an open house today. I walked in, just from hanging outdoors with my kids so you can imagine how I was dressed, and the Asian realtor sized me up, as if I couldn't possibly afford this house. I'm like, I already live in this neighborhood. I didn't mention that I happen to also live on the nicest street.

I hope you didn't call her an anti-Semite.

Maybe next time, though I'm not Jewish.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is kind of funny because I am half Jewish (raised Jewish) and we joke about this all the time. My mother is a real offender of this and every time we call her out on it, she raises her hands up and says laughing "hey I am Jewish" so anyone who wants to pretend Jewish women don't do this is drinking too much koolaid. No offense meant, we just like checking out and appreciating well put together people.

Thank you for your candidness. Much appreciated.

Reading this thread for the first time, it's disheartening to see the "anti-Semite card" thrown around this way. Do they even know what it means? Or is it simply used as an effective tool to silence any question or critique?

Here's the problem, as I see it. There's a fundamental difference between saying to yourself "Oh, I do that, and yes, I happen to be Jewish" and saying to yourself "I do that, and it is because I am Jewish and it is a distinct and integral part of my Jewish religion that all Jews participate in." Who cares if posters on this thread do this and they happen to be Jewish? That's not proof of anything, and that's why the "anti-Semite card" gets thrown around. It's when casual characteristics get over-attributed to the fact that people are Jewish that yes, anti-Semitism rears its ugly head.

Interesting response. Thank you. Acknowledging the fact that rigorous debate is normally a welcome intellectual activity among educated Jews (as well as many other religious and ethnic groups), why is it "anti-semetism" to share and discuss one's experiences?

I suspect if you felt personally complimented by another person's experiences or observations, it wouldn't be a problem for you.

Actually, it WOULD be a problem for me, and the problem with positive stereotyping has been discussed many times on DCUM. I don't like positive stereotypes (what you call compliments) either. I don't like it when people say things like "You Jews really value education and I admire that" or "I really like the way Jews treat their wives" or whatever stupid positive stereotype you want to throw around about Jews. Stereotyping is stereotyping. It belittles personal experience and ignores the fact that we don't act monolithically and excuses people from having to get to know other people as individuals with their own life experience. It's mindless and absurd. No, it's not anti-Semitic but it's certainly not a reflection of reality.

[takoma]

Anonymous wrote:Actually, it WOULD be a problem for me, and the problem with positive stereotyping has been discussed many times on DCUM. I don't like positive stereotypes (what you call compliments) either. I don't like it when people say things like "You Jews really value education and I admire that" or "I really like the way Jews treat their wives" or whatever stupid positive stereotype you want to throw around about Jews. Stereotyping is stereotyping. It belittles personal experience and ignores the fact that we don't act monolithically and excuses people from having to get to know other people as individuals with their own life experience. It's mindless and absurd. No, it's not anti-Semitic but it's certainly not a reflection of reality.

YES! And the same goes for Catholics, evangelicals, southerners, liberals, conservatives, and any other group that we stereotype on DCUM and in general public discourse. Our level of conversation would rise noticeably if we could self-edit those generalizations out of our comments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This isn't a Jewish thing. It's a woman's thing. Some women like to size up the competition and to compare themselves with other women. Sometimes it's done as a form of intimidation. I've seen Alpha women in every culture do this. Also, you haven't seen nothing until you see an Asian mother size up her future daughter in-law. They want to make sure are you good enough for their son or would they accept you into their family. In some cultures women would give a stare down to the new woman who is entering the family. In some Latino cultures the women would stare you up and down to determine if you're pretty or not. African American women and gay men do it too. They will give you the side eye stare in a minute. So, this is a universal thing that is practice in various cultures.

No, it is not a woman thing. All women do not do it. Some have never done it and only experience it on the occasions they meet someone from another culture.
The op was not getting married to someone and was nobodys future daughter in law. Don't try and make excuses

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This isn't a Jewish thing. It's a woman's thing. Some women like to size up the competition and to compare themselves with other women. Sometimes it's done as a form of intimidation. I've seen Alpha women in every culture do this. Also, you haven't seen nothing until you see an Asian mother size up her future daughter in-law. They want to make sure are you good enough for their son or would they accept you into their family. In some cultures women would give a stare down to the new woman who is entering the family. In some Latino cultures the women would stare you up and down to determine if you're pretty or not. African American women and gay men do it too. They will give you the side eye stare in a minute. So, this is a universal thing that is practice in various cultures.



DISAGREE. It is first a women thing then a Jewish thing. Yes Jewish women are known to do this.At my school and in my circle this is common knowledge. Not a big deal but its true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This isn't a Jewish thing. It's a woman's thing. Some women like to size up the competition and to compare themselves with other women. Sometimes it's done as a form of intimidation. I've seen Alpha women in every culture do this. Also, you haven't seen nothing until you see an Asian mother size up her future daughter in-law. They want to make sure are you good enough for their son or would they accept you into their family. In some cultures women would give a stare down to the new woman who is entering the family. In some Latino cultures the women would stare you up and down to determine if you're pretty or not. African American women and gay men do it too. They will give you the side eye stare in a minute. So, this is a universal thing that is practice in various cultures.


I am a woman and don't do it. I was raised and brought up to look at women this way (or anyone for that matter) is very rude.