anyone watching the debate right now?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:So please tell me how Obama did not vote for Breyer if he were NOT in Senate at the time? McCain clearly said "Obama voted against Breyer". Obama was not in the Senate in 1994. He could not have voted against him.


It was a slip of the tongue. Give the guy a break. (And I'm voting for Obama.)
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So please tell me how Obama did not vote for Breyer if he were NOT in Senate at the time? McCain clearly said "Obama voted against Breyer". Obama was not in the Senate in 1994. He could not have voted against him.


It was a slip of the tongue. Give the guy a break. (And I'm voting for Obama.)


I understand it was a slip of tongue and noted that. However it still shows he cannot keep facts straight. There is no room for slip of tongues at this point.
Anonymous
What McCain also mumbled was that he would not vote for a pro-choice judge as they would not fit his rigorous criteria for a pro-constitution just... as he was disputing an ideological litmus test. the guy is nuts
Anonymous
I had to start drinking a few beers to make it through the debate last night. I try very hard to go into these things with an open mind just to see if the things I actually care about are talked about and are addressed. I about laughed out loud (ok, maybe I really did) when McCain acted all hurt by the comment made by Congressman Lewis. Really??? How about all of the mean things Palin has said and CONTINUES to say about Obama just to excite her crowds? I found to be a very transparent and in my opinion failed attempt at sympathy.

Secondly, I too was very bothered with the Sarah Palin understands autism comment that he made and then repeated. I did laugh out loud when he said it for the last time because it was so out there. Yes, she has a special needs child and yes, that has to be tough but as one previous poster noted, he's what 6 months old? I don't doubt those 6 months are harder than the past 12 with my son who is not special needs but suddenly she's an expert on all things special needs? That is just outrageous.

Thirdly, the split screen definitely HURT McCain. I agree with the poster who commented on hearing and not seeing the debate. He was horrible. At one point he kept looking back and forth from Obama to the moderator to Obama to the moderator and all I could say was "pick me! pick me! pick me!" like the eager kid in the class room with his hand waving that the teacher purposely avoids calling on. To me, he should have been put in front of a mirror and shown how silly he looks and trained not to do the eye rolling and everything else he did last night.

Lastly, another prior poster commented on how someone said Obama looked presidential while McCain didn't and that it was not important to judge it that way. I disagree only in that how they compose themselves and explain their opinions and talk to another person with whom they completely disagree (and probably by now dispise) is really important in a leader. That McCain can throw jabs and roll his eyes and insist untrue statements are in fact true (DC Vouchers e.g.) while Obama sits there and smiles and takes it and then calmly explains, repudiates or just listens to the comments really will mean something in a room with Putin or Chavez or any of the other unstable world leaders our President has to meet with. Eye rolling with some of these folks will be insulting and could do far more damage diplomatically than words alone.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So please tell me how Obama did not vote for Breyer if he were NOT in Senate at the time? McCain clearly said "Obama voted against Breyer". Obama was not in the Senate in 1994. He could not have voted against him.


It was a slip of the tongue. Give the guy a break. (And I'm voting for Obama.)


I understand it was a slip of tongue and noted that. However it still shows he cannot keep facts straight. There is no room for slip of tongues at this point.


Because he meant Obama voted against Roberts and Alito? McCain's point is still the same -- it's about litmus tests for the Court. Obama had nothing to gain from pointing it out. He'd just look like nitpicker.
Anonymous
I defer to all of you who know more about the intricate details of Supreme Court judge confirmation (and therefore have a deeper understanding of the code words) but I got the impression that neither candidate answered the question directly.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I had to start drinking a few beers to make it through the debate last night. I try very hard to go into these things with an open mind just to see if the things I actually care about are talked about and are addressed. I about laughed out loud (ok, maybe I really did) when McCain acted all hurt by the comment made by Congressman Lewis. Really??? How about all of the mean things Palin has said and CONTINUES to say about Obama just to excite her crowds? I found to be a very transparent and in my opinion failed attempt at sympathy.

Secondly, I too was very bothered with the Sarah Palin understands autism comment that he made and then repeated. I did laugh out loud when he said it for the last time because it was so out there. Yes, she has a special needs child and yes, that has to be tough but as one previous poster noted, he's what 6 months old? I don't doubt those 6 months are harder than the past 12 with my son who is not special needs but suddenly she's an expert on all things special needs? That is just outrageous.

Thirdly, the split screen definitely HURT McCain. I agree with the poster who commented on hearing and not seeing the debate. He was horrible. At one point he kept looking back and forth from Obama to the moderator to Obama to the moderator and all I could say was "pick me! pick me! pick me!" like the eager kid in the class room with his hand waving that the teacher purposely avoids calling on. To me, he should have been put in front of a mirror and shown how silly he looks and trained not to do the eye rolling and everything else he did last night.

Lastly, another prior poster commented on how someone said Obama looked presidential while McCain didn't and that it was not important to judge it that way. I disagree only in that how they compose themselves and explain their opinions and talk to another person with whom they completely disagree (and probably by now dispise) is really important in a leader. That McCain can throw jabs and roll his eyes and insist untrue statements are in fact true (DC Vouchers e.g.) while Obama sits there and smiles and takes it and then calmly explains, repudiates or just listens to the comments really will mean something in a room with Putin or Chavez or any of the other unstable world leaders our President has to meet with. Eye rolling with some of these folks will be insulting and could do far more damage diplomatically than words alone.



I agree 100% with you, except that McCain's autism comment actually made me want to throw my bottle of wine at my TV. I didn;t because I don't like to waste good wine and my previous $800 TV has been destroyed by my son who is - surprise- autistic. Palin is only at the beginning of the road of raising a special needs kid, so she should just shut up and maybe listen to moms of older special needs kids who can guide her. I am by no means an expert on special needs kids, but we have dealt with a faulty school system that was not very accomodating to the needs of my son. And that's why I loved that Obama brought education up.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Obama seems very cool and relaxed and collected. McCain looks like he's had one too many redbulls tonight.

That being said, I feel McCain is a better debator (if that is even a word) tonight.


HUH?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Does John McCain think that Trig Palin is autistic? Does McCain know that Trig Palin has down syndrome, which has nothing to do with autism? Seriously?


And how does having a special needs kid for 6 months make her an expert on all special needs issues.


Actually, I believe Palin's sister has a child whom is autistic so obviously Palin has seen the struggles (and triumphs) of watching her niece/nephew (and her sister and BIL) deal with autism.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Does John McCain think that Trig Palin is autistic? Does McCain know that Trig Palin has down syndrome, which has nothing to do with autism? Seriously?


And how does having a special needs kid for 6 months make her an expert on all special needs issues.


Actually, I believe Palin's sister has a child whom is autistic so obviously Palin has seen the struggles (and triumphs) of watching her niece/nephew (and her sister and BIL) deal with autism.


Hmm, good point. Do you think McCain knew this though?
Anonymous
I thought it was interesting how Obama really danced around the Partial Ban Abortion/Born Alive talk. What a smooth talker.
Like McCain said, you really got see past his eloquent speaking skills and read between the lines.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Does John McCain think that Trig Palin is autistic? Does McCain know that Trig Palin has down syndrome, which has nothing to do with autism? Seriously?


And how does having a special needs kid for 6 months make her an expert on all special needs issues.


Actually, I believe Palin's sister has a child whom is autistic so obviously Palin has seen the struggles (and triumphs) of watching her niece/nephew (and her sister and BIL) deal with autism.


Hmm, good point. Do you think McCain knew this though?


Yes, most likely. He chose her as a candidate so I can't imagine that he didn't go over her family life with a fine tooth comb considering McCain's "new" stance on supporting families with special needs.
Anonymous
I have seen my grandmother die of diabetes, does that make me an expert on diabetes? I am sorry, I don't buy this stuff. This whole "Look at me I'm like you" crap bothers me. Since McCain is suggesting a total spending freeze, I don't see how they are gonna help me with my autistic kid at all. I'm still going to have to pay the 800 dollars for private therapy because the schools don't provide adequate therapies. and that's not going to change, unless someone makes an investment in special education.
Anonymous
Dems on this board - please enlighten me...

I don't get how Obama's "spreading the wealth" plan for health care isn't eerily similar to a socialist state.

And why penalize those of us who are successful? For most of us "wealthy" we work(ed) darn hard and long, made many sacrifices along the way, made smart lifestyle decisions, and often took two steps back to lurch 3 steps forward to become well-to-do...In fact, it's an inspiration, not something I should be penalized for.

A classic have verse have-nots debate, I suppose.
Anonymous
It's not in the interest of democracy to have too big a gulf between the "haves" and the "have nots." A strong democracy needs an educated, secure middle class. In our society, there is a widening gap between those in the upper reaches and the lower reaches -- with more and more in the middle being squeezed out.

If you look at the history of a country like the Czech Republic, say, you will see that during the era of Soviet domination, democratic impulses were kept alive by and later moved forward by the country's educated middle class.

Tax policy is hurting the middle class right now and the middle class is the bedrock of democracy.
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