EMT Certification in College for Premed?

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Anonymous wrote:What drives me nuts about EMT clinical hours is the long shifts where many times nothing is happening. My kid is a HS certified EMT and now a college student. Kid also works as a CMA. When working in a doctor’s office or hospital as a CMA, about 90-95% of work hours is truly clinical (hands on, all the time). With EMT, it can be 20% for some shifts yet every hour clocked in counts as clinical. At times, my kid has been getting sbux with another EMT or playing on the phone or sitting around talking and all count as clinical hours.

But surely you realize that your kid isn't there to be getting something out of it other than playing on their phone, they are there to do the job when it needs to be done? And if there are no calls to be working on 80% of any given shift, that is just how it is?

Of course I realize just how it is but it seems absurd that clinical hours are counted like this when much of the time is not clinical work…when they are compared to applicants doing a job where all hours listed were actual clinical hours. The idea is to have significant (time wise) clinical experience - emt hours show this but it’s not factual (compared to a cna, cma, er tech, surgical assistant, etc). And i say this as the parent of an emt (who is also a cma).

You are incorrect when you say the "idea is to have significant (time wise) clinical experience." That is not the idea. The "idea" is mere exposure to patient care. That's it. Med students will have "significant clinical experience" in third and fourth year of med school, perhaps even before.

100% incorrect. If you were correct, then shadowing would NOT be separate from clinical experience. It would all be lumped in as the idea is "exposure" to patient care. For med school admissions, they look at volunteering separate from clinical experiences separate from shadowing separate from research. Clinical experience shows that the applicant has hundreds of hours of personal hands on experience in the clinical setting.

This is why you have to filter out the garbage claimed by people who have no idea what they are talking about.

Well, I work at a medical school. But by all means, keep blathering on about how you "have to filter out the garbage claimed by people who have no idea what they are talking about." I know exactly what I'm talking about.

At any rate, shadowing a physician does not necessarily expose students to direct patient care -- imagine shadowing a radiologist or pathologist. No patient care. It's still shadowing. Shadowing a surgeon, which lots of students love to do? Probably won't meet a conscious patient let alone have to deal with one (unless you shadow them during clinic hours which no one wants to do). At any rate, exposure to human patients and exposure to the health care system and what it means to work in it is what pre-application clinical hours are about. So that applicants understand what caring for other humans is like, and see that it requires some empathy. They don't need to know any real medicine before they get to med school, and to the extent that they do they sometimes have to unlearn it. We give them plenty of "hands on experience in the clinical setting" once they get here. Many, many hours of it. The clinical hours they amass for applications just show they have some vague exposure to what they are getting into, and that they didn't respond to it with "oh, hell no."

You could shadow a pediatrician for 900 hours. It does not turn it into clinical hours. They are listed as shadowing hours.

Tell you what. Since you're clearly lying: name the medical school and department you work at and I will call admissions and ask them if one has tons of shadowing hours of an internist or pediatrician if that is fine even if there are low/no clinical hours for admissions because... - and then I'll quote what you said above and refer them to your department where you work as the source of this information.

Can you read? What on earth makes you think I said shadowing is fine for clinical hours? I said the opposite. I specifically said shadowing does not necessarily even expose a student to direct patient care at all. Your reading comprehension is incredibly poor.

School and department you work in plz

What is wrong with you? Seriously? I work in the DMV. End of story.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They are mostly picking up and dropping off

Do you live in Mayberry? Over four years here is what our EMT child dealt with as an EMT:

Stab wounds
GSWs
Amputations
Crush injuries
Full body burns
Suicide attempts and successes
Horrific MVAs
Child abuse
Elder abuse
Medevac
TBIs
So many overdoses

I guess it depends where you work.

I think it is one person with a chip on their shoulder - dated an EMT who dumped them or something. My kid's experience has been similar to yours. They wouldn't trade it for anything.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They are mostly picking up and dropping off

Do you live in Mayberry? Over four years here is what our EMT child dealt with as an EMT:

Stab wounds
GSWs
Amputations
Crush injuries
Full body burns
Suicide attempts and successes
Horrific MVAs
Child abuse
Elder abuse
Medevac
TBIs
So many overdoses

I guess it depends where you work.

That's why I came to the conclusion that these folks are talking about hospital based or private ambulances, not ones that get called out for emergencies. These are the stats for the calls received.

https://www.usfa.fema.gov/statistics/reports/firefighters-departments/fire-department-run-profile-v22i1.html

That was my thought too, thinking about private ambulance companies that do transport. I had to stop reading as the responses were annoying and a bit offensive. Mine has also been exposed to all of those in both a rural location and a city location job. They’ve helped save lives and been exposed to things I can’t even fathom at a young age.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are mostly picking up and dropping off

Do you live in Mayberry? Over four years here is what our EMT child dealt with as an EMT:

Stab wounds
GSWs
Amputations
Crush injuries
Full body burns
Suicide attempts and successes
Horrific MVAs
Child abuse
Elder abuse
Medevac
TBIs
So many overdoses

I guess it depends where you work.

I think it is one person with a chip on their shoulder - dated an EMT who dumped them or something. My kid's experience has been similar to yours. They wouldn't trade it for anything.

I think it’s someone whose child chose to be a CNA instead of an EMT and now… goes on online fora (how’d ya like that plural?!) and criticize students who gain their clinical hours this way. Bugs them that med schools prefer that type of experience is my guess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are mostly picking up and dropping off

Do you live in Mayberry? Over four years here is what our EMT child dealt with as an EMT:

Stab wounds
GSWs
Amputations
Crush injuries
Full body burns
Suicide attempts and successes
Horrific MVAs
Child abuse
Elder abuse
Medevac
TBIs
So many overdoses

I guess it depends where you work.

That's why I came to the conclusion that these folks are talking about hospital based or private ambulances, not ones that get called out for emergencies. These are the stats for the calls received.

https://www.usfa.fema.gov/statistics/reports/firefighters-departments/fire-department-run-profile-v22i1.html

That was my thought too, thinking about private ambulance companies that do transport. I had to stop reading as the responses were annoying and a bit offensive. Mine has also been exposed to all of those in both a rural location and a city location job. They’ve helped save lives and been exposed to things I can’t even fathom at a young age.

BLS/ALS responses to emergent calls are a totally different animal compared to IFT.

Ms. Shoulder Chip should quit while she’s only marginally exposed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are mostly picking up and dropping off

Do you live in Mayberry? Over four years here is what our EMT child dealt with as an EMT:

Stab wounds
GSWs
Amputations
Crush injuries
Full body burns
Suicide attempts and successes
Horrific MVAs
Child abuse
Elder abuse
Medevac
TBIs
So many overdoses

I guess it depends where you work.

Yes, and the care and interventions the EMTs actually are able to give is very limited. They are still mostly picking up and dropping off- regardless of injury. Their ultimate goal is to get you to hospital as quickly as possible, not save you in the back of a vehicle- they cannot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: not save you in the back of a vehicle- they cannot.

Under what rock have you been living?
A patient receiving life-saving care in an ambulance is, thankfully, fairly common.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are mostly picking up and dropping off

Do you live in Mayberry? Over four years here is what our EMT child dealt with as an EMT:

Stab wounds
GSWs
Amputations
Crush injuries
Full body burns
Suicide attempts and successes
Horrific MVAs
Child abuse
Elder abuse
Medevac
TBIs
So many overdoses

I guess it depends where you work.

Yes, and the care and interventions the EMTs actually are able to give is very limited. They are still mostly picking up and dropping off- regardless of injury. Their ultimate goal is to get you to hospital as quickly as possible, not save you in the back of a vehicle- they cannot.

It’s both and sometimes time isn’t on a patient’s side. What a weird thing to discredit. There are far more mundane clinical opportunities, but I don’t discredit those as all are a part of the system and each play a role.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are mostly picking up and dropping off

Do you live in Mayberry? Over four years here is what our EMT child dealt with as an EMT:

Stab wounds
GSWs
Amputations
Crush injuries
Full body burns
Suicide attempts and successes
Horrific MVAs
Child abuse
Elder abuse
Medevac
TBIs
So many overdoses

I guess it depends where you work.

Yes, and the care and interventions the EMTs actually are able to give is very limited. They are still mostly picking up and dropping off- regardless of injury. Their ultimate goal is to get you to hospital as quickly as possible, not save you in the back of a vehicle- they cannot.

It’s both and sometimes time isn’t on a patient’s side. What a weird thing to discredit. There are far more mundane clinical opportunities, but I don’t discredit those as all are a part of the system and each play a role.

They absolutely play an important role. But it isn’t some amazing pre-med clinical experience.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are mostly picking up and dropping off

Do you live in Mayberry? Over four years here is what our EMT child dealt with as an EMT:

Stab wounds
GSWs
Amputations
Crush injuries
Full body burns
Suicide attempts and successes
Horrific MVAs
Child abuse
Elder abuse
Medevac
TBIs
So many overdoses

I guess it depends where you work.

Yes, and the care and interventions the EMTs actually are able to give is very limited. They are still mostly picking up and dropping off- regardless of injury. Their ultimate goal is to get you to hospital as quickly as possible, not save you in the back of a vehicle- they cannot.

It’s both and sometimes time isn’t on a patient’s side. What a weird thing to discredit. There are far more mundane clinical opportunities, but I don’t discredit those as all are a part of the system and each play a role.

They absolutely play an important role. But it isn’t some amazing pre-med clinical experience.

So in your opinion, what fits into the category of "some amazing pre-med clinical experience"?

[Anonymous]

My 18 year old EMT had to respond to a gunshot wound.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are mostly picking up and dropping off

Do you live in Mayberry? Over four years here is what our EMT child dealt with as an EMT:

Stab wounds
GSWs
Amputations
Crush injuries
Full body burns
Suicide attempts and successes
Horrific MVAs
Child abuse
Elder abuse
Medevac
TBIs
So many overdoses

I guess it depends where you work.

Yes, and the care and interventions the EMTs actually are able to give is very limited. They are still mostly picking up and dropping off- regardless of injury. Their ultimate goal is to get you to hospital as quickly as possible, not save you in the back of a vehicle- they cannot.

It’s both and sometimes time isn’t on a patient’s side. What a weird thing to discredit. There are far more mundane clinical opportunities, but I don’t discredit those as all are a part of the system and each play a role.

They absolutely play an important role. But it isn’t some amazing pre-med clinical experience.

So in your opinion, what fits into the category of "some amazing pre-med clinical experience"?

The troll won’t be able to answer that one. 😉

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My 18 year old EMT had to respond to a gunshot wound.

In 10 hours of working, how much is he sitting at the station on avg?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My 18 year old EMT had to respond to a gunshot wound.

In 10 hours of working, how much is he sitting at the station on avg?

My kid does 12 hours shifts, and sometimes they are sitting around as much as 4-6 hours. The rest of the time they are leading a team of responders and have primary care responsibility for patients, something a CNA or MA will never even dream of having. So it is pretty cool.

[Anonymous]

Our nurse/paramedic daughter gets frustrated with residents who struggle to intubate patients in a perfectly lit, sterile, temperature controlled environment.