New Yorker article about Andrew Tate

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Anonymous wrote:A boy beat up a girl at my kid’s school, and a bunch of moms jumped in to defend the boy and cheer each other on while they defended the violence and made excuses for it. The problem of Andrew Tate and misogyny extends way farther than just men and boys.

While this is true as a general matter, in this particular instance an entire ecosystem composed primarily of MEN protected these guys, starting with the British police who botched the investigations into the first rape allegations against them, to the corrupt Romanian police who looked the other way, to the Romanian prosecutors who are now perpetually investigating, to the American politicians who support the “manosphere.”

There are definitely women who supported these guys and inexplicably still do, but the people in charge of the institutions that failed here over and over again are MEN.

So it’s not the transgenders?

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Anonymous wrote:The New Yorker is clickbait for left wing people, focusing on the extremes while ignoring the extremes on the other end. I wouldn't pay much attention to it. The disconnection between publications like the New Yorker and NYT and the real world is astonishing. I'm out and about every day, see the kids and teens and college kids in my neighborhood all the time, and things are more fine than not.

WTF does this have to do with anything?

Because of what OP said, not such much the New Yorker (which is agony aunt clickbait for left wing neurosis): I found this to be so bleak and depressing. Reading it left me feeling hopeless about the possibility of decent and genuine relations between men and women. And frightened by the idea that men that I work with and know socially share any part of the worldview that Tate has sold and that has been embraced by powerful political figures in the US. What can be done to combat this toxic outlook, hold these men accountable for the harm they have perpetrated, and create something better for the young people who think that this guy’s messages are worth following (and paying for)??

My advice to OP: turn off media, go outside, meet real people, your neighbors and local communities and institutions. There will always be followers of Anthony Tate and Hakan Piker and suchlike. The vast majority aren't.

DP. I’m not nearly concerned about how many followers he might have as that he keeps getting away with heinous crimes, in part because our government is helping him. I’m sick of powerful men repeatedly doing horrible things to women—including minors—and facing zero consequences. Truly, what is wrong with you if you attempt to defend these monsters?

I am OP. Introducing Hakan (sic) Piker’s name into this discussion is a total non sequiter and an indication that your response is not in good faith.

The article gives many examples of the reach and influence of Tate. Of course, not all men (or boys). But there is no question that in the personal and political realms, there has been a sharp increase in misogyny and more open acceptance of hateful and violent rhetoric about women. I don’t think that “touch grass” or its equivalent is the correct response to that.

You're confusing cause and effect. I don't think the Tate brothers are a cause, but rather one of the results from the general increase in misogyny.

DP. You think a general increase in misogyny just comes about organically?

The Tate brothers aren't the root casue for the increase.

What do you think is the cause? (Or causes.)

Dilution of women as a protected class. Certain parties want you to believe there is no difference between men and women. I assure that there are physical and systemic structural differences that make biological women vulnerable.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-56399862

Or course bigots would try to blame the increase in misogyny on transgender people.

GTFO, bigot.

Read the article. I can't help your knee jerk reaction to reality.

DP. I just read the entire BBC article and I’m not sure what your point is. Are you saying that Andrew Tate would not be emboldened to encourage his followers to rape, choke, abuse, batter and traffic women (or to do all those things himself) if violence against women was classified as a hate crime?

The US can't enforce our laws in foreign countries. If his followers decide to go through with attacks on women, there needs to be additional hate charges. If someone attacks someone specifically because of their race, it's a hate crime. Women are targeted specifically because biological women are known to be physically weaker. These people don't attack biological men, despite being universally misanthropes.

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Andrew Tate started out as a kickboxer. Is it likely that young 20 something guys who are into kickboxing are also into the types of beliefs the Tate brothers practice?

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Anonymous wrote:The US can't enforce our laws in foreign countries.

If the victim is under age 18 though, U.S. Federal Law On The Extraterritorial Sexual Exploitation Of Children applies, and has extraterritorial jurisdiction.

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I wonder if this will be another case of "trafficking" like Vince McMahon?

Regardless, anyone who is at least GenX age should know that toxic masculinity was 10x worse back in the day.

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In 2024, as the U.S. election approached, Tate pinned his hopes on Donald Trump. Barron Trump had been tasked with reaching a young male audience, and Tate intended to help him deliver. Justin Waller, a close associate who has called himself the Tates’ “third brother,” agreed to be the intermediary.

In April, Waller secured an invitation to Mar-a-Lago and began courting Barron. He offered dating advice and introduced him to a tailor, who made the suit that Barron wore to his father’s second Inauguration. During the fitting, Waller later said, Barron spoke with Tate over Zoom.

That summer, after the assassination attempt on Trump in Pennsylvania, Tate said that he had spoken to Barron again. “I’m very close with the Trump family,” he said. He and Donald Trump, Jr., also appeared on a live stream to promote a MAGA meme coin. “You’ve got people attacking you, as far as I’m concerned,” Trump, Jr., said.
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Wonder what Barron's mom thinks about this?

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Andrew has a hair transplant, a recessive chin like Ivanka, and a non existent jawline.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if this will be another case of "trafficking" like Vince McMahon?

Regardless, anyone who is at least GenX age should know that toxic masculinity was 10x worse back in the day.

You obviously didn't read the article.

This women are routinely raped and strangled, and if they want out--surprise--they make piles of money for the brothers but don't see any of it. TheTates control where they live, where they go, who they associate with. The Florida woman who managed to escape has endured constant harassment, death threats, and legal intimidation from these guys. Their lawyers include guys who defended Jan 6ers.


Seems like links between these guys and the right deserves as much scrutiny as the Epstein files.

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Anonymous wrote:The New Yorker is clickbait for left wing people, focusing on the extremes while ignoring the extremes on the other end. I wouldn't pay much attention to it. The disconnection between publications like the New Yorker and NYT and the real world is astonishing. I'm out and about every day, see the kids and teens and college kids in my neighborhood all the time, and things are more fine than not.

WTF does this have to do with anything?

Because of what OP said, not such much the New Yorker (which is agony aunt clickbait for left wing neurosis): I found this to be so bleak and depressing. Reading it left me feeling hopeless about the possibility of decent and genuine relations between men and women. And frightened by the idea that men that I work with and know socially share any part of the worldview that Tate has sold and that has been embraced by powerful political figures in the US. What can be done to combat this toxic outlook, hold these men accountable for the harm they have perpetrated, and create something better for the young people who think that this guy’s messages are worth following (and paying for)??

My advice to OP: turn off media, go outside, meet real people, your neighbors and local communities and institutions. There will always be followers of Anthony Tate and Hakan Piker and suchlike. The vast majority aren't.

DP. I’m not nearly concerned about how many followers he might have as that he keeps getting away with heinous crimes, in part because our government is helping him. I’m sick of powerful men repeatedly doing horrible things to women—including minors—and facing zero consequences. Truly, what is wrong with you if you attempt to defend these monsters?

I am OP. Introducing Hakan (sic) Piker’s name into this discussion is a total non sequiter and an indication that your response is not in good faith.

The article gives many examples of the reach and influence of Tate. Of course, not all men (or boys). But there is no question that in the personal and political realms, there has been a sharp increase in misogyny and more open acceptance of hateful and violent rhetoric about women. I don’t think that “touch grass” or its equivalent is the correct response to that.

You're confusing cause and effect. I don't think the Tate brothers are a cause, but rather one of the results from the general increase in misogyny.

DP. You think a general increase in misogyny just comes about organically?

The Tate brothers aren't the root casue for the increase.

What do you think is the cause? (Or causes.)

Dilution of women as a protected class. Certain parties want you to believe there is no difference between men and women. I assure that there are physical and systemic structural differences that make biological women vulnerable.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-56399862

Or course bigots would try to blame the increase in misogyny on transgender people.

GTFO, bigot.

Read the article. I can't help your knee jerk reaction to reality.

DP. I just read the entire BBC article and I’m not sure what your point is. Are you saying that Andrew Tate would not be emboldened to encourage his followers to rape, choke, abuse, batter and traffic women (or to do all those things himself) if violence against women was classified as a hate crime?

The US can't enforce our laws in foreign countries. If his followers decide to go through with attacks on women, there needs to be additional hate charges. If someone attacks someone specifically because of their race, it's a hate crime. Women are targeted specifically because biological women are known to be physically weaker. These people don't attack biological men, despite being universally misanthropes.

The US certainly can use influence to pressure other countries to enforce THEIR OWN laws. In this case, the US did exactly the opposite.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if this will be another case of "trafficking" like Vince McMahon?

Regardless, anyone who is at least GenX age should know that toxic masculinity was 10x worse back in the day.

I’m not familiar, did Vince McMahon rape, suffocate, and traffic 13-15 year olds to foreign countries?

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if this will be another case of "trafficking" like Vince McMahon?

Regardless, anyone who is at least GenX age should know that toxic masculinity was 10x worse back in the day.

I’m not familiar, did Vince McMahon rape, suffocate, and traffic 13-15 year olds to foreign countries?

No, he was basically a sugar daddy and made the mistake of putting his sugar baby on the payroll. But if you read some of the "news" articles, he was accused of all sorts of things, to include trafficking.

Who knows if this article is even accurate?

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I found this to be so bleak and depressing. Reading it left me feeling hopeless about the possibility of decent and genuine relations between men and women. And frightened by the idea that men that I work with and know socially share any part of the worldview that Tate has sold and that has been embraced by powerful political figures in the US. What can be done to combat this toxic outlook, hold these men accountable for the harm they have perpetrated, and create something better for the young people who think that this guy’s messages are worth following (and paying for)??

well-parents can start parenting their kids for a start? Jewish people have held onto their faith and cultural customs 2000 years in exile, being a minority. you have to teach your kids to hew closely to their own identity and give them an understanding of the world starting in toddlerhood. you give your kids a strong point of view- you monitor the kinds of messaging they are getting as elementary age kids b/c once they are 13- its done, they have no interest in listening to anything you say- they might be polite about it, guilted, even know you are correct but if it is not a value that they share with you- they wont live by them. you have 13 years to instill your values, make the most of of them.

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Anonymous wrote:The New Yorker is clickbait for left wing people, focusing on the extremes while ignoring the extremes on the other end. I wouldn't pay much attention to it. The disconnection between publications like the New Yorker and NYT and the real world is astonishing. I'm out and about every day, see the kids and teens and college kids in my neighborhood all the time, and things are more fine than not.

The thing is, this misogyny is not “extreme”. It is everywhere. It is not visible all of the time, but it is absolutely always there. That “fine” group of young kids in your neighborhood probably also contains a future rapist and his friends that don’t call him out, it may have a guy who refuses to hire or promote women because he doesn’t like to listen to them talk at work, or probably a guy who treats his wife like a servant… but you’ll never hear them say anything as overt as Tate because that’s not acceptable in their circles, but they still hate women.
Misogyny is the greatest plague on humanity.

Misogny is definitely a problem, but the coverage of the Tate brothers exists because of the extreme nature of their actions and messages.

I don't think the Tate brothers represent the average white male.

also isn't Andrew Tate Muslim?? what does his worldview have to do with MAGA?? he's like a hairless ISIS troll- truly. they also tried to resurrect slavery, harems & he believes in that too

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Anonymous wrote:The New Yorker is clickbait for left wing people, focusing on the extremes while ignoring the extremes on the other end. I wouldn't pay much attention to it. The disconnection between publications like the New Yorker and NYT and the real world is astonishing. I'm out and about every day, see the kids and teens and college kids in my neighborhood all the time, and things are more fine than not.

The thing is, this misogyny is not “extreme”. It is everywhere. It is not visible all of the time, but it is absolutely always there. That “fine” group of young kids in your neighborhood probably also contains a future rapist and his friends that don’t call him out, it may have a guy who refuses to hire or promote women because he doesn’t like to listen to them talk at work, or probably a guy who treats his wife like a servant… but you’ll never hear them say anything as overt as Tate because that’s not acceptable in their circles, but they still hate women.
Misogyny is the greatest plague on humanity.

Misogny is definitely a problem, but the coverage of the Tate brothers exists because of the extreme nature of their actions and messages.

I don't think the Tate brothers represent the average white male.

also isn't Andrew Tate Muslim?? what does his worldview have to do with MAGA?? he's like a hairless ISIS troll- truly. they also tried to resurrect slavery, harems & he believes in that too

The similar vibe is hate and power.

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As an athiest it's easy to see how the Muslim world has influenced so many Christians. Many christian MAGA have been overseas in Muslim countries due to our involvement in ongoing wars there. Having the understanding that behind all of these religions is just human desires and need for feeling safe, it is not a huge jump to understand how one religion can influence another. All of these religions are just groups of people advertising how people can get their desires met.